JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[Windjammer]

Some more info on the Block-3 and the designated weapons and electronic package.
Personally all this is alien stuff to me but perhaps @Oscar can shed some light on it.


''Its almost unfair to compare Block-3 with the first two Blocks. Its pretty much like comparing a old non-MLU Block-15 with Block-52...simply no comparison! Also, Block-3 is featuring military-grade strength construction with newer composite materials further reducing the weight, increasing the airframe life of the JF and reducing its RCS from some angles too. The AESA radar will be the real game-changer cus its pretty much a stealthy radar, very difficult to detect and jam and can effectively operate in ECM environments. But after AESA the jewel in the crown will be the mating of PL-10 with the helmet and EO/IR sensor.

The PL-10 is just like the German IRST (Infra-Red Search and Tracking)...is a short-range high off-boresight imaging, infra-red-guided missile. It features thrust-vectoring giving the weapon a 90°off-bore sight capability. Now compare that with our current F-16 fleet. The AIM-9Ms we got have a high off-boresight shooting capability of 30 degrees on either side meaning the pilots can give that 'dirty look' uptill 30 degrees. This one has 90 degrees on both sides, same as the USAF AIM-9X, meaning there's no escape as the pilot turn his head all the way to the back. Rumour is the PL-10 features a laser proximity fuse meaning it can auto self-destruct if the laser senses that the PL-10 is about to miss the target but is close enough to cause enough damage by going kaboom so it'll go off. And once mated with the HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) it can obtain lock-on both before and after launch as well.
Tidbit of the EO/IR sensor...Pilots will be able to clearly see what aircraft is coming with what weapon load some 40-60km away and what manoeuvres are being performed...they can even turn their radars off making Block-3s detection even more difficult...passive scanning and detection at its best. So once both these add-ons are incorporated you can see why the edge of the IAF, especially the Rafales and the rest of the IAF fleet will be significantly blunted. This is the reason why this latest Shaheen-7 caused so much distress to our neighbours''.

 

[CriticalThought]

Some more info on the Block-3 and the designated weapons and electronic package.
Personally all this is alien stuff to me but perhaps @Oscar can shed some light on it.


''Its almost unfair to compare Block-3 with the first two Blocks. Its pretty much like comparing a old non-MLU Block-15 with Block-52...simply no comparison! Also, Block-3 is featuring military-grade strength construction with newer composite materials further reducing the weight, increasing the airframe life of the JF and reducing its RCS from some angles too. The AESA radar will be the real game-changer cus its pretty much a stealthy radar, very difficult to detect and jam and can effectively operate in ECM environments. But after AESA the jewel in the crown will be the mating of PL-10 with the helmet and EO/IR sensor.

The PL-10 is just like the German IRST (Infra-Red Search and Tracking)...is a short-range high off-boresight imaging, infra-red-guided missile. It features thrust-vectoring giving the weapon a 90°off-bore sight capability. Now compare that with our current F-16 fleet. The AIM-9Ms we got have a high off-boresight shooting capability of 30 degrees on either side meaning the pilots can give that 'dirty look' uptill 30 degrees. This one has 90 degrees on both sides, same as the USAF AIM-9X, meaning there's no escape as the pilot turn his head all the way to the back. Rumour is the PL-10 features a laser proximity fuse meaning it can auto self-destruct if the laser senses that the PL-10 is about to miss the target but is close enough to cause enough damage by going kaboom so it'll go off. And once mated with the HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) it can obtain lock-on both before and after launch as well.
Tidbit of the EO/IR sensor...Pilots will be able to clearly see what aircraft is coming with what weapon load some 40-60km away and what manoeuvres are being performed...they can even turn their radars off making Block-3s detection even more difficult...passive scanning and detection at its best. So once both these add-ons are incorporated you can see why the edge of the IAF, especially the Rafales and the rest of the IAF fleet will be significantly blunted. This is the reason why this latest Shaheen-7 caused so much distress to our neighbours''.

Naaaraaaaaa-e-Takbeer!!!! Allahu Akbar!!!!!

Masha Allah. Alhamdulillah. A very big boost for PAF in both the BVR and WVR arenas. Higher reliability, better maintenance. Dream come true!

 

[denel]

Some more info on the Block-3 and the designated weapons and electronic package.
Personally all this is alien stuff to me but perhaps @Oscar can shed some light on it.


