JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[WAQAS119]

Nice to see Sir PShamim back on Defence.pk....!

 

[Windjammer]

If it is there for the JF-17 development, then they must already be testing. I cannot expect them to need the tanker there for the design and assembly of the IRF system. Also, IRF is not new to the Chinese – I don’t see it being a major challenge. Just my opinion.

I don't want to read too much into it, but the guy was pointing towards the Block-2 development.

 

[Tempest II]

I don't want to read too much into it, but the guy was pointing towards the Block-2 development.

I understand you are saying you would not vouch for the info. I am however saying if the tanker is in Chengdu for Block II development, it is for IFR testing. The tanker is not there for the engineers to look at and measure its couplings. My thinking is IFR for the Thunder has been on the cards for years – we even got a photo of the probe 2-3 yrs ago – so the news that they could be testing should not sound like fiction. I say, it should be expected. Just like the SD-10, we new it was going to be part of the JF-17, seeing the photos was welcome, but it was EXPECTED!

 

[Windjammer]

I understand you are saying you would not vouch for the info. I am however saying if the tanker is in Chengdu for Block II development, it is for IFR testing. The tanker is not there for the engineers to look at and measure its couplings. My thinking is IFR for the Thunder has been on the cards for years – we even got a photo of the probe 2-3 yrs ago – so the news that they could be testing should not sound like fiction. I say, it should be expected. Just like the SD-10, we new it was going to be part of the JF-17, seeing the photos was welcome, but it was EXPECTED!

Indeed it's the full works and the tanker is there to carry out field testing/operations. I just didn't want to jump the gun on the Block-2 angle.
Having said that, it's also worth remembering that these tankers can also be converted for heavy transport duties as well.

 

[Tempest II]

Having said that, it's also worth remembering that these tankers can also be converted for heavy transport duties as well.

Good point – had not thought of that possibility. It could be there to pick more JF-17 sub-assemblies.

 

[Silk]

Indeed it's the full works and the tanker is there to carry out field testing/operations. I just didn't want to jump the gun on the Block-2 angle.
Having said that, it's also worth remembering that these tankers can also be converted for heavy transport duties as well.

I think the tanker is there because it is also a transporter. We will get the next batch of three planes being transported to PAC. The transporter is and will be regular visitor to get parts to be assembled in Pakistan. I do not think that sending a tanker all the way to China is for testing purpose.

 

[abdulbarijan]

well i dont want to spoil the conversation guys but i had to post this hilarious video of a JF-17 simulator covered by Indian media..plz do comment LOL!!

 

[Mani2020]

well i dont want to spoil the conversation guys but i had to post this hilarious video of a JF-17 simulator covered by Indian media..plz do comment LOL!!

Have you ever seen a positive report by indian media about Pakistan? this also is not an exception

Btw an old video

 

[houshanghai]

jft pt with sd10 having no markings

 

[razgriz19]

jft pt with sd10 having no markings

so what does it mean?

 

[Mani2020]

Some tid bids from egale Hannan
The Block II JF-17 is believed to have AESA radars similar to those observed on the J-10B. The integrated avionics, sensors and EW suite is entirely Chinese and is believed to be at the level of Europes best planes. The AESA radar is a slightly smaller version of the one being utilized for the J-10B. The radar is highly sophisticated and its installation is beyond the present capacity at PAC Kamra and will thus require the aircraft to take a trip to Nanjing, China.

The Block II will be the standard version to be used in the PAF with the older Block Is to be retired after the end of production for the first 150 aircraft. This suggests that the structural changes needed to convert the Block Is to Block II standard are significant, suggesting considerable changes to the revised edition. The following are believed to be some of the key changes:

1. AESA radar

2. Comprehensive upgrades for low RCS profile including cockpit glass, RAM paint, refined structure, completely new nose structure for AESA, significant increase in the use of composites and retractable refueling probe.

3. Awaited integration of A-Darter missiles from Brazil / South Africa with HOBS capability and Brazilian HMS.

4. The BVR missile is the SD-10B which has been found more than a match for the AMRAAM-120 C5s. An unknown Meteor class missile is in the works beyond the SD-10Bs.
A significant export order has been secured and an entire squadron is being dedicated for training and familiarization of foreign pilots (Source: Eagle Hannan,).

Contrary to conflicting reports in the media, he believes that the order for the FC-20s were finalized and that this order has increased to 58 planes. Given the recent crisis post-Abbottabad, the PAF is being beefed up in a hurry and the FC-20s will play a critical role in the defence of the Western sector. Given the nature of the mountainous terrain and the inability to use the F-16s, these platforms along with the JF-17 will prove to be of significant deterrence value. China is believed to be sacrificing its own production requirements to meet PAF's needs in a hurry and unbelievable financial terms appear to have been extended.

These FC-20s are a highly lethal version of the original and incorporate AESA radars, a high degree of composite use, low observability features and an advanced integrated avionics suite. The wide HUD visible on the J-11s are also believed to have been utilized. In Eagle Hannan's update, he notes that the wings have been modified and include over 50% composite use. He also makes the surprising claim that the canard fore-planes have been modified. Both these factors indicate a significant structural and aerodynamic revamp that would require significant changes even in the FBW.Such a revamp was already suspected given the canted nose and the DSI bump.

The same source also indicates that the plane (FC-20) has been praised by pilots and capable of incredible maneuvers including the Cobra so famously performed by the FLANKERs. He notes that FC-20 not only performs this maneuver but also performs it better, recovering significantly faster. While this maneuver is not of great military importance, the maneuverability and Fly-By-Wire (FBW) maturity this indicates, suggest that the FC-20 is a well-evolved and lethal machine.

 

[abaseen99]

 

[Manticore]

mani , these tidbits have already been posted

 

[Dil Pakistan]

mani , these tidbits have already been posted

To me it still feels as if reading the first time.

It is never mundane to read the qualities of this plane, even if they have been posted before - IT IS OUR JF-17 and that is it.

 

[houshanghai]

so what does it mean?

I do not know about what it mean. but it is said by some chengdu menmber in cdf.JFT PT06's flight is quite frequent in the first half of this year.PT06 make some weapon test(load with sd10 or ls6 or.....) almost every 2~3day.these latest pics of JFT all come from them too.