Jaysh al-Islam led by Zahran Alloush

[kalu_miah]

Jaysh al-Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jaysh al-Islam (Arabic: جيش الإسلام‎, meaning Army of Islam), formerly known as Liwa al-Islam or the Islam Brigade, is a merger of many rebel groups involved in the Syrian civil war.[7] It operates chiefly in the Damascusneighborhoods of Douma and Eastern Ghouta.[citation needed] Liwa al-Islam was the largest rebel faction located in Damascus.[8] Saudi Arabia is preparing to give the group millions of dollars to "arm and train" the fighters in Jaysh al-Islam.[1] Instructors from Pakistan will reportedly be used to help train the group.[9]

Merger history
The group's creation was negotiated and spearheaded by Saudi Arabia, who believed that the Al-Nusra Front was gaining too much strength.[7] The major rebel groups involved are Liwa al-Islam and the Farouq Brigades.[10] The head of the organization is Zahran Aloush, the head of Liwa al-Islam.[7] The merger was completed on 29 September 2013.[11] The coalition has criticized the Syrian National Coalition, stating that the group should be led by those who are fighting in Syria.[7] The groups founding declaration mentioned that some 43 rebel factions were merging together, however 38 of these groups were already members of, or affiliated with, the Liwa al Islam group.[12][13] The group has discussed forming a group that would be called the Army of Muhammad; the Tawhid Brigade and the Suqour al-Sham Brigade would join.[14]

History
Liwa al-Islam was established by Zahran Alloush, the son of a Saudi-based religious scholar named sheikh Abdullah Mohammed Alloush, after Syrian authorities released him from prison in mid-2011 where he had been serving time for his Salafist activism.[15] They claimed responsibility for carrying out the 18 July 2012 Damascus bombing that killed Defense Minister Dawoud Rajiha, Deputy Defense Minister Asef Shawkat, and Assistant Vice President Hassan Turkmani. Liwa al-Islam is a driving force behind actions in Damascus and is known to cooperate with Jabhat al-Nusra and conduct joint operations.[2]

Operations
In November 2013, the group captured two jet fighters from the Syrian Air Force. They then began forming their own air force brigade to combat the Syrian Air Force.[16]

6/19/2013 Al-Jazeera Interview w/ al-Islam Brigade Commander

SAA propaganda video but has good material

Total of 43 Islamist Groups Unite under Newly Formed "Army of Islam

Saudi Arabia Hires Pakistan to Train Insurrgents - Night Watch - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page 1

Al Qaeda running amok, these people need to be gotten rid of:
BBC News - Syrian activists flee abuse in al-Qaeda-run Raqqa

The way to bring people from J!hadi camp to Jaysh camp would be to dry up the fund from private donors, for this Kuwait and other GCC govt. need to take action:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/w...funds-add-wild-card-to-war-in-syria.html?_r=0

If people want to fund the war, they should fund it through govt. approved collectors, so that funds support non-J!hadi outfits like Jaysh. If funds are dried up, the J!hadi's will flock to Jaysh and this way the opposition can be united.

Also, I would recommend to invite special forces from Armed forces of Arab League countries and other Sunni Muslim countries to train the new unified Jaysh rebel forces.

 

[Algeria]

Good and well researched article. Jaish al-Islam seems the most likely faction to lead the rebellion for several reasons:
1) They are the only major rebel faction left operating in Damascus area.
2) They are salfi Islamist in their ideology but not extremist like Nusra, ISIS or even Ahrar.
3) They are by far the best equipped rebel group.
4) They are backed by KSA mainly because of Alloush family ties to Saudi and he studied there.
5) They are not AQ nor MB.
6) They are very popular and known for their professionalism.
7) Alloush is best friends with the leaders of Ahrar, Tawhid and Suqor leaders as they spent years together in prison before the revolution:

 

[kalu_miah]

Good and well researched article. Jaish al-Islam seems the most likely faction to lead the rebellion for several reasons:
1) They are the only major rebel faction left operating in Damascus area.
2) They are salfi Islamist in their ideology but not extremist like Nusra, ISIS or even Ahrar.
3) They are by far the best equipped rebel group.
4) They are backed by KSA mainly because of Alloush family ties to Saudi and he studied there.
5) They are not AQ nor MB.
6) They are very popular and known for their professionalism.
7) Alloush is best friends with the leaders of Ahrar, Tawhid and Suqor leaders as they spent years together in prison before the revolution:

I am just concerned that Iran and Hezb are going full throttle to help Assad and the opposition is not united enough. The main reason seems to me is the disorganized funding that private donors are donating through some collectors, mainly in Kuwait and other GCC states. Unless the funding can be channelized and united and given to one entity such as the Jaysh, there will continue to be disunity in the field. So GCC states, specially Kuwait govt. need to take care of this disorganized funding mess right away.

