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Why Pakistan Loves the F-16 Fighting Falcon

Is Pakistan Air Force infatuated with the F-16. This was true once upon a time, but this "obsession" is fading with time even though PAF is still trying to upgrade existing aircraft and acquire used ones. Then there are the Khafee leaks, claiming it will acquire brand new F16s, possibly even newer blocks equipped with AESA radars.

Personally, the PAF should forget about the F-16 and focus on JF-17, which is becoming a mature platform.
 
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Is Pakistan Air Force infatuated with the F-16. This was true once upon a time, but this "obsession" is fading with time even though PAF is still trying to upgrade existing aircraft and acquire used ones. Then there are the Khafee leaks, claiming it will acquire brand new F16s, possibly even newer blocks equipped with AESA radars.

Personally, the PAF should forget about the F-16 and focus on JF-17, which is becoming a mature platform.
I cannot ignore Khafee leaks. A person like Khafee can never be a hoax creator since he is representing a highly respected institution as well as his own manners and communication way is of a gentleman. Regardless, why wouldn’t PAF go for more F-16? PAF loves F-16, world loves ‘em. It’s unique, nothing like it before or now. They have been giving PAF scores in all sorts of ops so this deems it a SUCCESSFUL DECISION FOR PAF TO ACQUIRE F-16s during 20th century. Just because our relations with uncle sam are see-saw, doesn’t mean business can be ignored. If Arabs really are planning to help us In procuring more of these DazzlingFalcons , why not ?
V upgrade as well as further MLUs and B70/72s would serve as ultimate stopgaps for PAF and IAF and PAF can totally focus on AZM then...
 
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I cannot ignore Khafee leaks. A person like Khafee can never be a hoax creator since he is representing a highly respected institution as well as his own manners and communication way is of a gentleman. Regardless, why wouldn’t PAF go for more F-16? PAF loves F-16, world loves ‘em. It’s unique, nothing like it before or now. They have been giving PAF scores in all sorts of ops so this deems it a SUCCESSFUL DECISION FOR PAF TO ACQUIRE F-16s during 20th century. Just because our relations with uncle sam are see-saw, doesn’t mean business can be ignored. If Arabs really are planning to help us In procuring more of these DazzlingFalcons , why not ?
V upgrade as well as further MLUs and B70/72s would serve as ultimate stopgaps for PAF and IAF and PAF can totally focus on AZM then...

Our future lies with newer Block JF-17s. The Indians are going to have a heart attack if the Americans provide Pakistan with F-16 Block 70. It is out of the question.

American relationship with Pakistan is going to remain very limited. The US has invested heavily in India to contain China. The Americans cannot afford to piss off their ally India.

Just like Israel dictates a lot of Middle Eastern US policy, India dictates a lot of the Pakistan policy in Washington. The US doesn't have an independent policy on Pakistan.
 
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Our future lies with newer Block JF-17s. The Indians are going to have a heart attack if the Americans provide Pakistan with F-16 Block 70. It is out of the question.

American relationship with Pakistan is going to remain very limited. The US has invested heavily in India to contain China. The Americans cannot afford to piss off their ally India.

Just like Israel dictates a lot of Middle Eastern US policy, India dictates a lot of the Pakistan policy in Washington. The US doesn't have an independent policy on Pakistan.
Bhai, one cannot ignore the simple almost 4 decade hands on experience ON F-16s of our AF, it really means something. And that experience has yielded results in various situations, Feb being the most recent. I personally would love to see more of them in PAF. Block 3 might give a fight to Rafale but Block70 will keep india on their knees and bay.
 
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Why Pakistan Loves the F-16 Fighting Falcon

During an aerial skirmish on February 27, 2019, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 Bison was shot down by a radar-guided missile. The Pakistani Air Force (PAF) claims the kill was scored by a JF-17 Thunder, a domestically-built fighter built with Chinese assistance.

However, India subsequently revealed fragments of an AIM-120C-5 missile—a U.S.-built weapon only compatible with the American-built F-16s in PAF service. Pakistan has incentives to deny the use of F-16s, as secret end-user agreements may restrict the aircraft’s use against India—despite that being an obvious application of the venerable fourth-generation jet. India, meanwhile, claims the MiG-21’s pilot managed to shoot down an F-16.

Air Cover for the Mujahideen

Pakistan’s F-16s have been no stranger to controversy for nearly four decades.

In response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, Islamabad and Washington collaborated to train, organize and arm mujahideen resistance fighters in Afghan refugee camps in Pakistan. In retaliation, Afghan and Soviet warplanes began bombing the camps—and the PAF’s Chinese-made J-6 jets proved too slow to catch them.