''Its almost unfair to compare Block-3 with the first two Blocks. Its pretty much like comparing a old non-MLU Block-15 with Block-52...simply no comparison! Also, Block-3 is featuring military-grade strength construction with newer composite materials further reducing the weight, increasing the airframe life of the JF and reducing its RCS from some angles too. The AESA radar will be the real game-changer cus its pretty much a stealthy radar, very difficult to detect and jam and can effectively operate in ECM environments. But after AESA the jewel in the crown will be the mating of PL-10 with the helmet and EO/IR sensor.

The PL-10 is just like the German IRST (Infra-Red Search and Tracking)...is a short-range high off-boresight imaging, infra-red-guided missile. It features thrust-vectoring giving the weapon a 90°off-bore sight capability. Now compare that with our current F-16 fleet. The AIM-9Ms we got have a high off-boresight shooting capability of 30 degrees on either side meaning the pilots can give that 'dirty look' uptill 30 degrees. This one has 90 degrees on both sides, same as the USAF AIM-9X, meaning there's no escape as the pilot turn his head all the way to the back. Rumour is the PL-10 features a laser proximity fuse meaning it can auto self-destruct if the laser senses that the PL-10 is about to miss the target but is close enough to cause enough damage by going kaboom so it'll go off. And once mated with the HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) it can obtain lock-on both before and after launch as well.
Tidbit of the EO/IR sensor...Pilots will be able to clearly see what aircraft is coming with what weapon load some 40-60km away and what manoeuvres are being performed...they can even turn their radars off making Block-3s detection even more difficult...passive scanning and detection at its best. So once both these add-ons are incorporated you can see why the edge of the IAF, especially the Rafales and the rest of the IAF fleet will be significantly blunted. This is the reason why this latest Shaheen-7 caused so much distress to our neighbours''.

what is the specific question? This is nothing alien about helmet mounted sights and high off bore AAms; this very 'simplistic' methodology has been around for a very very long time - fielded in late 70s' when it was rudimentary. Close proximity is well but remember there is a high risk associated with it too if in a crowded field. While PL-10 is good- the real game changer will be A-darter if brought in at a later stage. I had said this long before this is where jf-17 will cross the rubicon once this capability is achieved.

 

[Maxpane]

great news

 

[Windjammer]

what is the specific question? This is nothing alien about helmet mounted sights and high off bore AAms; this very 'simplistic' methodology has been around for a very very long time - fielded in late 70s' when it was rudimentary. Close proximity is well but remember there is a high risk associated with it too if in a crowded field. While PL-10 is good- the real game changer will be A-darter if brought in at a later stage. I had said this long before this is where jf-17 will cross the rubicon once this capability is achieved.

The Germans were launching the V-2 rocket during the second world war but the missile technology didn't come to our part of the world until 80s, similarly even if the HM/OBS has been around since 70s, how many air forces in our region can boast of this technology the same can be said for AESA radar.
There was a lot of talk about A-darter earlier but seems to have fizzled out.

 

[denel]

The Germans were launching the V-2 rocket during the second world war but the missile technology didn't come to our part of the world until 80s, similarly even if the HM/OBS has been around since 70s, how many air forces in our region can boast of this technology the same can be said for AESA radar.
There was a lot of talk about A-darter earlier but seems to have fizzled out.

yes, i dont think A-darter is on the roadmap for now at least.

 

[Liquidmetal]

While PL-10 is good- the real game changer will be A-darter if brought in at a later stage. I had said this long before this is where jf-17 will cross the rubicon once this capability is achieved.

It would be very interesting if you can expand more on your statement. Why would the A-Darter be a game changer? How does it improve beyond the ability of the HMS+PL10 combo. TIA.

 

[sathya]

No. Of elements, power rating , range , tracking & engaging capacity of KLJ aesa radar will be classified ?

Or we ll come to know because of exports

 

[Dazzler]

Candidate for the HMDS of blk 3...

 

[Maxpane]

Candidate for the HMDS of blk 3...

j 20 sir?

 

[Dazzler]

j 20 sir?

Yep, a version of this is offered for blk 3.

 

[Maxpane]

Yep, a version of this is offered for blk 3.

thats great news sir. apart from hmd is there ant technology which we are going to get from j 20 sir?

 

[Dazzler]

Some changes are there..

 

[Maxpane]

Some changes are there..

where sir?

 

[Dazzler]

where sir?

In the blk 3.