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JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

Unfortunately, most of us are internet warriors having less in regard to authentic information. I must say that, thanks to the informed members like you & others that we sometime read viola update negating all the negativity.

On topic: We are somehow expecting a good news in regard to AESA for Block-III, which is still not decided as far as information is available in public domain. I read (thanks to @HRK as well for posting a link recently as a refresher) that there are three contenders from China having KLJ7A in two versions (Air & Liquid Cooled) and LKF601E (air cooled) having smaller size/easy to fit in current nose cone/setup for Thunder in addition to possibility of Italian Vixen. Then after, we may be able to see the first flight by start of next year. So that pretty much isolated the discussion having no further information on subject.

Senior members have hinted about a domestic aesa radar under development...
We must remember that jf-17 b3 is being envisioned to counter the future of IAF ..
With the eventual change in the dynamics of military confrontation in south asia. PAF wants b3 to handles the dynamic environment which is slowly materializing..

B3 will implement technology that might stun people here and elsewhere.
Similar as to when the first jf-17 rolled out in the beginning of 2000
 
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Senior members have hinted about a domestic aesa radar under development...
We must remember that jf-17 b3 is being envisioned to counter the future of IAF ..
With the eventual change in the dynamics of military confrontation in south asia. PAF wants b3 to handles the dynamic environment which is slowly materializing..

B3 will implement technology that might stun people here and elsewhere.
Similar as to when the first jf-17 rolled out in the beginning of 2000

There is no disagreement in regard to possible Block-III capabilities. However, my point was in regard to official information as of yet for AESA options. I do remember that in-house AESA solution with the help of friends. Also, home made AESA radar will help us to arm Thunder with the available weapons either from West or East having our independence for source codes that mostly Western OEMs shows reluctance due to secrecy of their weapon being exposed to Chinese Radar/OEMs. I am sure, in-house AESA Radar solution was the result of same issue from Western OEMs and it is a fact that we aren't there yet to undertake such huge task alone but the alleged AESA will significantly improve Thunder's punch due to weapons of our choice.

@messiach etc may shed some light if we had any progress though, I can't argue the matter further.
 
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Lots of technical details by experts but can some one inform FBO pro and con in JF17 case which is easy to understand :undecided:
 
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Lots of technical details by experts but can some one inform FBO pro and con in JF17 case which is easy to understand :undecided:

https://www.ukessays.com/essays/engineering/fly-light-aircraft-systems-analysis-2340.php

Advantages of using fibre optic cables over copper cables
Fibre optic cable is made up of bundle of glass strands coated in insulated cover. Fibre optic cables nowadays widely used for networking and communication as it offers many advantages over copper cables. According to Collins (2015) here is the advantages of using fibre optic cables:

  • BANDWIDTH
Fibre optic offers high bandwidth compared to copper wire. High bandwidth means that fibre optic cables are capable of carrying multiple signal over one cable instead of one signal over one wire with copper wire. Aircraft system sends multiple signals for one flight control and using conventional copper wire in FBW system, it needs a bundle of wires just for one flight control. Using fibre optic cable to replace copper wire will reduce significantly the amount of copper wire thus reducing the weight of the aircraft.

  • HIGH SPEED
By understanding the concept of fibre optic cable, it has a faster signal transfer rate compare to copper wire. Fibre optic cable carries light signal in which the speed of light travels much faster than electrical current in copper wire.

  • DISTANCE
Fibre optic cable capable of carrying signal on longer distance without degrading the quality of the signal as the light have less susceptibility to signal lost during transmission. It does not require any step up or step down voltage like copper wire does.

  • SECURITY
Copper wire are easily tap into and less secure compared to fibre optic cable. Electrical signal in a copper wire are also easy to be change by intercepting the signal and can be done by non-professional. Whereas fibre optic cable are made from glass strands which makes it incredibly difficult to intercept the signal without breaking the cable. Even with professionals, the cable are very challenging to intercept midway and if it were done at the source, it is still very tough to change the signal without the proper equipment.

