Featured JF-17 Emerged As The Star of Swift Retort

[Ark_Angel]

You must realise how difficult it is not to boast when you are no longer part of the organisation and no longer legally obliged to keep shut.
In 1995 me and my colleagues brought things from Ukraine to Pakistan and 25 years later we still can't boast about it.
It is difficult to keep shut when you are incredibly proud of what you did. But likewise the potential fallout from your boasting outweighs the ego boost you get.
Some people risk it and i don't blame them. Other keep shut .
Personal preference.

Boast all you want but give it a decade atleast. That’s what sane nations do. Don’t let your emotions take over your control. That’s what Kaiser should have done.

 

[Windjammer]

@Knuckles @Ark_Angel
The damage is done with Opsec - unfortunately there are always folks jumping the gun whether it is the leaked phone call or excessive details in the article.

The focus should now be on countering what is coming(a matter of “when” and not “if“ so long as the current regime is in charge) which is going to be a much more difficult scenario with the aspects mentioned through training.

Depending upon the timeline, R.K cannot turn around the entirety of the IAF into a crack force but even 150 odd well trained and experienced combat leaders/pilots can make life hell for us or even push us out of our skies.

Which is why I am averse to the excessive celebrations of the 27th. we should not ever develop or let develop within our ranks levels of pride that lead to complacency.

Infact, all we’ve done is added a higher level of difficulty to the true “big one”.
SDRs and Meteors are what we know of, there are plenty of things we too are unaware of and that could get us and unlike them we don’t have deep pockets.

If I sound repetitive it is for the general audience - stop praising your looks in the mirror and try to change the entire nation in general. Be it the PAF or PIA, all are borne from the same lot that is Pakistanis and the general mentality is what will eventually reflect in.

Institutional memory only goes so far in fixing poor national mindset - our neighbor is testament to it.

My dear, when Zia deposed Bhutto and his military regime even managed to get first batch of F-16s, the so called champions of democracy were in full flow claiming the F-16s came at the cost of our nuclear programme...fast forward....BB comes to power and NS has a trump card of adding nuclear list along with Khalistanis names handed over by PPP......NS gets sacked by Ishaq Khan and BB has a claim that he was giving up nuclear secrets....all in all, they came and went but the nuclear programme continued to progress at it's own pace.....similarly, pre 27th Feb, the kill switch theory and seeking American permission, facing Raptor of the East....all fell flat on their face.....coming to tomorrows scenario.....we heard Karachi was very noisy last night but i guess we don't have any members who live near Kamra, Shorkot, Samungli etc......they were all filling airspace last night.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

@Ark_Angel ; @SQ8 ; @Windjammer

While we are discussing the Op Swift Retort and the SU-30 that hid behind a passenger plane; what was the real story behind the lone USAF straggler that intruded in the Pakistan airspace by "mistake"?

 

[litman]

In this aspect a critical analysis piece form @MastanKhan on this thread will make this discussion wide open for analysis rather than feel good factor.

you are a naughty boy.

 

[Raider 21]

@Knuckles @Ark_Angel
The damage is done with Opsec - unfortunately there are always folks jumping the gun whether it is the leaked phone call or excessive details in the article.

The focus should now be on countering what is coming(a matter of “when” and not “if“ so long as the current regime is in charge) which is going to be a much more difficult scenario with the aspects mentioned through training.

Depending upon the timeline, R.K cannot turn around the entirety of the IAF into a crack force but even 150 odd well trained and experienced combat leaders/pilots can make life hell for us or even push us out of our skies.

Which is why I am averse to the excessive celebrations of the 27th. we should not ever develop or let develop within our ranks levels of pride that lead to complacency.

Infact, all we’ve done is added a higher level of difficulty to the true “big one”.
SDRs and Meteors are what we know of, there are plenty of things we too are unaware of and that could get us and unlike them we don’t have deep pockets.

If I sound repetitive it is for the general audience - stop praising your looks in the mirror and try to change the entire nation in general. Be it the PAF or PIA, all are borne from the same lot that is Pakistanis and the general mentality is what will eventually reflect in.

Institutional memory only goes so far in fixing poor national mindset - our neighbor is testament to it.

Celebration should be OK, but just should not be overdone to be worshipped. The confidence restored in the country was definitely something PAF in modern times had never done before. Plus regarding Opsec, KT at least proved he's human and was away from the game for too long. His mistakes won't be judged as it is cultural to not question right or wrong when someone is senior, but it should be taken as an example of what not to do for the future.

