JDAM Replaces Mavericks

[Windjammer]

To a query as why we now seldom see PAF F-16s supporting the AGM-65 Maverick ASM, i have been told by very reliable sources that after MLU programme, all PAF F-16s are now compatible with much more capable JDAM munition , now this weapon system is gradually replacing Mavericks in the PAF arsenal. Furthermore the indigenous production of INS has freed this weapon system's dependency on any GPS.
@Oscar @MastanKhan @Knuckles @Dazzler @HRK @Taimoor Khan

 

[war&peace]

This is an excellent news. INS is great over shorter distances but over longer ranges the gyros need to be corrected with a GPS/Satellite Navigation signal. We should work with China and Russia to use GLONASS and BEIDOU signals combined for higher accuracies until we have our own satellite navigation system.

 

[ashok321]

It still needs GPS to calibrate/reset the INS solution, have to have both:

Inertial navigation systems usually can provide an accurate solution only for a short period of time. The INS accelerometers produce an unknown bias signal that appears as a genuine specific force. This is acceleration integrated twice against time and thus produces an error in position. Additionally, the INS software must use an estimate of the angular position of the accelerometers when conducting this integration. Typically, the angular position is tracked through an integration of the angular rate from the gyro sensors. These also produce unknown biases that affect the integration to get the position of the unit.

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The benefits of using GPS with an INS are that the INS may be calibrated by the GPS signals and that the INS can provide position and angle updates at a quicker rate than GPS. For high dynamic vehicles, such as missiles and aircraft, INS fills in the gaps between GPS positions. Additionally, GPS may lose its signal and the INS can continue to compute the position and angle during the period of lost GPS signal. The two systems are complementary and are often employed together.

 

[Windjammer]

This is an excellent news. INS is great over shorter distances but over longer ranges but gyros need to be corrected with a GPS/Satellite Navigation signal. We should work with China and Russia to use GLONASS and BEIDOU signals combined for higher accuracies until we have our own satellite navigation system.

That part is also taken care off.....but it's also best to have your own system in place as well.

 

[war&peace]

That part is also taken care off.....but it's also best to have your own system in place as well.

Of course, own system is necessary for plethora of reasons. SUPARCO should get to work if the govt approves the budget. We can start by first covering just Pakistan and neighbours in the east and West and then gradually expanded to the rest of world by adding more satellites.

 

[Maxpane]

Dnt know much about it. I mean what it is?

 

[RealNapster]

Of course, own system is necessary for plethora of reasons. SUPARCO should get to work if the govt approves the budget. We can start by first covering just Pakistan and neighbours in the east and West and then gradually extended to the rest of world by adding more satellites.

You don't need to cover the whole world. Only 1500 km radius along borders will do, means a regional navigation system just like India have. We can not bear the initial and mentanance cost of a system like GPS.

 

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This is an excellent news. INS is great over shorter distances but over longer ranges the gyros need to be corrected with a GPS/Satellite Navigation signal. We should work with China and Russia to use GLONASS and BEIDOU signals combined for higher accuracies until we have our own satellite navigation system.

Turkey has developed 'ALDEBARAN' which uses GPS, GLONASS and SBAS (ground based navigational towers). 'ALDEBARAN' is also software defined, allowing it to be programmed to other Nagitional systems such as BEIDOU or Galileo as well. So even if you don't have your own SATNAV systems, it can use multiple points of reference to update from.

http://www.roketsan.com.tr/en/urunl...isler/aldebaran-milli-gps-ve-glonass-alicisi/

 

[Raider 21]

To a query as why we now seldom see PAF F-16s supporting the AGM-65 Maverick ASM, i have been told by very reliable sources that after MLU programme, all PAF F-16s are now compatible with much more capable JDAM munition , now this weapon system is gradually replacing Mavericks in the PAF arsenal. Furthermore the indigenous production of INS has freed this weapon system's dependency on any GPS.
@Oscar @MastanKhan @Knuckles @Dazzler @HRK @Taimoor Khan



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Great capability indeed. They should also introduce a squadron position for combat controllers that are pilots....get their elbows dirty for once since they're time at the Academy before they started to getting worshipped......

It still needs GPS to calibrate/reset the INS solution, have to have both:




Excerpt:

The benefits of using GPS with an INS are that the INS may be calibrated by the GPS signals and that the INS can provide position and angle updates at a quicker rate than GPS. For high dynamic vehicles, such as missiles and aircraft, INS fills in the gaps between GPS positions. Additionally, GPS may lose its signal and the INS can continue to compute the position and angle during the period of lost GPS signal. The two systems are complementary and are often employed together.

It is needed primarily for accuracy when aligning with GPS. Otherwise tower or ground control help with passing over parked coordinates for initial alignment.

 

[Windjammer]

Great capability indeed. They should also introduce a squadron position for combat controllers that are pilots....get their elbows dirty for once since they're time at the Academy before they started to getting worshipped......

Just like this is news to us , it's suffice to say we are oblivious to all else that materialises within the PAF.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Nice , Great step forward ...........

 

[HRK]

Great capability indeed. They should also introduce a squadron position for combat controllers that are pilots....get their elbows dirty for once since they're time at the Academy before they started to getting worshipped......

cross functional training concept or you suggesting permanent positions ....??

 

[Raider 21]

Just like this is news to us , it's suffice to say we are oblivious to all else that materialises within the PAF.

What I meant a squadron forward air controller within the F-16 pilots would help big time. The elbows part is a joke we have amongst the Arrows fliers....some of us here may fly for PAF soon...

cross functional training concept or you suggesting permanent positions ....??

In a multirole squadron it would be beneficial for CAS and other A/G missions to have 4 pilots specialised with the squadron.....all should be qualified IPs and training officers.

 

[redgriffin]

I won't call the Maverick redundant. It is a great weapon for moving armored targets and in some cases SEAD/DEAD.

 

[Basel]

To a query as why we now seldom see PAF F-16s supporting the AGM-65 Maverick ASM, i have been told by very reliable sources that after MLU programme, all PAF F-16s are now compatible with much more capable JDAM munition , now this weapon system is gradually replacing Mavericks in the PAF arsenal. Furthermore the indigenous production of INS has freed this weapon system's dependency on any GPS.
@Oscar @MastanKhan @Knuckles @Dazzler @HRK @Taimoor Khan



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I dont know what PAF is doing, but Maverick is being replaced by Brimestone or SDB-IIs which are true replacement of Maverick Which is essentially a weapon system to take out moving targets.