The other thing I believe is that Saudi Arabia should invite talents from large Sunni Muslim countries in Special Forces and Military strategists, so they can train the Syrian volunteer untrained combatants and provide guidance and direction for the war, together with defected Syrian generals. Qasem Soleimani is directing the war on the other side, we need equally brilliant generals and team of strategists doing it in the opposition side.

 

[kalu_miah]

Syria: Jaysh Al-Islam rejects Geneva II conference | ASHARQ AL-AWSAT

Written by : Asharq Al-Awsat
on : Tuesday, 12 Nov, 2013

Syria: Jaysh Al-Islam rejects Geneva II conference
Leaders of the Jaysh Al-Islam faction say the Geneva II conference does not address the main objectives of the Syrian revolution



A Free Syrian Army fighter carries his weapon as he walks out of a building in Deir Ezzor, eastern Syria, on November 11, 2013. (REUTERS/Khalil Ashawi)

Beirut, Asharq Al-Awsat—The Jaysh Al-Islam (Army of Islam) faction of the Syrian opposition, which includes 60 of the groups fighting against Bashar Al-Assad’s government, has reaffirmed its objection to plans for an international peace conference on the Syrian conflict in Geneva.

The conference, backed by the US, Russia and the UN and dubbed “Geneva II,” was originally planned to take place at the end of the month, but has now been put on hold for an indefinite period. It has also been criticized by several Syrian rebel groups, especially Islamists.

Jaysh Al-Islam’s political coordinator, Mohammed Alloush, toldAsharq Al-Awsat on Monday that “any political solution should be imposed from the field, not from foreign parties,” and that the Geneva II conference was (not?) focused enough on the objectives of the armed opposition groups, including “toppling the regime and the trial of its members.”

Jaysh Al-Islam was formed in September under the leadership of Zahran Alloush, the commander of the Islamist Liwa Al-Islam faction based in the countryside around Damascus. The organization originally comprised 43 militia groups, but has since grown to encompass 60.

“More than 175 applications from fighting groups were received by Jaysh Al-Islam’s command and are currently being considered,” Alloush said, adding: “The most important conditions to join are good conduct, following the general teachings of Islam, and accepting the army structure and its decision-making mechanisms.”

He said that military decisions on Jaysh Al-Islam operations are reached via consultation between its Shura Council—which includes Shari’a law specialists and military commanders—and the operations room led by Zahran Alloush.

Alloush told Asharq Al-Awsat that Jaysh Al-Islam fighters were mostly Syrians, and had large quantities of heavy weapons, including artillery and missiles.

He said: “These weapons were taken from the government forces,” and denied that any foreign party supported Jaysh Al-Islam, although he said some donations by people who supported the Syrian revolution had reached them.

Alloush claimed that Jaysh Al-Islam was successful because it followed a coordinated approach in making military decisions, and unlike other opposition units does not target cities or other residential areas, preferring to attack regular army bases, managing to take control of more than 40 army bases in the Eastern Ghouta area.

Although the organization claims to follow Islamic doctrines, it is reportedly more moderate than groups such as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and the Al-Nusra Front, which are both affiliated to Al-Qaeda.

Alloush denied that any links existed between Jaysh Al-Islam and these groups, but also said that “there were no disagreements with them.” He said: “If disagreements between us materialized, we will take them to Shari’a bodies and conciliation committees.”

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[forcetrip]

What are Army of Islam's main strongholds within cities in Syria?