 

[Genghis khan1]

the kill switch theory and seeking American permission

Kill switch or whatever, Capability is there, but not for Indians. US is not going to jeopardize its multiple billion dollar export Industry for Indians. Plus F-16s never left Pakistani territory.

 

[Safriz]

My dear, when Zia deposed Bhutto and his military regime even managed to get first batch of F-16s, the so called champions of democracy were in full flow claiming the F-16s came at the cost of our nuclear programme...fast forward....BB comes to power and NS has a trump card of adding nuclear list along with Khalistanis names handed over by PPP......NS gets sacked by Ishaq Khan and BB has a claim that he was giving up nuclear secrets....all in all, they came and went but the nuclear programme continued to progress at it's own pace.....similarly, pre 27th Feb, the kill switch theory and seeking American permission, facing Raptor of the East....all fell flat on their face.....coming to tomorrows scenario.....we heard Karachi was very noisy last night but i guess we don't have any members who live near Kamra, Shorkot, Samungli etc......they were all filling airspace last night.

You do realize that Ghulam Ishaq khan is the hero who from the civil government side, took the nuclear program under his wings,kept it funded , kept it secret and kept it running.
Without him, today we would have no nukes

 

[Windjammer]

You do realize that Ghulam Ishaq khan is the hero who from the civil government side, took the nuclear program under his wings,kept it funded , kept it secret and kept it running.
Without him, today we would have no nukes

No one is saying otherwise....there's a reason Americans referred to him as Mr Nuke.

 

[Genghis khan1]

I think the Americans could easily tell us if the MKI was in fact shot down or not. They surely have the satellite image of the crash.

I don’t think American have supernatural or God like magically powers.

 

[Signalian]

says who? please do not put fabricated claims.


There is nothing wrong with isreali electronics - they are the best. Unfortunately the end users are useless so what is the point.

You can believe what you want, i have no problem with that.

My point exact, Israelis wouldn't mess up electronics.

They were IDF. I am talking of Sextant Avionique (now Thales Avionics).

That was not the only component aboard that aircraft.

 

[Genghis khan1]

We have all three. With Visual Proofs of the destroyed bird. Have already shown it to reps of 02 x friendly countries(as per my knowledge) .They were impressed.Russian requests were For acccess were humbly declined.

Everybody is jibber jabbing that my buddy in AF, Sq ldr Jeera mechanic confirm me this or that. No one knows nothing here. Disappearing blip in mountain area doesn’t necessarily means It was destroyed.

There might be circumstantial conclusion based on sensor data, but if there was a clear evidence than PAF and Pakistan would have released it to embarrass Indians.

 

[Safriz]

Everybody is jibber jabbing that my buddy in AF, Sq ldr Jeera mechanic confirm me this or that. No one knows nothing here. Disappearing blip in mountain area doesn’t necessarily means It was destroyed.

There might be circumstantial conclusion based on sensor data, but if there was a clear evidence than PAF and Pakistan would have released it to embarrass Indians.

Nobody can convince a nay sayer.

 

[SQ8]

In this aspect a critical analysis piece from @MastanKhan on this thread will make this discussion wide open for analysis rather than feel good factor.

I hope you were not serious.
Only the critical part would be left of this thread..

My dear, when Zia deposed Bhutto and his military regime even managed to get first batch of F-16s, the so called champions of democracy were in full flow claiming the F-16s came at the cost of our nuclear programme...fast forward....BB comes to power and NS has a trump card of adding nuclear list along with Khalistanis names handed over by PPP......NS gets sacked by Ishaq Khan and BB has a claim that he was giving up nuclear secrets....all in all, they came and went but the nuclear programme continued to progress at it's own pace.....similarly, pre 27th Feb, the kill switch theory and seeking American permission, facing Raptor of the East....all fell flat on their face.....coming to tomorrows scenario.....we heard Karachi was very noisy last night but i guess we don't have any members who live near Kamra, Shorkot, Samungli etc......they were all filling airspace last night.

Could just be long pending exercises or could be something else - the Bhakts are desperate for a win beyond the desperation of a Mullah from a small town masjid who realized that he overslept and missed the diluted rooh afza at iftar and now cannot find any.

 

[Safriz]

Could just be long pending exercises or could be something else - the Bhakts are desperate for a win beyond the desperation of a Mullah from a small town masjid who realized that he overslept and missed the diluted rooh afza at iftar and now cannot find any.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

I hope you were not serious.
Only the critical part would be left of this thread..

Itnay baideed na bano sir ji.