JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[Meliodas]

Can anyone share more details of live virtual construct in B3

 

[Madafacka Jones]

JF-17 empty weight = 7965kg
M2K empty weight = 7500kg

So the JF-17 is almost 500kg heavier than the Mirage 2000 now?

 

[Riz]

All 7 operational thunder squadrons , 140 plus thunders are now operational with 50 plus blk3 in waiting list …wow

 

[arjunk]

Hearing some rather... interesting things about Block IV. Of course, as we learned from Block III, nothing is 100% at this stage.

 

[Bossman]

I have grown up enough to know that you make absolutely no sense.

Here is a PDF of the F16 for the world to see. I had to compress it in quality to upload it. It is so high quality that even after compression it looks great!
Was poor graphics work and silly formatting mistakes also part of the stealth plan from PAC Kamra? The random capital alphabets, the lack of consistency? Must be stealth too!?

Meanwhile at Lockheed Martin....

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Now you have all the info, go buy an F16. BTW what do mean by growing up “enough”. What is “enough”. You want precise data about JF17 but make ambiguous statements about your age.

 

[alimobin memon]

Being software engineer I can tell you that the information is not part of development its the content provider who tells the developer to put this material in site. Person responsible is not IT guy as u say but the guy who gave the information on what to type sections of website.

 

[[--Leo--]]

I am still confused Pease someone answer my question
Does RD-93 support 3 axis fly-by-wire?
Not RD-93MA i am asking for RD-93 only which is in block 3 also

 

[maverick1977]

Total load capacity
Block 2 (3400lb)
Block 3 3400kg (7495lb)View attachment 816985View attachment 816986

something is wrong with blk3 specifications published.

 

[musaji]

I am still confused Pease someone answer my question
Does RD-93 support 3 axis fly-by-wire?
Not RD-93MA i am asking for RD-93 only which is in block 3 also

There is no Rd-93MA in Block 3. It is still the same engine. The 3 axis fly-by-wire has nothing to do with the engine.

 

[ziaulislam]

JF-17 empty weight = 7965kg
M2K empty weight = 7500kg

So the JF-17 is almost 500kg heavier than the Mirage 2000 now?

Hence i feel for the first time without engine change its now underpowered

Once its get new engine like mriage 2000 got later blocks it will be agaun appropiate but with block 3 weight gain and same engine its under powered

Pakistan ordered just 30 block 3

Is it due to ending the program at 150 or is it due to new engine wait

Will have to wait & see

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan produces 12-18 Units on average year and may be 18-24 , when export orders exist
So Announcing 30 Units is not extraordinary , it is planned manufacturing over multiple year
Likely assuming 14 Units per year, which is the average

The Block III Tweaks have been going on for good 2-3 years plus

As for the Engine I feel , moving to Chinese Engine is ideal choice for Thunders maturing , for Block III

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

something is wrong with blk3 specifications published.

Maybe it's intentional....

 

[Madafacka Jones]

Hence i feel for the first time without engine change its now underpowered

Once its get new engine like mriage 2000 got later blocks it will be agaun appropiate but with block 3 weight gain and same engine its under powered

Pakistan ordered just 30 block 3

Is it due to ending the program at 150 or is it due to new engine wait

Will have to wait & see

At this point, will the RD-93MA even be enough tho?

It has a reported AB thrust of 20,500lb (9300kgf).

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The M53-P2 (which the latest variants of M2K use) has a more powerful thrust of 21,400lb which is > RD-93MA, despite the M2K being a lighter aircraft than the Block-3 now.

Gripen NG is only 35kg heavier than the Block-3, yet it's F414 provides a thrust of 22,000lb.

If this empty weight is true, the PAF might as well wait it out for the WS-19.

 

[ziaulislam]

At this point, will the RD-93MA even be enough tho?

It has a reported AB thrust of 20,500lb (9300kgf).

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The M53-P2 (which the latest variants of M2K use) has a more powerful thrust of 21,400lb which is > RD-93MA, despite the M2K being a lighter aircraft than the Block-3 now.

Gripen NG is only 35kg heavier than the Block-3, yet it's F414 provides a thrust of 22,000lb.

If this empty weight is true, the PAF might as well wait it out for the WS-19.

Rd93 ma has wet thrust of ~ 93kn= 21000
And dry of 57kn =13000lb

This is within 1% same as m53-p2

Now f414 has 4-5% more thrust

Chinese alternative will be an option

 

[FuturePAF]

Pakistan produces 12-18 Units on average year and may be 18-24 , when export orders exist
So Announcing 30 Units is not extraordinary , it is planned manufacturing over multiple year
Likely assuming 14 Units per year, which is the average

The Block III Tweaks have been going on for good 2-3 years plus

As for the Engine I feel , moving to Chinese Engine is ideal choice for Thunders maturing , for Block III

Perhaps there has already been a commitment made by the Pakistani and Chinese sides to procure the RD-93MA in principle, when it is ready, so that Russian industry would fund its development. Also, so that the Russians wouldn’t produce a product to challenge the JF-17 in the 4th Generation light fighter market.

The RD-93 could be in use with the J-35, and therefore a better performing RD-93MA would be beneficial to that program as well, when it is ready.

All this because only in the past few years has the J-35 programs seems to have been given the green light, and it may take some time before the performance of the WS-13/19 engine will exceed the performance of the RD-93MA.

Once, the WS-13/19 matured enough to reach max thrust of at least 120kn (equal to that of the F-414EPE), it may be worth putting it on new built JF-17s.