JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 1]
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I would like to point out few things. The infrastructure has been initiated at Kamra according to this source, http://www.pakistaniforces.com/component/option,com_magazine/Itemid,0/func,show_article/id,2/
8 aircrafts will be jointly produced, 4 of them will go to Pakistan and 4 for China. There is a possiblity that the hard points (stations) might be increased as the requirement have been increased.
8 aircrafts will be jointly produced, 4 of them will go to Pakistan and 4 for China. There is a possiblity that the hard points (stations) might be increased as the requirement have been increased.
Perfect updates webmaster. I agree with your remarks about adding pylons. The first part and the most needed part is BVR (after standard WVR like AIM9l/m/p4 or the usual pl5/8 matra magic) and they have pylons for the fueltank and next station next to that. The outer wingstation is not suited for the big BVR. Not yet cause the F16 was modified to get that cause the first thing one fires is the BVR and it is the best to reduce weight on the outer parts of the wing.... We wil see...
After that they will move towards anti surface (missiles rockets and bombs) and they might add double belly launchers for BVR and a2g stores like Gripen. They might add an extra pylon but it depends on the use of CFT in the future... For a small fighter 4 BVR seem to be more then enough but if one adds wingtanks then 2 more stations would coem very handy. Don't forget that JF17 has extra pylons for Atlis like designator... It will be located at the opposite of the gun near the intake. A la gripen.
After that they will move towards anti surface (missiles rockets and bombs) and they might add double belly launchers for BVR and a2g stores like Gripen. They might add an extra pylon but it depends on the use of CFT in the future... For a small fighter 4 BVR seem to be more then enough but if one adds wingtanks then 2 more stations would coem very handy. Don't forget that JF17 has extra pylons for Atlis like designator... It will be located at the opposite of the gun near the intake. A la gripen.
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CFT=College of Flying Training.WVR=?Munir said:
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you are talking about "What can a TVC do to performance of a plane and what it cant"Munir said:
what i am talking about it " what changes are needed to put a TVC in a plane"..
i really cant see any statement of ur post correcting my "not entirely correct" post.
what exact part of my post do you not agree with fully.. ??
Every pound you add to a small plane you will need to overcome this with the much more thrust. A small fighter is very agile and should not need those TVC punishment certainly if it gets HMS and agile WVR missiles. Adding these things to a big 2u27 or F22 make sense... Small planes not.
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one can make 16 planes in next 9-15 months.. but using a single prototype of FC-1..finishing the FC-1 programme .. all the testing ( as most will be redone due to airframe changes).. and weapons integration ... just cannot finish it in 9-15 months....Munir said:
the newly built ones will go into increasing the testing speed.
furthermore .. the russians still havent officially said yes to RD93 for paksitan.. so till russians say yes or ws13 gets ready and then integrated in FC-1.. FC-1 for pakistan is distant.
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No its not, You will see, man thats China, anything is possible, ofcourse they need to perform few more tests, and they will perform them while staying in the airforce as they better understand their requirments and issues involved with AC, if there will be any.
I wanna remind you one thing as well, there was'nt just one or single prototype tested, infact there 4 four. You better get some information before posting such thing:read: . and yes Russia has already said yes to the deal to provide RD-93 engines to china. Why would they say no, as they have potential buyers, like China, not like India. Any how even if such thing happens, there are lot many options available. So mate i dont see this project getting late, hmmn but im not so sure about LCA:buck: .
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Assalam u Alaikum brothers
this the first time i have become a member of a forum so here is my first question ,can u tell me about the Jf-17's ECMs
this the first time i have become a member of a forum so here is my first question ,can u tell me about the Jf-17's ECMs
I have a feeling that ECM will probably be Chinese including IRTS, etc. Hell may be some of the software configurations.
To add more, we had someone who posted an article translating chinese to english which stated.
Cheers
To add more, we had someone who posted an article translating chinese to english which stated.
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Here is some info on the JF-17's avionics
It was speculated that the Pakistani variant of JF-17 will be fitted with the Italian Grifo S-7 fire-control radar. PAC conducted some modification tests on Grifo S-7 radar system to specially designed for the JF-17, with 25 working modes and a non-break-down time of 200 hours. The radar system is capable of look-down/shoot-down operation, as well as for ground strike abilities.
However, with better radar offers from various European sourcrs, it is now most likely that Grifo S-7 will only be installed on early versions of JF-17. While the advance versions will comprise of different & better radars. Pakistani sources also suggest that Pakistan is mostly looking into western avionics to further improve the JF-17's capabilities.
Some avionics and their technology transfer has been discussed with Sweden. In addition to that JF-17 includes new digital dual fly-by-wire (FBW) system and a true beyond visual range (BVR) attack capability. The JF-17 will include a 25° field of view HUD, two multi-function displays and an INS/GPS. - initially specs were not as advanced as it is now for the cost reason. However, the US surdenly decided to sell more advanced F-16s to PAK aiming to kill JF-17/FC-1 project - the project team was forced to improve the specs and make it happen at prototype 04, and they did.