Thus in 1981, Pakistan convinced the United States to sell it F-16 Fighting Falcon single-engine multi-role fighters—a then cutting-edge yet inexpensive-to-operate design with fly-by-wire controls affording it extraordinary maneuverability. The agile Falcon could attain speeds as high as Mach 2 and lug heavy weapons loads, though it did have a limited combat radius (around 350 miles) and early production models lacked beyond-visual-range missiles.

Between October 1982 and 1986, a total of twenty-eight F-16As and twelve two-seat F-16Bs were delivered to Pakistan via Saudi Arabia in Operations Peace Gate I and II. These outfitted the PAF’s No. 9, 11 and 14 Squadrons which flew patrols along the Afghan border, typically carrying two advanced AIM-9L and two cheaper AIMP-9P-4 Sidewinder heat-seeking missiles.

Unlike earlier heat-seekers which could lock on to the hot tail-pipe at the rear of an aircraft, the AIM-9L “Lima” Sidewinders could engage from any angle. The AIM-9L’s ability to hit opponents in a head-on-pass would soon prove particularly effective.

Between 1986 and 1990, the PAF credited th F-16 with shooting down ten Afghan and Soviet jets, helicopters and transport planes, with many additional claims unconfirmed. Soviet and Afghan records definitively confirm only six losses: four Su-22s supersonic fighter-bombers, one Su-25 “flying tank” piloted by future Russian vice president Alexander Rutskoy, and one An-26 cargo plane.

The PAF lost a single F-16, apparently struck by a missile fired by its own wingman. The F-16 patrols reportedly deterred more extensive bombardment of refugee camps on Pakistani soil, and disrupted Soviet efforts to resupply isolated outposts.

The Nuclear F-16 Controversy

By 1990 Pakistan had already placed Peace Gate III and IV orders for seventy-one improved F-16A/B Block 15s. But in October 1990, Pakistan’s nuclear research program led the United States to impose sanctions. Thus, twenty-eight newly-built F-16s for which Pakistan had already paid $23 million apiece were consigned to the desert Boneyard facility in Arizona, where they remained for over a decade.

In the late 1990s, the Clinton administration offered to deliver the jets in return for Pakistan refraining from nuclear tests—but such was not to be. On May 28, 1998 Pakistan detonated five underground nuclear devices in response to an Indian nuclear test. It became evident that the heavy-lifting F-16s would serve as one of Pakistan’s primary nuclear-weapon delivery systems, and intelligence reports indicated that No. 9 and No. 11 squadron F-16s were modified to deliver nuclear gravity bombs on their center pylons.

A year later the two nuclear powers engaged in a limited war when Pakistani commandos infiltrated the mountainous Kargil region of India. As Indian Mirage 2000s pounded the infiltrators while escorted by MiG-29s, F-16s flew combat air patrols along the Pakistani side of the Line of Control reportedly painting the Indian jets with their targeting radars—and vice-versa—in an effort to intimidate.

However, neither air arm was authorized to engage the other, so no air battles occurred. Nonetheless, three years later a PAF F-16B shot down an Indian Searcher II drone that had penetrated deep into Pakistani airspace.

Pakistan Finally Gets More Falcons

Following the 9/11 attacks in 2001, the United States intervened against the Taliban—a fundamentalist faction Pakistani intelligence agencies had cultivated to assert Islamabad’s influence in its war-torn neighbor. Seeking to wheedle half-hearted cooperation from Pakistan, in 2006 the Bush administration finally authorized the “Peace Drive” deal (“Peace Gate” having become poisonous brand) in which the United States handed over twenty-three remaining Peace Gate F-16As and Bs, and sold nineteen far more capable F-16Cs and D Block 52s.

The $5.1 billion deal also involved modernizing Pakistan’s by-then dated F-16A and Bs with the F-16AM/BM “Mid-Life Update.” This involved stripping down and repairing the aging air frames, replacing hundreds of wiring harnesses, exchanging old monochrome cockpit displays with color multi-function displays, and installing wide-angle HUDs and a new modular, digital flight computers which added support for laser and GPS-guided bombs.

Furthermore, an improved APG-66V2 doppler radar allowed the F-16AMs to employ beyond-visual-range AIM-120C-5 air-to-air missiles with a maximum range of sixty-five miles. 600 of the radar-guided fire-and-forget missiles were also sold. Pakistan also acquired DB-110 electro-optical reconnaissance pods capable of scanning 10,000 miles of terrain per hour.

As the Taliban forces expanded across Pakistan’s Swat Valley and Waziristan province, the Pakistani military finally counterattacked in 2009. PAF F-16s flew hundreds of combat missions through 2011, first using DB-110 pods to identify camouflaged Taliban positions, then destroying them with laser-guided 500 and 2,000-pound bombs.

Islamabad’s thirst for the agile jets was not yet sated. In 2013, it purchased nine more F-16As and four F-16Bs directly from Jordan.

