JF-17 Thunder in Dubai Air Show 2013.

[Leviza]

search for JF PT-06 for what you wanna find out about block 2 modifications yourself cuz I dont have time to search for you. Most of the things are kept secret so you will see a clear picture of Block 2 soon. PAF officials are not stupid to announce block 3 when block 2 is not finalized and tested. Did you read my post properly? did I said that lca is good or bad or not better or better than JF17? I hope you are enough old to understand that.
There are more knowledgeable posts in this thread from experts, please read them.

I will make things easy here

The main difference b/w JF and LCA - JF is in production and flying high in most of the airshows
LCA is still way to long to go
There are some fundamental flows in LCA design and that is why its taking such a long time ... but indians wont accept it for sure ...

 

[lutfishah]

 

[ZohaibMumtaz]

search for JF PT-06 for what you wanna find out about block 2 modifications yourself cuz I dont have time to search for you. Most of the things are kept secret so you will see a clear picture of Block 2 soon. PAF officials are not stupid to announce block 3 when block 2 is not finalized and tested. Did you read my post properly? did I said that lca is good or bad or not better or better than JF17? I hope you are enough old to understand that. Jab LCA market may aa jai ga then we will compare it.
There are more knowledgeable posts in this thread from experts, please read them.

thanks for help me but don`t be hipper now i am understand thanx broo

 

[Tempest II]

comparing turn rate of a delta with conventional lay-out is with some comment. ITR is superb if you have a delta. STR is a hell. The delta will change very fast but due to drag it will lose kinetic energy and end up very slow. So mirage 2000 against F16 is dangerous for F16 but after the first turn the delta is dead. But it changes when you go up vertical. The drag lowers and the delta can also use altitude more efficient for trading altitude for speed.

So surely LCA can turn nicely (it has not shown that) but never forget the basics of ITR and STR.

Whether it can do a loop... I think it is a lot more difficult to do a cuban 8.

I believe with training the guy with the better ITR but inferior STR learns to finish the finish before the first turn. … … The guy relying on better STR is praying for the other guy to make a mistake and go beyond the first few turns.

 

[Bilal.]

No

I believe with training the guy with the better ITR but inferior STR learns to finish the finish before the first turn. … … The guy relying on better STR is praying for the other guy to make a mistake and go beyond the first few turns.

Not necessarily remember the f-15 vs mki exercise in which the rookie mki pilots engaged TV to try to point and shoot as quickly as possible but all the managed was to lose energy and become sitting ducks.

 

[Tempest II]

No

Not necessarily remember the f-15 vs mki exercise in which the rookie mki pilots engaged TV to try to point and shoot as quickly as possible but all the managed was to lose energy and become sitting ducks.

Did I mention "make a mistake" and "training" (i.e. experience)?

Exercise Red Flag 2008-4 / Su-30MKI vs F-15, F-16, F-22

and the only way - this happens only if there is an inexperienced pilot because the experienced ones never make the mistake

 

[Chak Bamu]

I believe with training the guy with the better ITR but inferior STR learns to finish the finish before the first turn. … … The guy relying on better STR is praying for the other guy to make a mistake and go beyond the first few turns.

Not necessarily. Let us invert your statement.

With proper training the guy with better STR learns to ensure that he engages the delta wing so that it is forced into a turning fight so that ITR advantage is lost and the drag disadvantage is exploited.

Simple thing is that any experienced pilot would want to exploit other's weakness and dominate via own strength. Emphasis on ITR or STR just results in differing tactics. One can not claim that ITR is superior to STR, since that would mean that all of world's fighter aircraft would be massive deltas. That of course is not the case as far as we know.

 

[Lil Mathew]

guyzz i want to know is JF-17 thunder really fail jet i have read that JF-17 thunder is fail jet and it can`t fire missile and please tell me is JF-17 thunder better than LCa tejas

Even though it is a 3rd generation aircraft, It's way better than Mirage-III, Mirage-V, and F-7P/PG aircrafts which are replaced by it....

 

[Bilal.]

Even though it is a 3rd generation aircraft, It's way better than Mirage-III, Mirage-V, and F-7P/PG aircrafts which are replaced by it....

And how is it a third gen aircraft? Provide logical proof...

 

[BATMAN]

Even though it is a 3rd generation aircraft, It's way better than Mirage-III, Mirage-V, and F-7P/PG aircrafts which are replaced by it....

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[Lil Mathew]

And how is it a third gen aircraft? Provide logical proof...

PAKISTAN AERONAUTICAL COMPLEX KAMRA

 

[Bilal.]

PAKISTAN AERONAUTICAL COMPLEX KAMRA

They are using Chinese generation classification.

 

[Lil Mathew]

They are using Chinese generation classification.

Why it is not a 4th generation aircraft according to Chinese classification???? Why Pakistan follows Chinese classification although it is a joint venture???

 

[Bilal.]

Why it is not a 4th generation aircraft according to Chinese classification???? Why Pakistan follows Chinese classification although it is a joint venture???

Since China started out late they termed gen 2 as their gen 1 and now they term their gen4s (sukhoi derivatives, J-10s, JF-17) as gen3 and t he new J-20/J-31 as gen4. PAC working closely with CAC used the same terminology. Technically it's our first gen fighter.

 

[ZohaibMumtaz]

Even though it is a 3rd generation aircraft, It's way better than Mirage-III, Mirage-V, and F-7P/PG aircrafts which are replaced by it....

so what do you think LCa is better huh?