  • RELIABILITY
Copper wire and fibre optic cable both susceptibility to worn out over time but instead of posing a fire hazard like copper wire does, fibre optics does not pose any risk of fire hazard as it only carries light signals. Temperature, moisture and severe weather condition could cause copper wire having signal loss or even complete loss of connectivity but it does not happen with fibre optic cable. In terms of studier, fibre optic cable can withstand around 100-200 lbs. of pressure without damaging the cable while copper wire typically are delicate and enough to withstand only at about 25 lbs. of pressure before damaging the wire.

  • CABLE SIZE
Higher amount of connections require more copper wire to be able to process all the signals at a higher speed as copper wire performance in signal transferring is directly connected with the cable size. Fibre optic cable size does not determine by the size of the cable and by that, it can be used for multiple signals transfer without affecting the speed or the quality of the signal. Fibre optic cable are much simpler to use and relatively lighter than copper wire.

  • COST
Although fibre optic cable today are still considered as more expensive than copper wire in a short term but with it being lighter, more reliable, and much better performance than copper wire makes it a valuable investment for a long run. Fibre optic cable are also easy to maintain which in turn less cost needed.

  • IMMUNE TO ELECTROMAGNETIC INTERFERENCE (EMI)
Copper wire carries electrical signal which runs through in bundles of wire in close proximity. When electrical signal flow through a wire, it creates an electromagnetic field. Electrical signal are easily affected by electromagnetic field which then deteriorate the signals. Not only had it affected by its own electromagnetic field, it is also affected by electromagnetic frequency given out by other electronic devices such as a hand phone, microwave, or even lightning strike. Using light signals by fibre optic cable, it does not create any electromagnetic field or affected by other electromagnetic frequency. Being immune to EMI, fibre optic cable does not require shielding as copper wire does. No shielding means an extra weight loss using fibre optic cable rather than copper wire.
 
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I'd imagine FBO based approach to give the following advantages:

- Weight/ physical space and potentially power savings (read more room and useful load and power available)

- Potentially Quicker response time (at potentially significantly higher data transfer rates) from input to control surface actuation, giving better handling characteristics and "smoother", "instantaneous" transitions/Adjustments.

- If a similar approach is used for all data communication in the aircraft then overall data exchange rates between different internal systems could be much higher. It would be interesting to find out if that will be the case. If yes, It would also be interesting to see what kind of improvements have been planned for flight computers and overall onboard processing power.

-Could there be a strategy to have relatively future proof hardware at the onset in Block3 and then catch up on the software front gradually?
 
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Senior members have hinted about a domestic aesa radar under development...
We must remember that jf-17 b3 is being envisioned to counter the future of IAF ..
With the eventual change in the dynamics of military confrontation in south asia. PAF wants b3 to handles the dynamic environment which is slowly materializing..

B3 will implement technology that might stun people here and elsewhere.
Similar as to when the first jf-17 rolled out in the beginning of 2000
There was an AESA research project going on in university.
 
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Reliability matters most when approaching 5G.

Fly-by-Optical Fiber. So, instead of traditional wiring, you're using fiberoptic cables to handle communication between the plane's flight computers. Benefits include more information transfer, faster transfer, better durability and reliability, etc.
 
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@MastanKhan Welcome back, I am so glad to see you back.



Why do you keep doing it over and over and over again?
Who are you trying to convince? Is someone on PDF going to make that change for you? or do you think chief of air staff is reading your posts?

If you wanted to make a point, you did that a decade ago, now stop posting similar pics with markers in every thread highlighting space for additional hardpoints.

You see this pic below? there is enough room to add two more "hang" points, but the question is does he have the strength to carry them? and NO this is not a weird example, it works exactly like that in the jets too.

now stop being stupid.

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Single seat block 3?

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