JF-17 Thunder: Made for the PAF

[amardeep mishra]

How many years of experience do you have, designing the likes of the F-16's, F-18's (4th gen jets)? I can say with 200% confidence "NONE". But I'd like to see an honest answer.

Enough to say that i have written my own "ALGORITHMs" NOT simply codes.I will end it here

 

[Manticore]

Stick to topic folks

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Stick to topic folks

@Manticore, if even a person (or some scientific rigor) like you can get suckered by some yarns of our resident aero-space expert........ then you're "a better man than I am, Gunga Din" (to paraphrase Rudyard Kipling)

Enough to say that i have written my own "ALGORITHMs" NOT simply codes.I will end it here

@amardeep mishra; keep your discussion confined to knowledgeable posters like @Oscar or @MilSpec or @gambit; do not get diverted by incoherent and irrelevant ramblings. It affects us too, since "plain joes" like us seek to learn something new all the time.

 

[Spectre]

@Manticore, if even a person (or some scientific rigor) like you can get suckered by some yarns of our resident aero-space expert........ then you're "a better man than I am, Gunga Din" (to paraphrase Rudyard Kipling)

OT but the argument presented by @amardeep mishra is highly esoteric. I have a degree in instrumentation and control and even I could just understand snippets though to be fair I am not a practising engineer let alone someone involved in aerospace engineering.

The point I am trying to make is that for us enthusiasts it would be great if the delivery can be a bit less technical so we can digest it.

Anyway Kudos @amardeep mishra for extremely enlightening discussion, you Sir are a credit to the forum.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

OT but the argument presented by @amardeep mishra is highly esoteric. I have a degree in instrumentation and control and even I could just understand snippets though to be fair I am not a practising engineer let alone someone involved in aerospace engineering.

The point I am trying to make is that for us enthusiasts it would be great if the delivery can be a bit less technical so we can digest it.

Anyway Kudos @amardeep mishra for extremely enlightening discussion, you Sir are a credit to the forum.

Agreed.... even my knowledge of Radar and Elements of Hydro-dynamic design in Naval Architecture were insufficient to equip me for the tenor of the discussion. Which is why I usually seek out posts by @Oscar, @gambit, @Chogy (now MIA here), @MilSpec and now @amardeep mishra to climb up an incremental learning curve. Even @Syed.Ali.Haider makes some great technical inputs, though his area of specialisation is different, but no less esoteric. Of course one needs to filter out pretenders, frauds and charlatans......what can we do without our own @Dr.Walter.Mitty, erstwhile Dean of Engg. at M.I.T.[/QUOTE]

 

[amardeep mishra]

I have a degree in instrumentation and control and even I could just understand snippets though to be fair I am not a practising engineer let alone someone involved in aerospace engineering.

I am also a btech in instrumentation and control engineering(NIT trichy) and Phd- flight dynamics and Control(IITM).

 

[VCheng]

I didnt know that one can determine if a plane has RSS simply by looking at the performance of the jet in airshows.

One cannot.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

One cannot.

Now, now; I hope you're not pulling my leg....
Never underestimate the abilities of Eyeball.Mk.1

 

[amardeep mishra]

One cannot.

That was exactly my point too.And thats why i asked the concerned person to furnish technical treatise pertaining to RSS being available on JFT

 

[VCheng]

Now, now; I hope you're not pulling my leg....
Never underestimate the abilities of Eyeball.Mk.1

The Eyeball Mk1 was replaced by the Calibrated Butt v2.1 some time ago. Both however, are no substitute for Actual Knowledge 0.00A Draft.

That was exactly my point too.And thats why i asked the concerned person to furnish technical treatise pertaining to RSS being available on JFT

The concerned person is perhaps a manager who has no idea which end of a horse they are looking at most of the time. Technical discussions are best done with proper preparation and insight.

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Back to the topic, the FCS of the JF-17 is in evolution still. The software will be upgraded as testing proceeds, of that I am quite sure.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

That was exactly my point too.And thats why i asked the concerned person to furnish technical treatise pertaining to RSS being available on JFT

Oye, chadd dey yaar........ Do not indulge in a futile exercise please. And do go back to your original discussion with the original discussants. Your erstwhile interlocutor will not return, if he knows what is good for him; and somebody like myself will gain some knowledge.... perhaps.

 

[Viper0011.]

@Manticore, if even a person (or some scientific rigor) like you can get suckered by some yarns of our resident aero-space expert........ then you're "a better man than I am, Gunga Din" (to paraphrase Rudyard Kipling)



@amardeep mishra; keep your discussion confined to knowledgeable posters like @Oscar or @MilSpec or gambit; do not get diverted by incoherent and irrelevant ramblings. It affects us too, since "plain joes" like us seek to learn something new all the time.

