JF 17 is The Wrong Omnirole Aircraft For PAKISTAN

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

JF 17 is the wrong air craft for the armed forces of Pakistan. Even though it has been inducted with a great fanfare and extremely positive results---this aircraft is a little too small aircraft to do the job right when facing the likes of IAF.

On its own merit---the JF 17---for its size has one of the best overall packages available in the industry---air to air---air to ground and air to sea---.

So---in order to have balance in its air arm---Pakistan will have to purchase multiple other platforms.

We have the F16's and possibly no more F 16's----.

We need a medium strike aircraft---with the likes of a JH7B with aesa---this aircraft is like the tornado---. This aircraft can carry 8-10 anti ship missiles and still can defend itself with BVR missiles as well. In the Growler mode, this aircraft take the potency to fight back the enemy to a new level.

Pakistan also need an air superiority type aircraft----like the J 10B----or the J 11---and then on top of that---Pakistan will be looking forward to a stealth type plane like the J 31.

Pakistan military is missing the strike capability of a Tornado type of aircraft in its arsenal---and for that---PAF has failed to deliver.

The procurement of fighter aircraft needs to be taken away from the Pakistan air force---a 3 member team formed with the decision to buy that is needed.

Basically---PAF CANNOT be TRUSTED to buy the right type of equipment---. Like in the case of Saab aircraft----. Paf wanted all saab aircraft and Musharraf put a stop to it and got 4 or 5 chinese variants to have diversity and lines open in case of sanctions from Sweden.

Musharraf's decision proved to ve correct----the Chinese aircraft are as potent or better than the Swedish.

In a similar manner---Musharraf made the deal to buy 36 J 10's---. He knew in his heart and he knew from his experience that the JF 17 as good as it is in its class with all the paraphernalia---is not the answer to the needs of Pakistan.

Pakistan needed a bigger and a more potent aircraft-----.

Now Paf may have thought otherwise----but if you ook at the history of Paf since 1971----it is mostly of failures---bad decisions---lack of understanding the level of threat---at times total ignorance of issues at hand---at times not sharing the level of imminent threat to the national assets-----.

Which basically leads it be acting more like a person who is acting like someone with least concern rather than one who has the best interest of the Pakistan.

 

[ali_raza]

Hi,

JF 17 is the wrong air craft for the armed forces of Pakistan. Even though it has been inducted with a great fanfare and extremely positive results---this aircraft is a little too small aircraft to do the job right when facing the likes of IAF.

On its own merit---the JF 17---for its size has one of the best overall packages available in the industry---air to air---air to ground and air to sea---.

So---in order to have balance in its air arm---Pakistan will have to purchase multiple other platforms.

We have the F16's and possibly no more F 16's----.

We need a medium strike aircraft---with the likes of a JH7B with aesa---this aircraft is like the tornado---. This aircraft can carry 8-10 anti ship missiles and still can defend itself with BVR missiles as well. In the Growler mode, this aircraft take the potency to fight back the enemy to a new level.

Pakistan also need an air superiority type aircraft----like the J 10B----or the J 11---and then on top of that---Pakistan will be looking forward to a stealth type plane like the J 31.

Pakistan military is missing the strike capability of a Tornado type of aircraft in its arsenal---and for that---PAF has failed to deliver.

The procurement of fighter aircraft needs to be taken away from the Pakistan air force---a 3 member team formed with the decision to buy that is needed.

Basically---PAF CANNOT be TRUSTED to buy the right type of equipment---. Like in the case of Saab aircraft----. Paf wanted all saab aircraft and Musharraf put a stop to it and got 4 or 5 chinese variants to have diversity and lines open in case of sanctions from Sweden.

Musharraf's decision proved to ve correct----the Chinese aircraft are as potent or better than the Swedish.

In a similar manner---Musharraf made the deal to buy 36 J 10's---. He knew in his heart and he knew from his experience that the JF 17 as good as it is in its class with all the paraphernalia---is not the answer to the needs of Pakistan.

Pakistan needed a bigger and a more potent aircraft-----.

Now Paf may have thought otherwise----but if you ook at the history of Paf since 1971----it is mostly of failures---bad decisions---lack of understanding the level of threat---at times total ignorance of issues at hand---at times not sharing the level of imminent threat to the national assets-----.

Which basically leads it be acting more like a person who is acting like a traitor than one who has the best interest of the Pakistan.

u r absolutely correct sir.we should induct heavyweights

 

[Hurter]

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[Eagle Claw]

Hi,

JF 17 is the wrong air craft for the armed forces of Pakistan. Even though it has been inducted with a great fanfare and extremely positive results---this aircraft is a little too small aircraft to do the job right when facing the likes of IAF.

On its own merit---the JF 17---for its size has one of the best overall packages available in the industry---air to air---air to ground and air to sea---.

So---in order to have balance in its air arm---Pakistan will have to purchase multiple other platforms.

