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They are old pics
Because the FC#6 is better than FC#4
Thanks for pics and info Wangrong. Can you give us more info on the differences between 04 and 06?
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They are old pics
Because the FC#6 is better than FC#4
Thanks for pics and info Wangrong. Can you give us more info on the differences between 04 and 06?
I think you are wrong, if India would decide for Mig 35, Russia wouldn't give China, or Pakistan these techs (they won't give it to Pakistan alone anyway, it will always come through China, if Russia want, or not), so it is related on Indias decision. Also the only thing that all these countires LOVES is money, that's why they all are so friendly to us at the moment and not because they love us, or you. They look only for their advantages regardless if they sell to us, or to you.I think you answered the questions correct. No matter India will decide (or delay) the result will be that all other parties will love to sell to Pakistan. As long as JF17 does not compete Mig29 versions it will have the option to absorb Russian technology. If that means selling to Pakistan (indirectly from China) the Russians do not care. They no longer need India to finance their military programs nor did they like the attitude of IAF when going for western parts (certainly this re-elected government will push to do)...
I think you are wrong, if India would decide for Mig 35, Russia wouldn't give China, or Pakistan these techs (they won't give it to Pakistan alone anyway, it will always come through China, if Russia want, or not), so it is related on Indias decision. Also the only thing that all these countires LOVES is money, that's why they all are so friendly to us at the moment and not because they love us, or you. They look only for their advantages regardless if they sell to us, or to you.
That's not quiet true, both countries got Su 30 right, but India got a way more advanced version! That is more than 10 years back now and China still don't got that PESA radar or AL 31 engine with TVC for that fighters right?India got the Su-30, China got not only the Su-30 but also the whole Su-27 technology (from which they built the J-11). China also got samples of Russian radar and missiles...the same that india bought. Where was the Indian leverage then?
And that describes why Russia trust us more than China! Btw Astra is also based on a Russian missile, MKI has OLS since years and:Did you really think China designed a whole new SD10, J10 IRIST without Russian help? Ooops. They saw, they copied and they moved on. They saw AL31 and they made one in their own backyard... And India? India is still getting its AL31 shipped back to Russia... Who achieved the most?
Correct. However, this is not because the Russians favour the Indians over the Chinese, but because the Chinese ask for less. The Chinese Aerospace industry is ahead of the Indian Aerospace industry by a good amount (in all objectivity) and so they require less assistance from the Russians. The Indians are much less self-sufficient in the field of Aerospace (in fact, in advance aerospace, they are not self-sufficient at all). You have to sacrifice one thing for another, it is all about trade-offs. The Chinese pay less because they can do more, India pays more because they can do less, and so it balances out.That's not quiet true, both countries got Su 30 right, but India got a way more advanced version! That is more than 10 years back now and China still don't got that PESA radar or AL 31 engine with TVC for that fighters right?
No. Again, the difference is not "what India can get from Russia and what China can get", but rather "what India wants from Russia and what China wants".And now when it seems that those will be available for J10, India is already getting the next version (AL 41) for FGFA and most likely for upg MKIs. So there is a difference in what India can get from Russia and what China can get.
Correct. All three parties; Russia, China and India, are looking out for themselves. It's all business, nothing personal.At the end it's like I said, everybody is trying to get his own advantage and if we don't buy those techs, why shouldn't Russia offer them to China.
And there you go neutralizing the intelligent statement you made above. No, they don't trust India more. As far as the Russians are concerned, the country that offers bigger business is the country that it favours at any given point in time.Russia trust us more than China!
That's not quiet true, both countries got Su 30 right, but India got a way more advanced version! That is more than 10 years back now and China still don't got that PESA radar or AL 31 engine with TVC for that fighters right?
I agree with you that China is more able to develop and produce techs on their own, but imo India is catching that up very fast and the reason for that is that India has much more access to Russian and Western techs.Correct. However, this is not because the Russians favour the Indians over the Chinese, but because the Chinese ask for less. The Chinese Aerospace industry is ahead of the Indian Aerospace industry by a good amount (in all objectivity) and so they require less assistance from the Russians. The Indians are much less self-sufficient in the field of Aerospace (in fact, in advance aerospace, they are not self-sufficient at all). You have to sacrifice one thing for another, it is all about trade-offs. The Chinese pay less because they can do more, India pays more because they can do less, and so it balances out.
Actually China had interest on Su 33, but only on a few numbers as you said and Russia cancelled the deal because they was afraid tha China only wants some samples to copy them again and produce those in mass production!Consider the case of the Su-33. Its been on offer by Russia if China orders a sizeable number of them, but so far China has not shown interest in buying except just for prototypes (which neither justifies the production line being opened and looks more like just for copying). Why? because China's own Carrier-borned fighter (J-13/J-15) is being seen as in an advanced stage of development. Only if there are some problems or delays will China go for the Su-33.
Believe me if India's aerospace industry was even 1/4th of China's, it won't be going for MMRCA or Su-30 upgrades or Mirage upgrades, etc. If kaveri was even a half-decent and functioning engine, they won't be looking for new engines for the LCA.
I think there is a huge gap between wat China achieved and what India sofar did. India might dream about super powers or super tech but it has not shown anthing sofar. Building downgraded copies with help of man and calling it superduper after three decades is something that is not comparable with J10-B or J11. And JF17 might be originall in the same league but it alread have passed LCA with huge distance. Telling about what LCA theoretical should have been doesn't make it that good in realit. Why else would it be remembered as technology developement and not real fighter jet. Buying a few shows that it is a failed program.