On a serious note, just because its an Israeli Jammer does not mean that its simply invincible.
According to the Amercians they are. Israeli jammers are the best in the world. The recent exercises are a proof and even the F-15 pilot whose video was circulating everywhere said that the jammers on Mig-21 were so effective that even the F15 couldn't detect them.
Our boys have studied their Jammers well and know how to counter them.
False claim. None of your boys have any info on Israeli jammers. Even the US has nothing to counter them.
JF17 on its own has excellent EW/ECM capabilities. It features DAS, RWR, EW, ECM and MAW Suites along with most importantly Self Protection Radar Jamming Pods.
how do you know they are excellent??? These are the most basic avionics and present on even Mig-21. Nothing exceptional about them.
BTW, PAF is not satisfied by these avionics and is looking to upgrade these even before the completion of first squadron. Speaks plenty for the excellence of these avionics.
And which radar jamming pod are you talking about? Just googling and wikipedia is not enough for an analysis. Name the jamming pod and tell me its abilities.
Not to mention other Assets that PAF will employ that specialize in Electronic Warfare. So if you actually believe that MKI will jam the entire computer system of JF17, than please keep believing that like the rest of the Indian fanboys.
Sure PAF will employ multiple assets but that doesn't mean India will not. India even has the AWACS killer missile Novator k-100. If you are taking AWACS into picture, care to take K-100 into picture too. MKI is capable of effectively jamming JF-17's avionics. It might not be successful every time but the probability is very high.
Indeed, the BARS system is indeed very capable. But your theory has been proven wrong where only an Aircraft can guide a missile into the Enemy Aircraft through its Radar System and not the AWAC, refer to post 1943 becuase this is not the first time you have made a false claim.
Let me explain to you one more time. Guidance of missile through AWACS is possible but there are requirements. The radar of the AWACS should be compatible with the datalink of the missile. A western AWACS will not be compatible with chinese missile and vice versa. Only KLJ-7 will be able to guide an SD-10. Erieye will only be able to guide an AMRAAM.
But this is the not the primary problem. The problem is that to launch a missile the JF-17 needs to get in range of the MKI. That is where the catch lies. Before JF-17 could get a lock on, MKI would have already launched the missile.
Guiding from AWACS is not a possibility here. And since the missile today are fire and forget, they have an onboard active seeker. In the last 15-20 kms, this seeker takes control, and will automatically home to the hostile aircraft.
The Best Passive Radar System has been neutralized with our 8 AWACS and 3D radars on the ground, your MKI will be detected long before it detects any of our Assets in their Air. Besides its huge RCS with those two huge engines will make it a magnet for a heat seeking missile
You do not have 8 AWACS today.
MKI will be detected with AWACS. True. But to neutralise it, you'll have to send in something. And that something will be in range of the MKI. AWACS can't fire missiles, you see.
Indeed any missile that India possess in its inventory is the best
, NEWSFLASH its not an AMRAAM. PAF will possess SD10 whose range has never been made public, but we do know that the Chinese are in possession of the R77 and they would have done their homework before making the SD10. Heck some people have even claimed that it uses a Chinese Motor along with a Russian Datalink and a Radar making it superior to R77, but in the end we really dont know the details.
I think I said one of the best. R77 and AMRAAM are the best missiles in the world. No doubt about it. And thats what I said.
The chinese SD-10 uses a reverse engineered seeker from R-77. But that seeker only becomes active in the last 15 kms of its course. The motor is the main concern here, being chinese doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.
Besides, we also possess Darters in our inventory too. As Shamim Sahab has disclosed, its a Fire and Forget BVRAAM with a range of 120 km recieved with full TOT. It has enhanced manuverability, agility and a much better seeker.
Care to show proof for your claims. and the version of Darter you're talking about. There is no darter missile with such range.
The one that is under negotiation is A-Darter. Unfortunately for you, its still under development and only by Brazil and SA. There is no Pakistan in there. So there goes another false claim of yours.
For the MKI to unleash its load it will have to come near our border or inside our border, if not our Aircrafts can simply fly low to avoid its radar or its R77 because the heavy clutter on the ground is likely to misguide the R77 Seekers and Russian Missiles are known for that.
Another assumption. Ever heard of look-up and look-down modes of radar. Go read up.
Low flying aircraft are only invisible to ground radars. Unfortunately for you, we have AWACS and fighter aircraft with radars in the sky.
Indeed, the TVC brings amazing Aerodynamics but they are great for AirShows but not in real life. When the other Aircraft features a Modern Active Guided Missile linked with HMS, the TVC wont do squat. JF17 itself has excellent Manuverability and Agility, our Block 15 is more agile but JF17 is more manuverable. Keep in mind Block 15 is the most manuverable and agile out of the entire F16 Series.
Grapes are sour??
TVC is not just for airshows. It is a great tech that not only helps immensely in dogfighting but also helps evading missiles.
Indeed there is no comparision on Paper 1 on 1, but luckily we wont be fighting the war 1 on 1. The side which employs its assets more intelligently and efficiently will win the war, not the side which has better planes on the paper. I am actually glad you think a duel between JF17 and MKI would be a one man show for MKI, it indeed would be if they would be going one on one but that wont be the case in real life buddy
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I agree with the bolded part. But a better aircraft would certainly help.
Right now, the qualitative and quantitative advantage is with India, so the last comment of your stays invalid.
One on One definitely except the F35. I will conclude it by saying that you guys need to get over with this fetish that MKI is God's Gift to Aviation, it simply is the best possible Airplane in the world. If it certinely was; i am sure it would have crossed the border Post Mumbai, although it tried but failed
Actually it isn't Indians but Pakistanis who are obsessed with their aircraft. MKI is one of the best 4.5++ gen aircraft and the world accepts the same. Take it from a RAF Typhoon pilot.
http://www.domain-b.com/aero/july/2007/20070720_indra_dhanush.htm
It is JF-17 that is being overestimated by miles. Its barely a 4th gen aircraft with bare minimum capabilities. Yet here you are comparing to MKI.
