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JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

Do you think if goes Super sukhoi, US would allow us V upgrades ?

Just your thoughts, not information.

Reason being, balance will be out apparently, F-16s will still be a trouble for IAF but IAF can get significantly better with Super Sukhoi. And if India all together refuses any US offers for MRCA, why would US not want business with us then ?
their one more option for us for upgrade our older F-16, that Turkey is developing AESA/state of art avionics to upgrade their F-16, we might consider this also
By getting super sukhoi, they woulf get new missiles like K77/R77M. For that u need atleast F 16V with AIM120D
may be we able to get V upgrade for our F-16 but without AIM-120D, tell me how many country USA sells AIM-120D, not even single country imported AIM-120D from USA
 
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Chinese Military Aviation Blogspot dated 29-12-2019

"The first JF-17 Block III prototype (#3000) just returned to the CAC airfield from its maiden flight on December 15, 2019. As the latest variant of JF-17, Block III carries PAF's ambition to counter IAF's most powerful 3.5th generation fighter Rafale. The aircraft is expected to feature a more powerful engine (WS-13E? 9,000kg class), a new AESA radar developed by NETRI/14th Institute (KLJ-7A, range 170km, track 15, engage 4) or by the 607 Institute (LKF601E, air cooled), HMDS, IRST, upgraded EW suite, new datalink, full authority digital FBW and a variety of air-to-air and air-to-ground guided weapons including PL-10E IIR guided AAM as well as PL-15E active radar homing AAM (using twin launch rails). Additional hard points are installed including ones underneath the engine air intake for ECM or targeting pod. Images of the first flight indicated the JF-17 Block III prototype features a J-20 style narrow frame wide-angle holographic HUD (EHUD-2?), a slightly enlarged spine, and new forward MAWS sensors behind the engine air intakes. The rear MAWS sensors were relocated to the EW compartment on top of the vertical tail fin as well. Otherwise the overall aerodynamic configuration remains the unchanged and the aircraft is still powered by the original RD-93 engine."

PS Chinese 3.5th generation aircraft equals world's 4.5th generation aircraft!!!!

PAF will not agree to install Chinese WS-13E engine on JF-17 because RD-93 (MA???) already produces 78 kN to 98 kN thrust. (Wikipedia refers following Klimov poster at Zhuhai 2010 airshow)

https://web.archive.org/web/20180524222821if_/http://i56.tinypic.com/n3vu4x.jpg

RD-93 is also a proven engine on JF-17. Also refer following article published in Defence Industry Bulletin.
(Image posted by @khanasifm, refer https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17-to-get-a-new-engine-rd-93ma-with-9300kgf-thrust.193184/page-8)

Date of publication is not available on this image but the article was written during June-July 2015.
A very informative article with lot of technical details on WS-13 and RD-33/93 design evolution. Some of the salient features of modified engines are:
(1) Improved inlet fans design resulting in increase in fan speed and/or increase in mass flow.
(2) Modified combustion chamber.
(3) Modified LP and HP turbine to compensate higher turbine inlet temperatures.
(4) Engine exhaust nozzles by increasing secondary air flow.
(5) A full authority digital engine control (FADEC) and efficient hydro-mechanical fuel control.

After 4.5 years, can we assume that currently PAF is operating JF-17 powered by upgraded RD-93 MA which produces 93kN wet thrust??????



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FADEC
 

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Only the serial production is starting next near at AMF.

2 Block 3's will be joining PAF next month. A few things need to be done before AMF can handle Block 3's.


Also, AMF is running at full capacity as far as 2020 is concerned. If we secure 'that' order, PAF might as well have to invest in another facility. Its all good news. Have patience.

8 more for Nigeria are confirmed, Senegal is looking for 6 blk 2s initially. Egypt is the dark horse, but Azeris are keen for blk 3.
 
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8 more for Nigeria are confirmed, Senegal is looking for 6 blk 2s initially. Egypt is the dark horse, but Azeris are keen for blk 3.

Means 8 in addition to the 3 that Nigeria ordered initially?
 
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PL-15 have only recently arrived. IAF's Mig 21 bisons cannot track and engage targets on their own with an R77. They require a Su-30 or any other AI radar of a more powerful aircraft nearby.

Bison's radar barely tracks 50 km head on and 25 km in pursuit with a below average 40 degree TWS upfront. Yet we see it carrying R77.

Most of max ranges are at very high altitude typical engagement ranges 10-30 nautical miles in bvr

I would not sweet on it
 
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Thanks for watching videos and sharing .

Shaheen is talking about block 3 though... This is block 2

Yes, the video shows JF-17 Block 2 takeoff and landing approach.

However, pictures of JF-17 Block 3 S# 3000 shared recently shows landing approach only.
This can be easily inferred by seeing the opening of engine exhaust nozzle. The nozzle is fully open and no flames are coming out (ie no afterburner) clearly reveals that the engine is set to "idle" (minimum engine rpm setting). This can only possible during landing phase. Moreover flaps are also in down position.

If engine is set to mil setting (100% rpm setting), the engine exhaust nozzle will converge to "close" position (minimum engine exhaust opening) but if engine is set to max power ie afterburner is selected than engine exhaust nozzle will open with flames coming out of exhaust.

Hmmm IRST was not seen in Blk 3 maiden flight pics

May be integration of IRST, AESA radar, HUD ad HMD are simultaneous or subsequent processes...
Configuring an "extremely capable" aircraft will take some time
It is better to wait till March 2020.
 
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