Hey silly pants, what's your qualifications? You just told the member to "keep his discussions to the "knowledgeable members" and outside of Gambit, you listed MilSpec, who hasn't produced one real knowledgeable post. So its almost like we are "illiterates" and "knowledgeable" on here. Which of you smart technical people went to MIT, Harvard or Yale???? Produce one so there is a match. Internet warriors with education of University of Bangalore or from a normal US school doesn't match Ivy leagues. Certainly has no competition with MIT and the likes . Enough said. I am probably more educated and from much better and expensive quality institutes than you can imagine. So when you can't come up with logic and facts, getting personal won't help.
Fake sense to supreme being is a fake sense, and you guys don't like it when you can't prove crap you write in posts!!

Enough to say that i have written my own "ALGORITHMs" NOT simply codes.I will end it here

Ok, like i said, I have appreciation of your education. I don't see professional experience. Was your algorithm implemented within a -16, -18 or JSF's flight controls? If yes, give me the patent number and I can salute you after I verify with the US Patent organization .

If that's not the case, I still appreciate and respect your education and smartness like I've said it ten times before. But then I won't take you too seriously because you don't have professional experience with the likes of a -16, -18 program. There is a whole world's of difference in theory and practice, when it comes to aircraft design and manufacturing.

Per the laws of Physics, back in the 40's and 50's, who would've thought that we'd be flying top end jets with tons of weapons and fuel loads with "unstable" air-frame and aircraft designs???? It would've sounded like a crazy idea back then, even when people still know the equations of equilibrium, center points, drag, motion dynamics, aerodynamics, etc. But the practice (vs. the theory) changed all these.

 

[Spectre]

That was exactly my point too.And thats why i asked the concerned person to furnish technical treatise pertaining to RSS being available on JFT

I am pretty sure that such information is not available in public domain for operational fighters. I could be wrong though and would defer to your expertise.

The Eyeball Mk1 was replaced by the Calibrated Butt v2.1 some time ago. Both however, are no substitute for Actual Knowledge 0.00A Draft.



The concerned person is perhaps a manager who has no idea which end of a horse they are looking at most of the time. Technical discussions are best done with proper preparation and insight.

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Back to the topic, the FCS of the JF-17 is in evolution still. The software will be upgraded as testing proceeds, of that I am quite sure.

In the defense of Managers, if the manager doesn't know about the subject matter then he would be a poor manager indeed. Granted a manager does not need to concern himself with the minute details but the understanding of the criticalities of the project is a prerequisite.

I am sure software would be updated but that brings forth a layman's question in my mind regarding limitation on FCS imposed by the current hardware. Don't the design choices, metallurgy, tonnage etc all control to a degree the flight dynamics? in that case the further refining of control laws would only bring incremental benefits.

 

[Viper0011.]

One cannot.

Are you saying this with experience? Or are you just saying this out of your hatred and other painful experience with me because I called your bullshiit out just a couple of days ago?

The fact of the matter is, no one has access to the Chinese tech, the Western analysts watch these planes fly, they watch the tires, to the canopy and the flight performance and can tell about 90% about what the aircraft has (in terms of sophistication and flight characteristics). I have worked with Boeing and her subsidiaries.......who have you worked with or for?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Hey silly pants, what's your qualifications? You just told the member to "keep his discussions to the "knowledgeable members" and outside of Gambit, you listed MilSpec, who hasn't produced one real knowledgeable post. So its almost like we are "illiterates" and "knowledgeable" on here. Which of you smart technical people went to MIT, Harvard or Yale???? Produce one so there is a match. Internet warriors with education of University of Bangalore or from a normal US school doesn't match Ivy leagues. Certainly has no competition with MIT and the likes . Enough said. I am probably more educated and from much better and expensive quality institutes than you can imagine. So when you can't come up with logic and facts, getting personal won't help.
Fake sense to supreme being is a fake sense, and you guys don't like it when you can't prove crap you write in posts!!

Hello @Dr.Walter.Mitty, erstwhile Dean of the Engg.School, M.I.T. I'm honored to make your acquaintance since you have deigned to grace this humble forum with your august presence.
Now, will you also graciously ship your incoherent and irrelevant ramblings some-place else so that the discussion can shift back to the original topic of this thread. If you have a beef with @MilSpec, then kindly take that elsewhere too. I hope you will not drag in @Syed.Ali.Haider now; since you had already devalued his PhD to a PhC on another thread in a fit of pique. Thank you for being so kind...
@amardeep mishra , how much can the FCS be tweaked? Will the final constraining factor be the air-frame limits?