JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[houshanghai]

referring to this news ,bro?

yes.this is the same infsactually ,this article is a offcial "baguwen"( very difficult to perceive and too many implicit sentence) If you are a chinese, you do not necessarily clear the means of this "baguwen" article.

 

[SQ8]

Yes, that refers to the status of selected missile,SIM means simulation mode (used during A-A training), the other modes are ready (RDY), mal-function (MAL) and safe (SAF).


Yes, we can expect those schemes in upcoming blocks in next 5-7 years.

I believe it would be better if we stick to a single common scheme for all our jets..
a more moderate version of our F-16 scheme seems to be a good option.

 

[ziaulislam]

TODAY,Chinese aviation fan very happy to hear this good news that JFT will have (two-seater )version soon.so they made a CG of JFT (two-seater) and posted it in cdf.

they seem to have added two extra hard pints in this image..
whats the speculation are any new hard points being added to jf-17 block 2

if i am not wrong jf-17 can carry max of 4 sd-10s ..but can a missle (a2a) be carried in central hardpoint(which will mean it can carry 5) or is it just reserved for heavy ammunition /fuel tank?
can it support multiple racks on each hard point..? if yes.how many missles(a2A) can carried on each?

 

[muse]

2 seats, 2 extra hard point - and yet not just one more engine ??

 

[houshanghai]

they seem to have added two extra hard pints in this image..
whats the speculation are any new hard points being added to jf-17 block 2

if i am not wrong jf-17 can carry max of 4 sd-10s ..but can a missle (a2a) be carried in central hardpoint(which will mean it can carry 5) or is it just reserved for heavy ammunition /fuel tank?
can it support multiple racks on each hard point..? if yes.how many missles(a2A) can carried on each?

this CG is only a imagnation from Cders and for your reference only. but there is the plan to increase the thrust of JFT's engine by the rumor.

2 seats, 2 extra hard point - and yet not just one more engine ??

an old interview with sino-pak JFT project AVIC Manager LiPei and she talked about that there is the plan to increase the thrust of JFT's engine.

original Chinese part

JFT配装的RD-93发动机
的推力为81.3千牛，中方正
在与供应商开展合作，目标是
将发动机推力提升到91.1干
牛．此外，中方还计划为增推
后的发动机加装矢最喷管，以
增强飞机的机动性．JFT
目前采用的是”新飞机+成熟
发动机’的组台，有利于缩短
飞机研制周期·未来JFT
发展成熟后，如果有了台适的
国产发动机，也可选择安装，
到时“成熟飞机+新发动机”
的组合也更容易让客户接受。
提升飞机的载荷能力。
目前JFT的外挂能力是3_6
吨，下一步计划提升到5-6
吨，从而使其作战能力大为
提升。具体手段除了发动机
增推外，还包括机翼结构和
起落架的加强，以及其他一
系列的相关改进。
据李培介绍，除在以上
三个主要改进内容之外，根据
客户的需求，。密龙”增加空
中加油能力和发展双座型的
改进改型工作也已经列入了
计划。针对双座型的发展需求，
李培解释说，除了培训飞行员
外，随着JFT未来实现载
荷能力的提升，可以承担更多
的对地攻击任务，尤其是在夜
间对地面目标实施精确打击·
在这类任务中，一个飞行员的
精力是不够的，需要增加专门
的武器操作员，
google translate
JFT installs the RD-93 engine thrust force is 81.3 KN, Chinese side is carrying out the cooperation with the supplier, the goal is promotes the motor power to 91.1 KN. In addition, the Chinese side also plans after increasing pushes the engine addition TVC nozzle, what strengthens airplane's maneuverability .JFT by present to use is” new airplane + mature engine ' group , is advantageous after reducing airplane development cycle · future JFT will develop maturely, if had suitable the domestic product engine, may also choose the installment, “the mature airplane + new engine” the combination is also at the appointed time easier to let the customer accept. Promotes airplane's loading capacity.the present JFT external ability is 3.6 ton, the next step plan promotes to 5~6 ton, thus causes its operational capacity is greatly the promotion. The concrete method increases besides engine pushes, but also includes the wing structure and landing gear's enhancement, as well as other series related improvement. According to Li Pei said that except in above outside three main improvement contents, according to customer demand. The dense dragon” increased in spatial to refuel ability and development two-seated version the improvement modification work already had also included the plan. In view of the two-seated version development demand, Li Pei explained that besides trained pilot , will realize in the future along with JFT carries the Holland ability the promotion, might undertake more to the place strike mission, particularly in night of to ground object implementation precise attack · in this kind of duty, pilot's the energy was insufficient, needed to increase specially the weapon operator.

