JF-17 Thunder by Deka Ironwork for DCS

[Code_Geass]

They make some good videos but the guy is so biased that he couldn't accept that jf 17 is better then f 16 at sustained turn rate probably the only thing.

Should be a fair deal considering that monster of a turbofan the viper has. Turning at low speed is something thunder excels at.

 

[Dazzler]

They make some good videos but the guy is so biased that he couldn't accept that jf 17 is better then f 16 at sustained turn rate probably the only thing.

He openly admits that.

 

[khanasifm]

Per dcs 5123 lbs of internal fuel and the capacity per tanks is as follows

OEM provide 5135 lbs specs for internal fuel and assuming block 3 will carry more internal fuel in range of additional 200-500 litres

This is one of shortcoming Id in dcs nothing new

 

[Thorough Pro]

Most armchair generals on PDF have brains of 6-year old barbie dolls

Hi,

Always remember that this is a weapons world---& this is your front line aircraft---.

So not all tactical information will be released---and some LIES will be let go with a straight and innocent face---. Believe in it or not---but at your own peril---.

That is just the nature of the game---. Some secrets will come out 5 or 10 years from now---.

But for ease of thinking---just think about this---which european radar did the chinese radar supercede---?

 

[Clutch]

F-16C Versus JF-17 Block-II: Max acceleration DCS World

Max operating ceiling JF-17 versus F-16C

 

[SQ8]

He openly admits that.

The most accurate sim prior to this was BMS and its F-16 flight model.. the JF-17 here isn’t completely accurate and info provided has been purposefully kept vague. Some properties have been exaggerated whilst others understated.

Eventually, Burma will let Indian instructors onto their JF-17 and then such worries about opsec will be pointless apart from PAF specific equipment.

 

[sneakerspark]

Not a good day in the office for jeff.

 

[litman]

JF VS mirage 2000 and JF proved to be a piece of cake in all the close combat battles. the question is how close to reality these DCS videos are? if they are very much close to reality then it means we have to rely entirely on F-16 against su 30, rafale, mirage 2000 and mig 29. how PAF is going to use JFTs in a full scale war. will they be doing only the BVR engagements with SD 10 and PL15 and let the falcon force to handle any close combats?what are the chances of close combats in an actual war?

 

[Chak Bamu]

JF VS mirage 2000 and JF proved to be a piece of cake in all the close combat battles. the question is how close to reality these DCS videos are? if they are very much close to reality then it means we have to rely entirely on F-16 against su 30, rafale, mirage 2000 and mig 29. how PAF is going to use JFTs in a full scale war. will they be doing only the BVR engagements with SD 10 and PL15 and let the falcon force to handle any close combats?what are the chances of close combats in an actual war?

There are five things to note:

1. The player flying JF-17 used poor tactics to begin with. @GrowlingSideWinder is a great player who knows what he is doing. So, yes I am bit disappointed with the results, but do understand that it has a good deal to do with the man behind the gun.

2. JF-17's Achilles heel has always been the power-plant. That is why its TWR is lower than Mirage 2K. If it had a significantly more powerful engine, it would take the fight into the vertical plane and dictate the fight despite having comparatively less maneuverability. Depending upon the improvement in power-plant output for JF-17 Block III, the disparity would be eliminated or reduced.

3. JF-17 is not an air-superiority fighter. It is based on a number of compromises that were dictated to Pakistan during the development of JF-17. It is what we could put together. The alternatives were either to not have anything or to break the bank trying to procure something cost-prohibitive.

4. The gun fight is a very special case. First its going to be BVR and if that does not precipitate a result, then the next stage would be Short-range missiles (with HOBS, HMD/S); and only after that would we see a gun fight. So, the replication of circumstances with one-on-one merge like that is not a probable scenario.

5. We do not know how accurate is DCS exactly. It can not possibly model all sort of scenarios that would realistically take place with true capabilities of JF-17. Most likely, JF-17 would be part of mixed packages that would include F-16s.

So, a youtube video is not the end of the world for JF-17. I would not be too worried.

 

[musaji]

Bravo! I could not have put it any better than this. I came up with the exact same points but you put them together very well.

There are five things to note:

1. The player flying JF-17 used poor tactics to begin with. @GrowlingSideWinder is a great player who knows what he is doing. So, yes I am bit disappointed with the results, but do understand that it has a good deal to do with the man behind the gun.

2. JF-17's Achilles heel has always been the power-plant. That is why its TWR is lower than Mirage 2K. If it had a significantly more powerful engine, it would take the fight into the vertical plane and dictate the fight despite having comparatively less maneuverability. Depending upon the improvement in power-plant output for JF-17 Block III, the disparity would be eliminated or reduced.

3. JF-17 is not an air-superiority fighter. It is based on a number of compromises that were dictated to Pakistan during the development of JF-17. It is what we could put together. The alternatives were either to not have anything or to break the bank trying to procure something cost-prohibitive.

4. The gun fight is a very special case. First its going to be BVR and if that does not precipitate a result, then the next stage would be Short-range missiles (with HOBS, HMD/S); and only after that would we see a gun fight. So, the replication of circumstances with one-on-one merge like that is not a probable scenario.

5. We do not know how accurate is DCS exactly. It can not possibly model all sort of scenarios that would realistically take place with true capabilities of JF-17. Most likely, JF-17 would be part of mixed packages that would include F-16s.

So, a youtube video is not the end of the world for JF-17. I would not be too worried.

 

[SQ8]

There are five things to note:

1. The player flying JF-17 used poor tactics to begin with. @GrowlingSideWinder is a great player who knows what he is doing. So, yes I am bit disappointed with the results, but do understand that it has a good deal to do with the man behind the gun.

2. JF-17's Achilles heel has always been the power-plant. That is why its TWR is lower than Mirage 2K. If it had a significantly more powerful engine, it would take the fight into the vertical plane and dictate the fight despite having comparatively less maneuverability. Depending upon the improvement in power-plant output for JF-17 Block III, the disparity would be eliminated or reduced.

3. JF-17 is not an air-superiority fighter. It is based on a number of compromises that were dictated to Pakistan during the development of JF-17. It is what we could put together. The alternatives were either to not have anything or to break the bank trying to procure something cost-prohibitive.

4. The gun fight is a very special case. First its going to be BVR and if that does not precipitate a result, then the next stage would be Short-range missiles (with HOBS, HMD/S); and only after that would we see a gun fight. So, the replication of circumstances with one-on-one merge like that is not a probable scenario.

5. We do not know how accurate is DCS exactly. It can not possibly model all sort of scenarios that would realistically take place with true capabilities of JF-17. Most likely, JF-17 would be part of mixed packages that would include F-16s.

So, a youtube video is not the end of the world for JF-17. I would not be too worried.

More importantly, it is a simulation which repeatedly has been called into question with its performance metrics for the thunder.

Simulations are one thing, actual combat is another.

 

[Avicenna]

More importantly, it is a simulation which repeatedly has been called into question with its performance metrics for the thunder.

Simulations are one thing, actual combat is another.

I know I am stating what should be obvious.

DCS is at the end of the day a GAME.

 

[Dazzler]

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Enjoy this video if not seen before!!!!

 

[Rehan khan 1]

this sucker show tactics against mirage in next video