Very Advanced Cockpit - Control panel is consisted by 3 color screens (20.3cm x 20.3 cm) only, all information is processed and displayed on them. the functions of each one is exchangeable. brightness & contrast can be adjusted either automatically or manually. each of the screen can be re-defined. - HUD is also state-of-the-art. many image / information can be displayed at the same time. - HUD is better than that of the latest su-30 for the reason that JF-17/FC-1 can display both raw signal as well as processed information (i.e. more meaningfull) whereas su-30 displays, by and large, raw signals directly.
HOTAS Control
Intelligence Avionics - Avionics system is all digital and fully integrated - distributed structure, two independent but exchangeable (can back-up each other) STD-MTL-1553B data buses connected all equipment, plus two powerful control computers (also can back-up each other). Each computer controls one data bus - only very recent airplanes such as F-16 E/F have similar structure and powerful computers
- Radar. Initially Pakistan wanted to use Grifo ones (Grifo-S2000). However, Chinese one offers key advantages such as compatibility with Chinese weapon systems - Radar has multiple modes, such as A2A (both BVR & close), air to ground, air to sea, etc with strong anti-interference capacity. - it can handle > 40 targets, tracking 10 of them and guiding 2 BVR missiles to attack 2 of them at the same time - the detecting range for a typical air target of RC 3 square metter is > 75 km; looking down range is > 45 km; range for sea target is > 135 km - it has digital map, and is going to have 3D digital map.
- Robust & Advanced Electronic Warfare System - Has all standard electronic warfare systems, such as radar warning, nissile approaching warning, etcs. - the computer can store more than 300 existing radar signals for identification, and actually already stored more than 100 known radar signal partens - 360 degree range for missile approaching warning system with both infra-red & ultra-violet spectrum detecting, very sensitive to "afterburn" of missiles and the detecting range is > 20km. one detecting sensor in the tail and two at the front. moreover, it can provide certain capacity of tracking and positioning the approaching missile.
- JF-17 / FC-1 has a computer controlled infra-red interference bullet (missile?) system, which automatically calculate the right timing (based on the result of detecting system) to release the interference bullets to maximaze the impact. Only recently released airplanes such as F-22 / Rafale have such system. Even F-18E/F and F-16 E/F need further upgrading to acquire such capacity.
- JF-17 also has an "focused interference system", which can beam the enegy on one direction (i.e. attacking missile's guiding system) to distrub it. By doing this, a small equipment can have the same impact as a large electronic warfare airplane in that particular direction. Initially FJ-17 / Fc-1 did not have this system. However, in view of the fact that Pak's potential enemy is IAF equipped with Su-30 & R-77 missiles, CAC add this system into the plane. As of today, non India airplane has such system nor do PAk's f-16s.
- JF-17 has two communication radios. one of them has the capacity for data link, receiving data from either ground control center or AWACS. - all equipment has auto-detection function, i.e. at the time of maintanance, plug in a notebook computer and all working parameters can de displayed in the computer
- Weaponry system is designed to be compatible with both Western systems (i.e. supporting MIL-STD-1760 data bus) and Russian systems (of course Chinese systems as well). at present, its standard missiles are PL-9C for close fight and SD-10 for BVR. However, it also support AIM-9L/M and AIM-7F etcs - every weapon point has the data bus interface, i.e. each point can carry guided weapons. - for ground attacking weapon, already demonstrated laser guided bombs, it is going to have A2G missiles
Overall the JF-17's avionics will be on par with most of today's modern fighters, the outfit considered superior to that of the F-16 a/b but inferior to that of theF-16 c/d
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_T...Weapon_Systems
China has assured pakistan that the RD-93 will be deliverd to pakistan, china is also making its own superior version of the RD-93 called WS-13.
One of the first 4 JF-17's that will be deliverd later this year to pakistan for weapons integration will also be used to integrate various engines from other source presumably the same French engine used on the Mirage-2000 (forgot its name ?)
It was speculated that the Pakistani variant of JF-17 will be fitted with the Italian Grifo S-7 fire-control radar. PAC conducted some modification tests on Grifo S-7 radar system to specially designed for the JF-17, with 25 working modes and a non-break-down time of 200 hours. The radar system is capable of look-down/shoot-down operation, as well as for ground strike abilities.
However, with better radar offers from various European sourcrs, it is now most likely that Grifo S-7 will only be installed on early versions of JF-17. While the advance versions will comprise of different & better radars. Pakistani sources also suggest that Pakistan is mostly looking into western avionics to further improve the JF-17's capabilities.