Today, Pakistan operates around sixty-six F-16A/Bs and nineteen F-16C/Ds in four active squadrons, including No. 9 Griffins multi-role squadron in Sargodha, the No. 19 Sherdills training and air defense squadron at Thatta, and the No. 11 Arrows multi-role squadron based at Shahbaz near Jacobabad. The last base also hosts No. 5 Falcons multi-role squadron, the only F-16C/D unit.

Besides the F-16A downed by friendly fire, Pakistan has lost six F-16As and two F-16Bs in accidents. In addition to bird strikes, engine failures, and pilot disorientation, one F-16B was consumed by fire after a collision with a wild boar during takeoff caused the nose gear to collapse!

India’s recovery of AIM-120C-5 missile fragments after the air battle on February 27 provides convincing evidence that Pakistani F-16s scored their first kill since 1990. However, India also claims an F-16 was downed by a MiG-21 using an R-73 missile. The PAF denies the claim, though its candor about F-16 involvement is suspect, while Indian media has also circulated demonstrably false “proof of an F-16 loss. The only evidence of an F-16 loss was a Pakistani ground observer who claimed seeing two jets, not one, shot down.

The mere possibility that a Falcon was downed by a 1950s-era MiG-21 should not be over-interpreted. India’s MiG-21 Bisons, though outdated, feature upgraded radars, data-links, self-defense jammers, and agile heat-seeking R-73 missiles targeted with a helmet-mounted sight. The airframe has always had a smallish radar cross-section, is Mach 2 capable, and performed well in exercises against U.S. F-15s and F-16s!

While an F-16 is superior in many respects, particularly situational awareness, an R-73-armed MiG-21 that managed to close within visual range (as ostensibly occurred) would still pose a formidable threat.

In any case, the recent aerial skirmish highlights the important capabilities F-16s continue to provide Pakistan’s military, and the continuing tensions that may evoke as Pakistan aligns itself more with China, and the United States with India. Ironically, just days before the recent skirmish, F-16 manufacturer Lockheed launched a new pitch to move F-16 production to India for a heavily modernized spinoff dubbed the F-21.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-pakistan-loves-f-16-fighting-falcon-100582


Articles on Nationalinterest.org and mostly sensationalist with information readily available everywhere.

Ps, the number of Vipers operated by Pakistan is 76 which us not correctly mentioned, also the AM/BM vipers carry the APG.68 v9 radars not APG.66.
 
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Bhai, one cannot ignore the simple almost 4 decade hands on experience ON F-16s of our AF, it really means something. And that experience has yielded results in various situations, Feb being the most recent. I personally would love to see more of them in PAF. Block 3 might give a fight to Rafale but Block70 will keep india on their knees and bay.

We are not ignoring any of that. What I am saying is that F-16 is the past and JF-17 is the future. The Americans lie through their teeth when they say that Pakistan needs the F-16s when our real ace is JF-17 Block 3 and the newer blocks in the future. The AESA radar is going to provide a whole new capability which the F-16 cannot match.

Articles on Nationalinterest.org and mostly sensationalist with information readily available everywhere.

Ps, the number of Vipers operated by Pakistan is 76 which us not correctly mentioned, also the AM/BM vipers carry the APG.68 v9 radars not APG.66.

I know that, but this belief has also been held by the American government officials at the highest levels. That belief has been shattered with JF-17. Hence the sour grape articles.
 
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Our future lies with newer Block JF-17s. The Indians are going to have a heart attack if the Americans provide Pakistan with F-16 Block 70. It is out of the question.

American relationship with Pakistan is going to remain very limited. The US has invested heavily in India to contain China. The Americans cannot afford to piss off their ally India.

Just like Israel dictates a lot of Middle Eastern US policy, India dictates a lot of the Pakistan policy in Washington. The US doesn't have an independent policy on Pakistan.

what a preposterous piece of nonsense. India only dictates Pakistan policy in DC to the the extent of the incompetence of Pakistan. The Indians are organized and work across party/ideological lines to fight Pakistan while Pakistanis are segmented into various ideological and party lines, each spending premium to undermine the other. The only time they cooperate, it’s done to undermine Pakistan’s national interest.

Imran Khan in one trip undid years of Indian conspiracies in DC. Imagine if Nawaz, Bhuttos and their soldiers did the same. Pakistan’s case will always be pathetic as long as Pakistanis compete with one another to destroy their national interest and agenda.

It’s Pakistanis that have anti Pakistan agenda. Pakistan is geo-strategically critical country regardless of the pivot to Asia strategy. Pakistanis need to come out of the defeatist and victim mentality
 
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Is Pakistan Air Force infatuated with the F-16. This was true once upon a time, but this "obsession" is fading with time even though PAF is still trying to upgrade existing aircraft and acquire used ones. Then there are the Khafee leaks, claiming it will acquire brand new F16s, possibly even newer blocks equipped with AESA radars.