 

[alimobin memon]

that proves increase in payload

 

[ziaulislam]

this CG is only a imagnation from Cders and for your reference only. but there is the plan to increase the thrust of JFT's engine by the rumor.





an old interview with sino-pak JFT project AVIC Manager LiPei and she talked about that there is the plan to increase the thrust of JFT's engine.

original Chinese part

JFT配装的RD-93发动机
的推力为81.3千牛,中方正
在与供应商开展合作,目标是
将发动机推力提升到91.1干
牛.此外,中方还计划为增推
后的发动机加装矢最喷管,以
增强飞机的机动性.JFT
目前采用的是”新飞机+成熟
发动机’的组台,有利于缩短
飞机研制周期·未来JFT
发展成熟后,如果有了台适的
国产发动机,也可选择安装,
到时“成熟飞机+新发动机”
的组合也更容易让客户接受。
提升飞机的载荷能力。
目前JFT的外挂能力是3_6
吨,下一步计划提升到5-6
吨,从而使其作战能力大为
提升。具体手段除了发动机
增推外,还包括机翼结构和
起落架的加强,以及其他一
系列的相关改进。
据李培介绍,除在以上
三个主要改进内容之外,根据
客户的需求,。密龙”增加空
中加油能力和发展双座型的
改进改型工作也已经列入了
计划。针对双座型的发展需求,
李培解释说,除了培训飞行员
外,随着JFT未来实现载
荷能力的提升,可以承担更多
的对地攻击任务,尤其是在夜
间对地面目标实施精确打击·
在这类任务中,一个飞行员的
精力是不够的,需要增加专门
的武器操作员,
google translate
JFT installs the RD-93 engine thrust force is 81.3 KN, Chinese side is carrying out the cooperation with the supplier, the goal is promotes the motor power to 91.1 KN. In addition, the Chinese side also plans after increasing pushes the engine addition TVC nozzle, what strengthens airplane's maneuverability .JFT by present to use is” new airplane + mature engine ' group , is advantageous after reducing airplane development cycle · future JFT will develop maturely, if had suitable the domestic product engine, may also choose the installment, “the mature airplane + new engine” the combination is also at the appointed time easier to let the customer accept. Promotes airplane's loading capacity.the present JFT external ability is 3.6 ton, the next step plan promotes to 5~6 ton, thus causes its operational capacity is greatly the promotion. The concrete method increases besides engine pushes, but also includes the wing structure and landing gear's enhancement, as well as other series related improvement. According to Li Pei said that except in above outside three main improvement contents, according to customer demand. The dense dragon” increased in spatial to refuel ability and development two-seated version the improvement modification work already had also included the plan. In view of the two-seated version development demand, Li Pei explained that besides trained pilot , will realize in the future along with JFT carries the Holland ability the promotion, might undertake more to the place strike mission, particularly in night of to ground object implementation precise attack · in this kind of duty, pilot's the energy was insufficient, needed to increase specially the weapon operator.

i am one of those who think that the 86 kn thrust isnt that bad (considering the thrust of lca,gripen and mirages 2000 early ones)
but it does lacks in hard points i think atleast 9 should have been there..
PAF would like an aircraft to carry as much as A2A ammunition as it can as basic threat will be to deny indian superiority

a rd 33 costs around 1.5 million an engine even closest to this performance costs atleast 8 million..let alone a better engine..so we dont have any other option other than ws-13 i guess

 

[Patriot]

JF-17 Bock 2 should have a better radar and more hard point so it can act as a bvr fighter launching multiple missiles at long ranges.

 

[Imran Khan]

2 seats, 2 extra hard point - and yet not just one more engine ??

2 engines mean change all fuselage of jf-17 and they can not ...........................be happy with this sir .

 

[muse]

Yes, plus the MKII is the final iteration of the JF17

 

[Tempest II]

i am one of those who think that the 86 kn thrust isnt that bad

RD-93 = 96kN

 

[jamal18]

I believe an extra engine is a massive alteration of the aircraft.

Not technically or financially easy.

 

[houshanghai]

google translate the whole interview


"Fierce Dragon" Development and Future - An Interview with the development of aviation products, CATIC Minister Li Pei print subscription refresh