Some avionics and their technology transfer has been discussed with Sweden. In addition to that JF-17 includes new digital dual fly-by-wire (FBW) system and a true beyond visual range (BVR) attack capability. The JF-17 will include a 25° field of view HUD, two multi-function displays and an INS/GPS. - initially specs were not as advanced as it is now for the cost reason. However, the US surdenly decided to sell more advanced F-16s to PAK aiming to kill JF-17/FC-1 project - the project team was forced to improve the specs and make it happen at prototype 04, and they did.
Very Advanced Cockpit - Control panel is consisted by 3 color screens (20.3cm x 20.3 cm) only, all information is processed and displayed on them. the functions of each one is exchangeable. brightness & contrast can be adjusted either automatically or manually. each of the screen can be re-defined. - HUD is also state-of-the-art. many image / information can be displayed at the same time. - HUD is better than that of the latest su-30 for the reason that JF-17/FC-1 can display both raw signal as well as processed information (i.e. more meaningfull) whereas su-30 displays, by and large, raw signals directly.
HOTAS Control
Intelligence Avionics - Avionics system is all digital and fully integrated - distributed structure, two independent but exchangeable (can back-up each other) STD-MTL-1553B data buses connected all equipment, plus two powerful control computers (also can back-up each other). Each computer controls one data bus - only very recent airplanes such as F-16 E/F have similar structure and powerful computers
- Radar. Initially Pakistan wanted to use Grifo ones (Grifo-S2000). However, Chinese one offers key advantages such as compatibility with Chinese weapon systems - Radar has multiple modes, such as A2A (both BVR & close), air to ground, air to sea, etc with strong anti-interference capacity. - it can handle > 40 targets, tracking 10 of them and guiding 2 BVR missiles to attack 2 of them at the same time - the detecting range for a typical air target of RC 3 square metter is > 75 km; looking down range is > 45 km; range for sea target is > 135 km - it has digital map, and is going to have 3D digital map.
- Robust & Advanced Electronic Warfare System - Has all standard electronic warfare systems, such as radar warning, nissile approaching warning, etcs. - the computer can store more than 300 existing radar signals for identification, and actually already stored more than 100 known radar signal partens - 360 degree range for missile approaching warning system with both infra-red & ultra-violet spectrum detecting, very sensitive to "afterburn" of missiles and the detecting range is > 20km. one detecting sensor in the tail and two at the front. moreover, it can provide certain capacity of tracking and positioning the approaching missile.
- JF-17 / FC-1 has a computer controlled infra-red interference bullet (missile?) system, which automatically calculate the right timing (based on the result of detecting system) to release the interference bullets to maximaze the impact. Only recently released airplanes such as F-22 / Rafale have such system. Even F-18E/F and F-16 E/F need further upgrading to acquire such capacity.
- JF-17 also has an "focused interference system", which can beam the enegy on one direction (i.e. attacking missile's guiding system) to distrub it. By doing this, a small equipment can have the same impact as a large electronic warfare airplane in that particular direction. Initially FJ-17 / Fc-1 did not have this system. However, in view of the fact that Pak's potential enemy is IAF equipped with Su-30 & R-77 missiles, CAC add this system into the plane. As of today, non India airplane has such system nor do PAk's f-16s.
- JF-17 has two communication radios. one of them has the capacity for data link, receiving data from either ground control center or AWACS. - all equipment has auto-detection function, i.e. at the time of maintanance, plug in a notebook computer and all working parameters can de displayed in the computer
- Weaponry system is designed to be compatible with both Western systems (i.e. supporting MIL-STD-1760 data bus) and Russian systems (of course Chinese systems as well). at present, its standard missiles are PL-9C for close fight and SD-10 for BVR. However, it also support AIM-9L/M and AIM-7F etcs - every weapon point has the data bus interface, i.e. each point can carry guided weapons. - for ground attacking weapon, already demonstrated laser guided bombs, it is going to have A2G missiles
Overall the JF-17's avionics will be on par with most of today's modern fighters, the outfit considered superior to that of the F-16 a/b but inferior to that of theF-16 c/d
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_T...Weapon_Systems
China has assured pakistan that the RD-93 will be deliverd to pakistan, china is also making its own superior version of the RD-93 called WS-13.
One of the first 4 JF-17's that will be deliverd later this year to pakistan for weapons integration will also be used to integrate various engines from other source presumably the same French engine used on the Mirage-2000 (forgot its name ?)
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get over this mania of yours. the sooner the better for you.melb4aust said:
nts.. ??
look at who started talking about LCA.. and who is the only person talking about it /wants to talk about it in this thread.....There's no need to be jelouse, yeah do more work on LCA to make it better and induct it in your airforce. Simple is that.....
BTW what exactly do you want to prove with this publically editable link.. ??
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Considering the wide range of reasons for which posts get deleted in this forum.. doesnt personal attacks like these deserve an action??
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