We have the F16's and possibly no more F 16's----.

We need a medium strike aircraft---with the likes of a JH7B with aesa---this aircraft is like the tornado---. This aircraft can carry 8-10 anti ship missiles and still can defend itself with BVR missiles as well. In the Growler mode, this aircraft take the potency to fight back the enemy to a new level.

Pakistan also need an air superiority type aircraft----like the J 10B----or the J 11---and then on top of that---Pakistan will be looking forward to a stealth type plane like the J 31.

Pakistan military is missing the strike capability of a Tornado type of aircraft in its arsenal---and for that---PAF has failed to deliver.

The procurement of fighter aircraft needs to be taken away from the Pakistan air force---a 3 member team formed with the decision to buy that is needed.

Basically---PAF CANNOT be TRUSTED to buy the right type of equipment---. Like in the case of Saab aircraft----. Paf wanted all saab aircraft and Musharraf put a stop to it and got 4 or 5 chinese variants to have diversity and lines open in case of sanctions from Sweden.

Musharraf's decision proved to ve correct----the Chinese aircraft are as potent or better than the Swedish.

In a similar manner---Musharraf made the deal to buy 36 J 10's---. He knew in his heart and he knew from his experience that the JF 17 as good as it is in its class with all the paraphernalia---is not the answer to the needs of Pakistan.

Pakistan needed a bigger and a more potent aircraft-----.

Now Paf may have thought otherwise----but if you ook at the history of Paf since 1971----it is mostly of failures---bad decisions---lack of understanding the level of threat---at times total ignorance of issues at hand---at times not sharing the level of imminent threat to the national assets-----.

Which basically leads it be acting more like a person who is acting like someone with least concern rather than one who has the best interest of the Pakistan.

Absolutely Bang on !
They Should Procure things According to the Intensity level of Threat !
You have made a Point which I am trying to make from Quite Sometime !

 

[gangsta_rap]

Why you do this mastan? why you do this again?

 

[Eagle Claw]

$$$$$$$$$

Its rather strategy which makes one achieve impossible not the $s !
Means the Point he has Raised in particular about JH7B for Striking Back at Enemy is a very Vital one. This Aircraft not only Gives you Decent Payload, but also is equipped with some Modern Goodies and can be enhanced as per requirements. It includes 9 Hardpoints, and I was watching some pictures posted by a Chinese Website some time back, it can also Carry Pods.
Its Price also won't exceed 15-20 million USD. But this platform has a Good Capability.
Specially for Navy, this Aircraft is Ideal.
Means Thunder is a Great Bird and has Push Started Pakistans Local Aircraft Industry but the Problem is with the true requirement and what we are inducting in this regards.

 

[shaheenmissile]

I dont know about JF-17 but about SAAB Erieye,if you remember ,no chinese awacs was available at the time and USA wont sell any AWACS to Pakistan. So Erieye was the only option then.

 

[shah1398]

Musharraf's decision proved to ve correct----the Chinese aircraft are as potent or better than the Swedish.

How?Plz enlighten us with regards to parameters and specs.

 

[Zarvan]

Hi,

JF 17 is the wrong air craft for the armed forces of Pakistan. Even though it has been inducted with a great fanfare and extremely positive results---this aircraft is a little too small aircraft to do the job right when facing the likes of IAF.

On its own merit---the JF 17---for its size has one of the best overall packages available in the industry---air to air---air to ground and air to sea---.

So---in order to have balance in its air arm---Pakistan will have to purchase multiple other platforms.

We have the F16's and possibly no more F 16's----.

We need a medium strike aircraft---with the likes of a JH7B with aesa---this aircraft is like the tornado---. This aircraft can carry 8-10 anti ship missiles and still can defend itself with BVR missiles as well. In the Growler mode, this aircraft take the potency to fight back the enemy to a new level.

Pakistan also need an air superiority type aircraft----like the J 10B----or the J 11---and then on top of that---Pakistan will be looking forward to a stealth type plane like the J 31.

Pakistan military is missing the strike capability of a Tornado type of aircraft in its arsenal---and for that---PAF has failed to deliver.

The procurement of fighter aircraft needs to be taken away from the Pakistan air force---a 3 member team formed with the decision to buy that is needed.

Basically---PAF CANNOT be TRUSTED to buy the right type of equipment---. Like in the case of Saab aircraft----. Paf wanted all saab aircraft and Musharraf put a stop to it and got 4 or 5 chinese variants to have diversity and lines open in case of sanctions from Sweden.

Musharraf's decision proved to ve correct----the Chinese aircraft are as potent or better than the Swedish.

In a similar manner---Musharraf made the deal to buy 36 J 10's---. He knew in his heart and he knew from his experience that the JF 17 as good as it is in its class with all the paraphernalia---is not the answer to the needs of Pakistan.

Pakistan needed a bigger and a more potent aircraft-----.

