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Yes population can go to hell as long as military projects get priority who cares

It’s not military progress but economic and population comes first Get the basics right

Cannot be a patriot on empty stomach
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To be prosper, you first need survival. Economy can always benefits from high tech hardware production. How much difference previously launched so-called socio-economic projects made?
 
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To be prosper, you first need survival. Economy can always benefits from high tech hardware production. How much difference previously launched so-called socio-economic projects made?
You don't have money and technical know-how to produce high tech hardware. To do that you need in public first.
 
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To be prosper, you first need survival. Economy can always benefits from high tech hardware production. How much difference previously launched so-called socio-economic projects made?

If USSR could not survive with its largest military and fell apart due to economic collapse then nothing learned from history

Most of empires British’s, Persian , Greeks have vanished not because of weak military but other factors such as economy leading to military weakness

End of story move on
 
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If USSR could not survive with its largest military and fell apart due to economic collapse then nothing learned from history
Actually both of you have learnt half lesson from history, your reference of USSR is as much true as much the fall of Baghdad to Hulagu Khan, fall of Persian and Roman Empire, even the occupation of subcontinent by British are few example from distant history in which economically strong but militarily weak countries failed to guard their soverignity against their superior opponents in term of military power.

In modern history we can give examples of fall of France to Hitler, success of Allied forces against Hitler, submission of Japan to USA, fall of Kuwait in first Gulf war and as recently as it could be the fall of Qaddafi regime in Libya are the few examples.

So the point is Military power or economic prosperity are just one of the elements of National Power, a balanced approach for all the elements of National Power is required to excel at world stage
 
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If USSR could not survive with its largest military and fell apart due to economic collapse then nothing learned from history

Most of empires British’s, Persian , Greeks have vanished not because of weak military but other factors such as economy leading to military weakness

End of story move on
I am not challenging the wisdom. I am talking about our peculiar circumstances. If today PAC Kamra is struggling due to financial issues or our social indicators are pointing negative, whose fault it is? Like all those empires, we don't need to field armies to conquer and expand rather we need it to our survival. Plus, if we today spend on PAC more instead of launching politically motivated socio-economic schemes like Benazir Income Support we will reap the benefits in next decade or two in our economy. Not only we will be able to get actual investment but it will also provide us much needed $$$. With social support programs alone, we will never able to fight poverty and our economy will keep in stress. They announce 100 of billions for youth without a policy for education, industry, export etc.
 
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Chicken and egg situation.... get economy moving to invest in military hardware. Or invest in military hardware to bring security which gets economy moving.
 
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COAS once said:

‘a strong army needs a sovereign economy’

So, economy, social reforms, public service, education, R&D, Security & Strong Military all works in tandem with each other.

end of discussion. Please carry on with topic in hand.
 
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Blk 3B will fly, 3A is nowhere to be seen uptill now.

3B is ready to roll at AMF.



Really?

Where did the su-27/35 lineup come from?

Block 3 is block 3 configuration aircraft irrespective of A or B model total order 26 block 3 B and 50 block block 3A model

The roll out schedule is called out already, number per year of each to be rolled out in Janes interview by acm

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