JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[AMRAAM]

Idiot anchor.

 

[CriticalThought]

Fuel tanks do exist behind the green "panels".

The access door below the canopy root clearly shows a fuel pipe (yellow) connecting the mid section fuel tank with the fuel tank below the canopy (Pic # 2).

There will be no access doors on green shaded area.

Fuel tanks are vacant sealed cavities where fuel can be stored. Usually other components are not positioned inside these cavities except those related to fuel transfer and fuel flow/level sensors. If data cables, electrical wires are to pass through these tanks, these are insulated inside sealed tubings routed across the fuel tank compartment.

Generally this type of arrangement which we observe on JF-17 can rarely be seen on other aircraft. JF-17 being a small aircraft fitted with most modern packages installed, need smart use of space not only catering space for these components, wires, cables, connecting fuel tubings but also for sufficient amount of fuel to have optimum combat range. Above all of this, aircraft CG (shifting with the fuel consumption) is also being catered

Jf-17 is no doubt a gem model of engineering solutions!!!!!

PS: For those of our respected members who think fuel tanks should not be located on the side of the cockpit, as this arrangement will endanger pilots' safety, I will add here that fuel in these compartments is being used in the initial phase ie taxiing, TO and so on. Complete fuel and its vapours in these compartments can be sucked while transferring the fuel to main tank. Please also note that there are aircraft having fuel tanks located just behind the pilot's seat!!!!.

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Please do not confuse the issue further. The green panels extend all the way to the front of the aircraft under the HUD. Are you saying fuel is being stored under the HUD?

 

[HRK]

The opened panel in between mid section fuel compartment and fuel compartment below canopy, shown in Pic # 2 of my previous post, clearly reveals that the connecting tube is connecting mid section fuel tank to the fuel compartment located below the canopy

there is no fuel compartment below the canopy or around cockpit ....

plz try to find pic of cockpit from inside .... you will observe how thin the sides of the cockpit.

 

[DJ_Viper]

Many years ago, there were images of MERS, why hasn't there been any video of those? Are there plans to use those because they will increase the hardpoints anyway due to it's multiple ejection capabilities. Thoughts......? Also, why isn't a larger drop tank being designed for centerline, to empty out two hardpoints, potentially adding more BVR weapons in addition to MERS?

@HRK @Dazzler @Marker

 

[arjunk]

Where is the big breaking news we were supposed to hear on september 6?

 

[Marker]

Please do not confuse the issue further. The green panels extend all the way to the front of the aircraft under the HUD. Are you saying fuel is being stored under the HUD?

HUD is located inside the cockpit. There is no pic revealing green shade (primer) under the HUD. The green shade is visible outside the cockpit module.

Unless you are part of the tech team working or affiliated with JF-17 and wanted to share tech info with us, I will appreciate not to criticise my comments as these are all based on visual and verbal authentic sources available on the net.

Note that location of IFR for both A and B model is always below the canopy slightly forward of engine intake over the green shaded area. We can safely infer that there is a cavity arranged behind the green shaded area to store fuel.

Interestingly there is a push button panel on the green shaded area!!!

Could it house fuel filler cap for ground refuelling???

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

Where is the big breaking news we were supposed to hear on september 6?

Anything related to Airforce would be on 7th i guess

 

[SD 10]

Where is the big breaking news we were supposed to hear on september 6?

who said anything about big news?

 

[arjunk]

Anything related to Airforce would be on 7th i guess

Hmm, I heard this last year too...

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

who said anything about big news?

A seniore mod
@The Eagle ..... Where is the news you claimed yesterday ?

 

[HRK]

Many years ago, there were images of MERS, why hasn't there been any video of those? Are there plan to use those because they will increase the hardpoints anyway due to it's multiple ejection capabilities. Thoughts......? Also, why isn't a larger drop tank being designed for centerline, to empty out two hardpoints, potentially adding more BVR weapons in addition to MERS?

