JF-17 Block II, A Final Thunder & The FC-20 - Updates

[Manticore]

^ eagle hannon speculated that , but tell me , how can you remove a brand new bvr capable airframe from active duty while you are still flying 2nd / 3rd gen f-7 fighters?

 

[ziaulislam]

a fighter which on paper atleast is equal in performance to indian mig29(other than payload and range issue; which isnt an issue for us) and better than there mig21,mig27

a few months back Pak navy said it wont jf-17s.it a possiblity that these(block1) could be shifted to pak navy instead of old mirages who are doing this job right now

 

[razgriz19]

^ eagle hannon speculated that , but tell me , how can you remove a brand new bvr capable airframe from active duty while you are still flying 2nd / 3rd gen f-7 fighters?

either people are speculating too much or our air force have gone crazyy...
but im pretty sure PAF will keep these birds on front line till they complete their life. there is NO WAY PAF would retire these birds.

 

[araz]

either people are speculating too much or our air force have gone crazyy...
but im pretty sure PAF will keep these birds on front line till they complete their life. there is NO WAY PAF would retire these birds.

Its absolutely and positively the former. If you think that we are going to retire a plane built to our specification before we retire second hand mirages and F7PGs then you know where the talk is coming from. PAF and Pakistan just cannot afford such extravegence.
Araz

 

[krash]

thanx but the following link says block 1 will be retired,
An Update on JF-17 Block II ~ ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS

My man that is a blog. I can bet you good money that the person who wrote it took his news from the eagle hannon leak.

Why are we still revolving around the same issue which the source itself i.e. eagle hannon has explained? Its not retirement its reallocation.

 

[Arsalan]

here is an article regarding the JFT Blk-II published back in June. this is something we all wat to get true but it seems that things wont be as facinating as they sound!

ISLAMABAD - China's avionics industry is closing the gap with other avionics producers, with benefits flowing to Pakistan and new challenges emerging for the U.S.

Chinese aircraft are helping Pakistan maintain conventional deterrence toward India as New Delhi pursues cutting-edge technology to revamp its airpower. As a result, said Usman Shabbir, of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank, the new "JF-17 Block II [combat aircraft] may see a Chinese AESA [active electronically scanned array] radar along with an IRST [infrared search and track] sensor, and an even better ECM [electronic countermeasures] suite."

Wider advances by China's aviation industry would result in "greater use of composites to reduce the overall airframe weight" for the JF-17 Block II, and also a thrust vectoring control engine; though Shabbir conceded the latter "has never been officially confirmed."

Analyst Kaiser Tufail said an AESA radar is "the way to go," and that "all future [radar] acquisitions or retrofits would be AESA, whether mechanically scanned or phased-array type."

Tufail said the current JF-17 radar, a variant of which is fitted to the Chinese Chengdu J-10 combat jet, is an interim solution "because the [Pakistan Air Force] had been unable to find a radar vendor who could sell cutting-edge technology at an affordable price."

Tufail said Pakistan's acquisition of advanced Chinese avionics should not be seen through the prism of Indian programs, such as the Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft program. Rather, he said, it should be seen as Pakistan's effort to keep pace with modern weaponry.

And China benefits from its collaboration with Pakistan.

"Traditionally, the Chinese aviation industry has found an excellent test bed in the PAF, and their products have been, and can be, proven in ways that are not possible with [China's Air Force], due to limitations of comparative analysis in truly operational scenarios and with respect to Western equipment that PAF operates," he said.

As a result, a "Chinese AESA radar would, therefore, be a synergetic success in partnership with Pakistan," he said.

However, it is unknown whether the new JF-17 Block II radars are variants of those fitted to the improved J-10B. If that is the case, analyst and Chinese specialist Andrei Chang said the new radar is unlikely to be an AESA type.

"The phased-array radar testing on the J-10B is a passive model," he said.

Chang said he does not think the Chinese have developed "a useful AESA radar for the JF-17 and J-10B," but they could in the future.

"I know they are researching AESA radars, but it takes time," he said.

China's technological advances give potential adversaries cause for concern, Tufail said.

"As in many other fields like space and information technology, China is making a mark in major ways which impacts geostrategic and security issues," he said. "Technological developments like AESA radars would, thus, certainly have a bearing on the comfort levels of countries that have an adversarial relationship with China."

The potential threat posed by Chinese advances in avionics is an issue Carlo Kopp of the Air Power Australia think tank has tried to raise.

"Chinese technology is a mix of reverse-engineered Western and Russian designs, and some often very good indigenous ideas," he said. The danger this poses is clear.

"As the Chinese advance and proliferate these products, they are increasingly narrowing the range of environments in which Western air forces and navies can operate," Kopp said.

 

[PakShaheen79]

It may look like this eventually...
Military Photoshops: Stealthy Jf17 block 2 its maiden flight

 

[Dark Eagle]

what about J-11b??........ i think Pakistan wouldn't buy.

---------- Post added at 04:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:30 AM ----------

JF-17 block II upgrade version of JF-17... Improvement on RADAR system

 

[Dark Eagle]

Ahh that's great but Pakistan need to work on fifth generation

 

[Pakistanisage]

^ eagle hannon speculated that , but tell me , how can you remove a brand new bvr capable airframe from active duty while you are still flying 2nd / 3rd gen f-7 fighters?

It is more likely that Pakistan may try to sell the earlier versions of JF-17 I's to third world Air Forces after the deal is approved by China.

 

[Luftwaffe]

The thread title has to change, no Aircraft is Final Block the example of that would be Mirages, F-16 blocks, F-15 and so on..Thunders and FC-20 would be going through many inputs over the next 2-3 decades.

 

[PakShaheen79]

^^ i think by final it means the final specifications of Thunder Block II and FC-20.

 

[isi admirer]

what about mairages and other planes which are going tobe retired is their any coutomer for them or what will happen to them can any body help me out in this....

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Just one Query to respected senior members.

PAF is going to induct large number of JF-17 to replace old plane, F-7, mirrage 3/5 and A5.While IAF is going to induct large number of Su30MKI to replace old planes.Dont you think, in future Jf-17 would be direct competition with Su30MKI.Currently JF-17 specification looks not equal to Su-30 MKI.So, would'nt it be imballance.?

I know, FC-20, F16 are there but to counter MMRCA(Typhon/rafale).

 

[muse]

JF-17 specification looks not equal to Su-30 MKI.So, would'nt it be imballance.?

This most curious - should the specs be equal to be effective?