Personally, the PAF should forget about the F-16 and focus on JF-17, which is becoming a mature platform.
PAF will take them if subsidize(~50million) and walk away if at current price(~90million with support package)
its as simple as that..
its about cost to benefit ratio..
jf17 is the pirotity...
the deal has to be better than jf17 for f16..
f16 is simply competing with the thunder...
 
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What is not to love a silly question lolz !!
 
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what a preposterous piece of nonsense. India only dictates Pakistan policy in DC to the the extent of the incompetence of Pakistan. The Indians are organized and work across party/ideological lines to fight Pakistan while Pakistanis are segmented into various ideological and party lines, each spending premium to undermine the other. The only time they cooperate, it’s done to undermine Pakistan’s national interest.

Imran Khan in one trip undid years of Indian conspiracies in DC. Imagine if Nawaz, Bhuttos and their soldiers did the same. Pakistan’s case will always be pathetic as long as Pakistanis compete with one another to destroy their national interest and agenda.

It’s Pakistanis that have anti Pakistan agenda. Pakistan is geo-strategically critical country regardless of the pivot to Asia strategy. Pakistanis need to come out of the defeatist and victim mentality

Agreed that Pakistanis can sell themselves out to the Americans. Shakeel Afridi and many others come to mind.

Having said that, there is absolutely no denying that India has infiltrated the WH through lobby groups and other means to influence Pakistan policy. Denying this fact is foolish. The Americans have allowed the Indians to infiltrate because prime US concern is China containment. The Americans are willing to give an arm and a leg to please India at the moment. Displeasing or undermining Pakistan to keep India happy is a very little price the Americans are gladly willing to pay. The Americans are doing exactly that and they are willing to go to extreme lenghts. Make no mistake about that. The Americans are treacherous bastards who have no principles or morals when it comes to securing their interests. They walk over dead bodies and collateral damage is the norm.

If you believe that Imran Khan's charm offensive did the trick think again. It is not Trump that runs America. It is the deep state that calls the shots. Let me assure you, the only reason why the Americans would want to cosy up with Pakistan at this moment is to undermine and influence China Pak alliance. That is it. Nothing more nothing less. The US deep state is balls deep with India.

The American deep state would wreck and destroy Pakistan. Too bad they cannot have it their way.

PAF will take them if subsidize(~50million) and walk away if at current price(~90million with support package)
its as simple as that..
its about cost to benefit ratio..
jf17 is the pirotity...
the deal has to be better than jf17 for f16..
f16 is simply competing with the thunder...

F-16 is not the number one fighter for PAF anymore. It is prone to sanctions and the Americans monitor them day and night. The F-16 is a nice to have fighter.

The reason why PAF decided to start developing its own fighter is to substitute the F-16. There are no ifs and buts here.

Do you honestly think that PAF is going to put aside the blood and sweat it has invested in the JF-17 for aqcuiring obsolete F-16s? Decades have gone into building the JF-17. Just put into perspective how much pain and effort PAF went through for realising the JF-17. Even if it was a JV with China. Don't underestimate the effort. It is colossal by any stretch of the imagination. Especially for a resource lacking country like Pakistan. Now that we have reached this magnificent stage where the production rate is accelerating and the JF-17 proved its worth in recent battles you are expecting PAF to buy more F-16s?

The only thing that would tempt PAF is the newer Block F-16s because we can actually learn from them. The latest JF-17 Block has some serious upgrades in the form of AESA radar and long range missiles. The new JF-17 is a different animal. The current F-16 Block 50/52 is advanced and awesome, but not on par with JF-17 Block 3. Not even close. We can argue about F-16 Block 70, but that is a different fighter. The Americans are never ever going sell these fighters to Pakistan. Never.
 
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US doesn't sell f-15s to countries like Pakistan.
Well just a side by side comparison makes the Su-30 look like an amazing jet as compared to the F-16 .
But we should also remember that every assets in an airforce work together to become a force to be reckoned with..
Currently the IAF is very much fragmented and has very few force multiplier assest..
A simple look at feb 27 shows how out of touch the IAF air doctrine in reference to modren air warfare.
Bvr, EW assets ,jamming all lacking..

F-16/su-30 is but a simple cogwheel (although an important one ) in a machine
Modren ariel combat has changed immensely in the past few decades and the su-30 won't save the IAF thats why the rhetoric "if we had rafale we would have destroyed the PAF " came after 27 feb..

in this modern age,i give respect to numerical superiority as well.272 is a large number and too hard to handle.
 
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in this modern age,i give respect to numerical superiority as well.272 is a large number and too hard to handle.
and why do you think PAF is keen on inducting JF-17. Quality and Quantity.

Do you honestly think that PAF is going to put aside the blood and sweat it has invested in the JF-17 for aqcuiring obsolete F-16s?
PAF will go for second hand or new F-16's, yes, if CSF comes through.
 
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