Now Paf may have thought otherwise----but if you ook at the history of Paf since 1971----it is mostly of failures---bad decisions---lack of understanding the level of threat---at times total ignorance of issues at hand---at times not sharing the level of imminent threat to the national assets-----.

Which basically leads it be acting more like a person who is acting like someone with least concern rather than one who has the best interest of the Pakistan.

Pakistan needs a third 4.5th Generation platform we need either SU-35 or J-11D or J-10 B. @Tipu7 @Sulman Badshah

 

[shah1398]

but if you ook at the history of Paf since 1971----it is mostly of failures---bad decisions---lack of understanding the level of threat---at times total ignorance of issues at hand---at times not sharing the level of imminent threat to the national assets-----.

Sir by this definition even the F-16s are a failure. But are they?

Basically---PAF CANNOT be TRUSTED to buy the right type of equipment

Sir did PAF suspend the 2025 vision as was sanctioned by Gen Pervez Musharraf or was it forced to suspend it? If PAF can not be trusted to buy right type of equipment for them then who we are proposing should do that for them?its not just a random 3 member team but each procurement is evaluated by specialists from each branch and sub branch and they present not only technical evaluation but feasibility also. Final decision is being taken by Air Staff after evaluating all reports. sanction PAF the appropriate amount of money in FE and they would love to grab J-31s right now.

 

[M.SAAD]

We need money to buy new aircrafts and we don't have it .

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@mastan khan i dont know what has got into u since past few weeks, i see u making this forum Bharat Rakshak...where they were comparing their teja to f22 and u did that too with JFT. From a respected member yr just proving yrself to be a ordinary member.

But as for topic This aircraft may not be the best nor it was intended to be.. But its our lifeline. A country which has gone through series of embargoes such independence is vital for national security. Plus more importantly it helps Pakistan's domestic knowledge base and manufacturing capability. Now we even export them too.

U must have a far sight to understand Pakistan's projects.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

JF17s soon with AESA radar will be enough for PAF to defend the mother land. Cheap,easily available with respectable configuration makes JF17 a perfect back bone of PAF.

Regarding PAF, well if they had been that incompetent, as per the topic starter, IAF would had carried out numerous surgical strikes inside Pakistan but they didn't despite of tremendous 'hindu' wish in India.

 

[HRK]

No Sir, its not.... Jf-17 is a right aircraft for the right roles .... not for every role

Now the question is what those ROLES are ....??

1- JF-17 is the replacement for Mirag-III/IV & J-7 derivatives not for F-16 or any other Medium category fighter .... so compare the specification of JF-17 with these jets and the roles which these jets perform in PAF with their limited technology (third & second generation technology) JF-17 is a clear winner and it is very logical to assume that JF-17 will perform these roles better than preceding jets.

2- Problem arise when we wish JF-17 to take up the role of F-16 or any other medium category Fighter Jet which it is not .... this jet can be employed for NAVAL role as 'coastal defence fighter' and can patrol 300-400 KM into EEZ which is mostly 200 nm (~360 KM from ours shores), extended 150 nm are limited to SINDH & very limited area of BALUCHISTAN, but it does not mean its a specialized Naval Aircraft or for any other specific role

3- Its a kind of an aircraft which Air forces keeps in their inventory in numbers to perform general duties & to supports their specialized inventory which are tasked to perform specific duties .... in cricketing term its an all-rounder who comes to bat at number 7 or 8, balls the allotted quota of his overs in the middle of innings as number 5 baller or even some time as an extra baller to give a bit of depth to the balling line, in fielding he takes some catches and stops some runs .... you can not expect from these kind of player to score century or take 5 wickets its a duty of Specialist Batsmen or Baller .... so is the case with JF-17 you can not expect it to take a role of specialized Naval aircraft or anti-ship aircraft .... or specialized for Air Interdiction for these sort of roles different beasts are required

4- Our current problem is that we do not have specialized Aircrafts for specific roles, therefore we want JF-17 to take that role as well for which its not design its true that its a Multi role aircraft but its design have its own limitations, this indicates our CURRENT NEED which we expect to fulfil with JF-17 & used F-16 (which may be difficult to procure in future) combination and are waiting for next generation solution which may available in FUTURE, so we are delaying or sort of overlooking our current need in favour of an OPTION which will be available in FUTURE.

5- PAF may have adopted this strategy because it might have the assurances that the expected future option is not available really at Distant Future & we may see the availability of that option earlier than our estimated time otherwise PAF cannot over look CURRENT NEED in favour of FUTURE OPTIONS for so long .... my 2 cents ....

 

[Magi Brahmin]

Pakistan needs a third 4.5th Generation platform we need either SU-35 or J-11D or J-10 B. @Tipu7 @Sulman Badshah

instead of 250 JF-17s, pakistan should get 36 j-10 and 100 jf -17.
just my 2 cents