JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[The Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1225917323569135616

A birdie once said that T/R of KLJ-7A may be well over 4 digits even with two zeros in the end of figure. Well, I say that it may be from 1000 to 1200+ or ++.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

I am not sure why we should field SOM when we have demonstrated our capability to design, develop and manufacture ALCM for years now.

We should make our own conventional ALCM suited for JFT is what I would hope for.

Why re-invent the wheel???

 

[Goku]

Will Turks allow integration of their weapons on a Chinese radar? Or vice versa?

 

[Bilal.]

Why re-invent the wheel???

What are you talking about? I didn’t get you?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

What are you talking about?

Why hire new scientists, produce a new supply chain, open a production facility when you can buy off shelf???

 

[Bilal.]

Why hire new scientists, produce a new supply chain, open a production facility when you can buy off shelf???

It’s a demonstrated capability that just needs to be tweaked. And why do you have the import mentality, by the same logic why did we make any system locally when it could have been done by buying off the shelf?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

It’s a demonstrated capability that just needs to be tweaked. And why do you have the import mentality, by the same logic why did we make any system locally when it could have been done off the shelf?

Don't want to import enter a JV. You also have to consider the financial POV. We are not a rich country which can open projects on public expanse.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Damn that's really good. I assume it's far longer range for a fighter jet as huge(with no stealth features) as Su30 MKI. If as per Khafee Pak does get F16V upgrades(along with new ones)...it would effectively neutralize the hundreds of Su30 MKIs in IAF fleet(at least on paper).

You need AAM to for that too. Get AIM 120D then

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Here is a screen grab.

Can't it be Zarb?

 

[Bilal.]

Don't want to import enter a JV. You also have to consider the financial POV. We are not a rich country which can open projects on public expanse.

Buddy, we have a working system already in place. Any conventional version will be based of a work already done. Buying off the shelf is more expensive. For instance, just check at what price US sells systems like JDAM vs what they procure it at including profits for company. It’s 5-6 times difference.

Can't it be Zarb?

It’s a C802, please check the video in the link I shared a few posts back.

 

[Shabi1]

SOM Integration on F-16 is questionable, however JF-17 could be a suitable candidate.

With the ability to already carry CM-400AKG the SOM seems irrelevant. Besides there is also the H4 series rocket assisted glide bombs.

Will Turks allow integration of their weapons on a Chinese radar? Or vice versa?

JF-17 has had a open architecture since beginning. Integration work being done by Pakistan so as long as a supplier has no issue selling a system to Pakistan there is no issue. We already have Turkish pods working on JF-17s.

 

[StormBreaker]

A birdie once said that T/R of KLJ-7A may be well over 4 digits even with two zeros in the end of figure. Well, I say that it may be from 1000 to 1200+ or ++.

This is not the first time i have heard 1200

But then again, it’s assumption

Will Turks allow integration of their weapons on a Chinese radar? Or vice versa?

Since Turks don’t have anything to offer in terms of Radar, they would be left with no choice but to allow.

Don't want to import enter a JV. You also have to consider the financial POV. We are not a rich country which can open projects on public expanse.

Actually we can...

You need AAM to for that too. Get AIM 120D then


Can't it be Zarb?

This is a Block 3 thread

SOM Integration on F-16 is questionable, however JF-17 could be a suitable candidate.

Even though we have RAAD available for that job as well as RAAD 2 with 550km range,
SOM can also very be used on thunders due to one of their special feature of 2 variants.

SOM-B1 Uses imaging/Infrared tracking (IR Seeker) at terminal stage, it’s range is 250KM.

SOM-B2 uses dual-Stage penetrator to penetrate deep into strategic targets such as enemy HQ or Depot/Underground Jet Facility.

SOM-J is being developed for use inside weapon bays, will be miniaturized as well as will have a lesser range of 180KM. If Pakistan, in near future decides to take J-20/J-31 as well before AZM, SOM-J could be pursued.

All these variants mentioned above are connected to Data link and can be guided at terminal stage.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

SOM-B1 Uses imaging/Infrared tracking (IR Seeker) at terminal stage, it’s range is 250KM.

SOM-B2 uses dual-Stage penetrator to penetrate deep into strategic targets such as enemy HQ or Depot/Underground Jet Facility.

SOM-J is being developed for use inside weapon bays, will be miniaturized as well as will have a lesser range of 180KM. If Pakistan, in near future decides to take J-20/J-31 as well before AZM, SOM-J could be pursued.

All these variants mentioned above are connected to Data link and can be guided at terminal stage.

Why not trying to integerate Denel Raptor 3 on Block 3? It has a range upto 300km
@Signalian @denel

 

[StormBreaker]

Why not trying to integerate Denel Raptor 3 on Block 3? It has a range upto 300km8
@Signalian @denel

That’s actually a very decent SOM, @denel something from your country that i would actually like to be bought by PAF.

All the variants of Turkish SOM combined and Raptor lll alone features all elements of B1,B2 and Ability to be linked to Common Linked Network (Link 17), 250<R<300km, Ability to penetrate deep into hardened/tough targets as well as terminal guidance through IR seeker or Link.

However, does it have terrain hugging and Low RCS capability and design ?

https://www.janes.com/article/43441/long-range-raptor-iii-goes-on-display-aad143

 

[MIRauf]

Doubt that the USA will allow AIM-120C mating with the JF-17 even if it carries Western Radar, ( not stating that PAF is / will not be able to mate it or lacks the capability. ) The risk of suspension of Spare parts for the F-16 fleet would be too much for PAF to risk it, I am 99% sure if not certain ( sorry unable to provide documents to back it ) that clause of sale is that these weapons will only be used with F-16s.

Last I knew / read was that USA was not to pleased with the mating of the AIM-9 series on the F-6 platforms.

As far comment on JF-17 Block-III having J31 DNA ? first of all no one knows if J-31 has any DNA except for the outer shell, so that comment is pure speculation based on personal opinion, now if you say J-10c / J-20 as someone stated in one of the above post than one will likely agree on that even if no proof is available to validate the statement.

As for 6-8 JF-17 attacking IoJK backed by Chinese AEW / AWACS, well there were F-16 providing top cover along with a Blinder, so we will still have to wait to validate true capabilities of Chinese EW for now.

 

[imadul]

That article is referring to the LKF601E (before it was given the name). Until now, NRIET was just showing the KLJ-7A as-is (liquid cooled), but at some point, offered the PAF an air cooled version. Let's hope they changed the TRMs from GaA to GaN too (fully optimize it for light weight and compact internal space).

IMO, this is unrealistic to expect. GaA to GaN will require a different fabrication process at the semiconductor substrate and wafer level which will increase development and testing costs. And doing it for 50 +10 copies only wont justify economy of scales.