@HRK @Dazzler @Marker

can't comment about other thing you discuss .... but for larger centerline fuel tank may be issue is related to ground clearance

 

[ziaulislam]

The idiot kept pushing the dual seater as some new thing. We have see Block 2B variants before on TV. But completely missed the Block 3, which even the Flt Lt., stated was standing right there. Hosts like these have such a cringe factor. What a waste of of such a greater opportunity.

When one of the flt officers said I am from Quetta, the only thing the idiot could say was "you dont look like you are from Quetta...you look Lahori". Instead of taking this as a small opportunity to give a message of unity, the idiot gave a strange ethnic exclusionary joke. Basically saying Quetta is for people who dont look like you.

Then what was up with the fake Ray Ban's throughout the program. Cringe!!

Its very common for people of balochistan and KPK to hear these remarks..i am sure he is use to it by now..

Fuel tanks do exist behind the green "panels".

The access door below the canopy root clearly shows a fuel pipe (yellow) connecting the mid section fuel tank with the fuel tank below the canopy (Pic # 2).

There will be no access doors on green shaded area.

Fuel tanks are vacant sealed cavities where fuel can be stored. Usually other components are not positioned inside these cavities except those related to fuel transfer and fuel flow/level sensors. If data cables, electrical wires are to pass through these tanks, these are insulated inside sealed tubings routed across the fuel tank compartment.

Generally this type of arrangement which we observe on JF-17 can rarely be seen on other aircraft. JF-17 being a small aircraft fitted with most modern packages installed, need smart use of space not only catering space for these components, wires, cables, connecting fuel tubings but also for sufficient amount of fuel to have optimum combat range. Above all of this, aircraft CG (shifting with the fuel consumption) is also being catered

Jf-17 is no doubt a gem model of engineering solutions!!!!!

PS: For those of our respected members who think fuel tanks should not be located on the side of the cockpit, as this arrangement will endanger pilots' safety, I will add here that fuel in these compartments is being used in the initial phase ie taxiing, TO and so on. Complete fuel and its vapours in these compartments can be sucked while transferring the fuel to main tank. Please also note that there are aircraft having fuel tanks located just behind the pilot's seat!!!!.

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Shh..they will call you an idiot

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

Its very common for people of balochistan and KPK to hear these remarks..i am sure he is use to it by now..

The Hum tv documentary was much better....

can't comment about other thing you discuss .... but for larger centerline fuel tank may be issue is related to ground clearance

Could we see conformal fuel tanks for (Mod edit: It is JF-17)?

 

[Akh1112]

Wonder what radar is selected. The Italian AESA or the air cooled Chinese AESA or the more expensive and powerful liquid cooled one?

Dazzler said a hybrid of the liquid and air cooled one so it is a third type of options from Chinese?

More hardpoints? How is that going to fit? Will it just be hardpoint compatible with two or three rack pylon? Too much stress for engine otherwise I think. The carrying capacity increase should only be done by using one fuel tank rather than two or three. And use the wing fuel tanks for missiles since BVR is the main purpose anyway it can fire off the BVR missiles in closer ranges and the fuel is more than enough to stay around to guide the missiles until active seeking.

Anyway woo hoo this fighter is being produced. If it has decent AESA and with PL-15 and PL-10 with range extended from more internal fuel tanks with no loss in electronics, it should be like a much cheaper equivalent of Gripen NG with Meteor. Finally with new missiles and AESA radar the two most important aspect of bringing 4th generation to modern 4.5 generation. For the price of one Gripen NG, PAF can probably get three equipped JF-17 Block 3. Also it is build by Pakistan and PAC has all the technology involved in at least building the aircraft which buying will never offer.

Hope it achieves some greater security for Pakistan without damaging the budget.

Air cooled klj-7a

 

[ziaulislam]

can't comment about other thing you discuss .... but for larger centerline fuel tank may be issue is related to ground clearance

I wonder why wasnt ground clearence improved..may be the space penalty for large gear was too much

Jf17 needs a more fuel/ endurance especially with the new engine rd93ma