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Introduction: March 7, China and Pakistan signed a U.S. $ 1 billion of 42 production contract awarded Xiaolong, marking the history of Chinese aviation industry's largest single export order of birth of the military trade, but also Xiaolong fighter again much industry attention both inside and outside the star. On the latest progress of the project Xiaolong, Xiaolong aircraft, future improvements and other issues, correspondents interviewed project director Xiaolong Assistant General Manager of CATIC, Aviation Minister Li Pei product development. Pei said the research by Xiaolong, China's development model to achieve innovation in military aircraft, and received a lot of useful experience. Xiaolong fighter in the avionics, engines, payload capacity and other aspects for further improvement, and CATIC Xiaolong fighter is striving to export to more countries and latest projects
Xiaolong project's origins can be traced back to the 1980s, the Sino-Pakistani cooperation Chao Qi project, the project aims to develop a successor to J-7, after the U.S. sanctions and blockade against China and abortion. But as the lead unit of CATIC and the Chinese did not give up the Chao Qi projects, has been promoting the development of related technologies, and maintain contact with the Pakistan Air Force. After a series of consultations, China and Pakistan on June 28, 1999 signed a formal co-development projects Chao Qi, the two sides decided in accordance with 50/100 50/100 ratio of the joint venture to develop a new light aircraft, established by China to help Pakistan from its own aviation industry. Rebirth Chao Qi has been given a more famous name Xiaolong.
According to Pei, from the 1999 signing date, Xiaolong project has gone through 10 years can be divided into three stages.
The first stage is the development stage of development. This phase began in 1999, and now there is no final end. Xiaolong recently conducted a non-guided weapons separation test, which is relatively large in the development stage of a node; next to non-precision guided weapons hit the target again. According to the plan, Xiaolong project will be completed this year for the development phase, the shape of aircraft identification. The second stage is the small batch production. The end of 2006, China and Pakistan signed a 8 Xiaolong fighter small batch production contract; 2007 China delivered the first two aircraft, the remaining six in March 2008 to complete the delivery. Up to now, these aircraft have completed 800 hours in Pakistan, more than 1,200 landing flight.
Pei said, as a leader in the delivery of users during the development of small batch production, 8 Xiaolong in Pakistan during use to maintain the integrity of the rate of about 70/100, which is a new model can be described as commendable. The purpose of leadership is to enable the delivery of the aircraft as much as possible during the trial revealed the reliability, maintenance, parts quality, design flaws and other issues, so that these problems can be solved in the batch phase.
The third stage is the batch phase. March 7, 2009, China and Pakistan in Islamabad signed a package of batch production Xiaolong fighter contract. The contract includes three aspects: First, from 2009 to 2012, China will be the Pakistan Air Force to deliver 42 Xiaolong; Second, China and Pakistan cooperation Xiaolong body's production of which 40 final assembly and flight test in Pakistan, assembly by the Pakistan Air Consortium (PAC) to bear; Third China and Pakistan co-production of four avionics.
Pei stressed that the sales contract is not just the Chinese aircraft, including the extent of technology transfer, reflecting the joint investment cooperation, the principle of revenue sharing. China plans to be completed in three years the delivery of 42 aircraft parts, and Palestinian side in three and a half years to complete the production of these aircraft deliveries. Through the production of the 42 aircraft will be able to help Pakistan build more advanced aviation manufacturing system, through the entire Xiaolong project, Pakistan will have a quasi-three generations of fighter aircraft manufacturing capability. According to plan, Pakistan will be equipped with a total of about 150 Xiaolong, in addition to eight-and small batch production batch of the first 42 production, but in the next 10 years, China and Pakistan also signed a 100-aircraft production contract awarded
Speaking of the latest development, Pei said China is now actively engaged Xiaolong and guided weapons systems integration, plans to complete this work next year, so Xiaolong with BVR attack capability and ground and sea precision strike capability.
Greatly expand the market
A fighter type of development is successful, on the one hand is the aircraft itself is a mature technology, the other is whether by its own air force. As the participating countries, Pakistan has begun to equip Xiaolong, Xiaolong so as to develop a broader foundation for foreign markets. In market development, Pei said, CATIC has done a lot of promotion work, some potential users have shown great interest. It is estimated that Xiaolong worldwide sales of more than 500. For the market issues, Pei said, adding that Xiaolong main target market for Asia, Africa and South America and other countries; because although the price Xiaolong has a strong competitive edge, but not very cheap, has exceeded China Some military aircraft affordability of traditional user countries.
It is understood, Xiaolong in the international market's main rival is the American F-16 fighters, especially the large number of second-hand F-16. From the plane is on the overall operational efficiency, Xiaolong and F-16A / B is roughly equal, which slightly stronger than the latter air combat capability, and ground attack capability is weaker than the latter (mainly external capacity is relatively small). It is worth mentioning that Xiaolong avionics level and F-16C / D Block50 batch fairly.
