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originall posted by adeos amigo:
hummm i think,due to the recent modifications they have transformed to stealth lol. but if there are in peshawar, so they will be flying very soon INSHALLAH, because its expected now taimikhan is also from peshawar,may be he has spoted anyone in the skies but one thing for sure A-5s daily activites have almost come to a hault.
Nops, not a single sighting except a couple of months back when one or two had come for some ceremony kind of thing. A-5s are still in the sky but in very less numbers. Their routine exercises on monthly basis have also been not noticed, definitely something is happening but no JF-17 in the sky for the time being.
There's no such thing as a twin-engined JF-17. Its just fan-boyism.
New Recruit
well bro totally agree to your views of increased thrust and payload on jf-17, however regarding market compitition with f16/gripen ng/mig 35, you are a bit mistaken. jf-17 is not in competition with either of these plans, rather jf-17 will staisfy the needs of those countries which need affordable and effective fighter,either as replacement of thire old inventory such as mig21 and f-7s or their need for new fighters.The segment jf-17 is focusing on are mostly small developing asian or african countries with small defence spendings,ofcourse their will be few odd exceptions as iran etc. currently the prices of the above mentioned planes are $70 million and above and a jf-17 wil cost some where b/w 18-25 million a piece.Therefore apart from politcal issues it becomes vertually impossible for these small nations to buy those expensive toys specially when they want to buy them in numbers. Basically the target markets of the above mentioned planes and jf-17 are totally different so thier is no competiton b/w them. hope u got the point.thanks mean_bird and arslan for clearing it up. I think i read that twin engined thing on sinodefence.
Still, I think a major increase in thrust & payload of JF-17 is important to its success, both with the plaaf and for export. A vastly improved thrust will allow it to carry a significant load of a2g ordnance with a bigger amount of external fuel and give it a better TWR for a2a.
It's competition in the market is f16/gripen ng/mig 35 and i don't think that the current jf17 has much chance against such planes in winning an export order.
thanks mean_bird and arslan for clearing it up. I think i read that twin engined thing on sinodefence.
Still, I think a major increase in thrust & payload of JF-17 is important to its success, both with the plaaf and for export. A vastly improved thrust will allow it to carry a significant load of a2g ordnance with a bigger amount of external fuel and give it a better TWR for a2a.
It's competition in the market is f16/gripen ng/mig 35 and i don't think that the current jf17 has much chance against such planes in winning an export order.
This is a production model.The ultimate version of JF-17 behind the scenes,thankyou for the informative post!
what is that THUNDER 04 written on the plane?? does it refer to prototype 04 or is it from the operational serial produced JF??
and sir munir
is this pic from the "evaluation and weapon integration phase of JF" that we have talked about a lot of times?
regards!
There's no such thing as a twin-engined JF-17. Its just fan-boyism.
New Recruit
well bro totally agree to your views of increased thrust and payload on jf-17, however regarding market compitition with f16/gripen ng/mig 35, you are a bit mistaken. jf-17 is not in competition with either of these plans, rather jf-17 will staisfy the needs of those countries which need affordable and effective fighter,either as replacement of thire old inventory such as mig21 and f-7s or their need for new fighters.The segment jf-17 is focusing on are mostly small developing asian or african countries with small defence spendings,ofcourse their will be few odd exceptions as iran etc. currently the prices of the above mentioned planes are $70 million and above and a jf-17 wil cost some where b/w 18-25 million a piece.Therefore apart from politcal issues it becomes vertually impossible for these small nations to buy those expensive toys specially when they want to buy them in numbers. Basically the target markets of the above mentioned planes and jf-17 are totally different so thier is no competiton b/w them. hope u got the point.
regards.
i get your point.
however, i'm pointing out that if a 3rd world country requires a replacement for an old plane like mig21/mirage/f7/f5 the cheapest options are the american F-16, euro Gripen/ Gripen NG, ruskie Mig-35 or chinese jf17/j10. now i don't think the current configuration thunder can compete with f-16 or mig 35 in sensor and weapon capability. the klj-7/sd-10 has no chance against the zhuk-ae/r-77m or the apg-81/aim-120d/aim-9x? Even the RD-93B/RC-400/Mica/upgraded SD-10 combo doesn't quite match up.
Cost is the one and i think only factor favoring the jf17, but customers may prefer the 25mn J-10 over a 20mn JF17, especially once the j-10b version is cleared for export.
that's why i believe the thunder needs a major upgradation in order to be competitive in the export market.
then we've to consider the aircraft it will face post 2015. In a worst case the IAF in 2020 could well have around 240 MKI, 126 FA-18, 50-100 Mirage 2000-9, 60 upgraded Mig 29, upto 100 FGFA and any number of LCA . The JF-17 will have to be good enough to taken on any of these planes.