The United States recently released fiscal year 2010 defense budget, will be discontinued in order to speed up the F-22 F-35 procurement, would inevitably lead to a large number of second-hand F-16 advance into the market, international sales Xiaolong the formation of a negative impact. In this regard, Pei said, F-16 is a technically very sophisticated models, and has been on the market in the world arms trade has made a huge commercial success, coupled with the U.S. foreign military sales have a strong political intention, for some countries is almost sold the delivery, so a large number of second-hand F-16 to enter the market impact of Xiaolong is obvious. But he stressed that Xiaolong also has its own competitive advantage.
U.S. exports of fighter BVR attack capability is very limited, very little export from the AIM-120 air to air missiles in, even if agreed to exports generally require AIM-120 will usually be stored in the United States, war was shipped to customers . In China, Xiaolong aircraft and weapons to carry out the sale will not take a similar approach in the national export license under the guidance of sales in accordance with international practices, to ensure that the interests of users. So BVR attack capability, Xiaolong the F-16 has a strong competitive edge.
According to reports, in addition to the range air to air missiles, with Xiaolong supporting export-guided weapons, including missiles, air to air combat, air-surface missiles, laser-guided bombs, anti-radiation missiles and guided glide bombs. In addition, Xiaolong 1760 with a bus system in line with the U.S. military target, using a standard plug-in management, can be easily integrated with a variety of weapons phase. Subsequent improvement plan
On follow-up to improve Xiaolong, according to Pei describes the future will be mainly in three aspects.
Improved avionics system, mainly in radar and sensors, electronic warfare, and the data chain. Limited by body size, Xiaolong currently have a simple data link functions, the types of electronic warfare equipment is also relatively small (including self-protection radar warning devices and pods, etc.). Future operational environment for the avionics equipment requirements will be increasingly high, as China's avionics development, and manufacturing capacity development, related equipment in the performance will be accompanied by miniaturization, which can make Xiaolong avionics equipment levels have been significantly improved.
Improved engine thrust. Xiaolong now equipped with the RD-93 engine thrust of 81.3 kN, China is cooperating with the suppliers, the goal is to upgrade to 91.1 kN thrust. In addition, China also plans to increase the engine after the installation of push-vectoring nozzle, to improve aircraft maneuverability. Xiaolong aircraft currently uses a sophisticated new engine combination, will help shorten the aircraft development cycle; Xiaolong future development of mature, if they have a suitable domestic engine, can also choose to install the new engine aircraft when a combination of mature and more easy for customers to accept.
Enhance the aircraft's payload capacity. Xiaolong current capacity is 3.6 tons of plug-in, the next step plan to raise to 5 to 6 tons, making it significantly enhance combat capability. In addition to the engine by pushing specific means, but also include the strengthening of the wing structure and landing gear, and a host of other improvements.
According to Pei introduction, more than three major improvements in content, according to customer demand, Xiaolong increase the development of air refueling capability and improved two-seat modification work has been included in the plan. Reasons for the development of two-seat, Pei explained that, in addition to training pilots, the load with the ability to achieve future Xiaolong upgrade, you can take on more ground attack missions, especially at night precision strikes on ground targets, a pilot effort is not enough, need to increase the special weapons operator. Xiaolong project experience
Xiaolong project has been launched 10 years, Pei believes that through the project gained valuable experience is mainly reflected in two aspects.
On the one hand, Xiaolong project to China's military aviation industry trade patterns and the development of model military aircraft have brought a qualitative change. Xiaolong aircraft development has a very strong target, the tactical and technical index is entirely based on its operational requirements of Pakistan Air Force given. Before the J-6, J 7 5 and strong exports are what sell any model, and Xiaolong project is what the customer wants, we design, production, sales of what mode to achieve a military and trade patterns of innovation.
Up to now, most of the world military aircraft development projects must rely on state funds, so called government projects, and there are few investment projects by enterprises. Xiaolong is Central Air Industrial Group and its subordinate units at their own expense, and to introduce clients to invest in China and Pakistan, a 50/50 partnership program, to achieve a military aircraft development model innovation. As the aircraft industry and the customers using their own funds to develop a foreign military aircraft, Xiaolong probably the same as the K8, the extensive use of foreign clients, and then equip the Chinese army.
Furthermore, the Air Force through the partnership with Pakistan-based cooperation, Pakistan side has provided a lot of useful experience to the Chinese side to bring a lot of new concepts and ideas, but also help China to complete the development of many aviation products. Interview, Pei told reporters that the future military and trade business, can not remain in the level of Xiaolong, China Aviation Industry Group may wish to have more and better products to obtain export licenses, and CATIC also will work to push them to the world; of course, more advanced models will also face more intense international competition. China is rising, the need to protect their strategic interests in the international arms trade with other aviation market power on the ongoing competition, and not allow such aircraft F-35 fighter jets to dominate the international market, the industry generally believe that China needs to develop a Xiaolong successor model to compete with them. Pei said that if China's future development Xiaolong's successor, hoping to continue the successful model Xiaolong.

 

[muse]

In addition, China also plans to increase the engine after the installation of push-vectoring nozzle, to improve aircraft maneuverability.

What's this - Thrust vectoring? That's new

 

[houshanghai]

What's this - Thrust vectoring? That's new

TVC nozzle