 

[kalu_miah]

New Syrian Opposition Coalition Initiatives Rejected by Jihadists

Last September more than a dozen mainly Islamist brigades - including some of the most powerful rebel militias – broke with the coalition and its Free Syrian Army to form their own Islamic bloc, Jaysh Al-Islam (Army of Islam). The umbrella group has attracted more brigades in recent weeks and analysts say it now numbers 64 militias.

The Army of Islam’s political coordinator, Mohammed Alloush, the brother of one of the umbrella group’s top leaders, was dismissive yesterday of the SNC, warning, “Any political solution should be imposed from the field, not from foreign parties.” Islamist rebels deride the SNC as a puppet of Western and Gulf powers and say it is not representative of rebel fighters.

Alloush complained the talks about talks aren’t focused on what the armed opposition groups want, including “toppling of the regime and putting its members on trial.” The leaders of the affiliated brigades of the Army of Islam warned earlier this month they would consider any participation in Geneva talks an act of betrayal and would seek to bring any SNC members involved before Sharia courts in rebel-held territory.

Fehim Tastekin, a Turkish columnist for the newspaper Radikal, says the SNC has been placed in a no-win situation, having to choose between either refusing to go to Geneva and face the loss of the support of the international community, “or agree to attend and lose Syria – that is, the armed opposition.”

The proposed peace talks to end the brutal 32-month conflict dubbed as “Geneva II” were scheduled for this month but the SNC’s failure to develop a clear stance, as well as disputes between Washington and Moscow over opposition representation have led to a delay.

Ankara's Bad Syria Options - By Aaron Stein | The Middle East Channel

Turkey's quiet acquiescence to extremist groups operating on the border changed in September, after ISIS took control of the Azaz border gate from the Free Syrian Army (FSA)-allied Northern Storm Brigade. The ascendance of ISIS has compelled Turkey to take some steps to counter the group.

Ankara has shelled ISIS positions and, in a move Ankara insists is not Syria related, has frozenaccounts of people and organizations linked to al-Qaeda and the Taliban. In addition, Turkey has worked with Saudi Arabia to incorporate Jaysh al-Islam into the SNC, in order to create a more formidable fighting force to check ISIS's rising power. However, the proposed arrangement has not yet been finalized, so it is still unclear whether or not these efforts will be successful.

Ankara now finds itself in a vexing situation. On the one hand, the empowerment of radical groups on the border has become so substantial that Ankara now faces the real possibility of losing its hard earned strategic depth. The threat, however, comes not from the PYD, but from extremist groups that Ankara played a part in empowering via its open border policy.

Yet, those same groups continue to battle with the PYD, which, despite Ankara's efforts, continues with its efforts to prepare the Kurdish controlled areas for greater autonomy. And, in addition, the extremist groups have also solidified themselves as powerful anti-Assad militias. Moreover, the undercutting of the extremist groups would also empower the PYD via the elimination of the current security check on their power. And, lastly, Ankara remains intent on putting pressure on Assad, in order to help implement its long-term Syria policy. Ankara has therefore opted to incorporate the groups that it is comfortable with inside the SNC, in order to counter ISIS, while also ensuring that its continued arming of its preferred factions does not run too far afoul of the United States.

ARSAL, Lebanon: Rebels along Lebanon’s border with Syria brace for government offensive | Syria | McClatchy DC

As has happened elsewhere, the rebel forces in the Arsal-Qalamoun area have undergone a radicalization in recent months, with the Western-backed Free Syrian Army largely collapsing as rebel units have joined more radical Islamist-led groups. The Farouk Brigade, the secular fighting group that was once dominant here, has begun to splinter, and control is now in the hands of Jaysh Islam, a coalition of Islamist units from the Damascus area led by Liwa al Islam, perhaps the most militarily effective purely Syrian group in the country.

“We have no problem coordinating our rebel activities with Islamists,” said a young rebel fighter here who called himself “Salem” and who wore the same long beard and flowing hairstyle that’s common among devout rebels. “The Farouk, Nusra, Liwa Islam, these are all Syrian rebel units that work together and will fight and die together to protect Qalamoun.”

“Nusra” referred to the Nusra Front, an al Qaida-aligned fighting group that the United States has designated a terrorist organization.

“Nusra is full of people that we know. They’re Syrian, and we will always work with them,” said another rebel, who called himself “Ahmed.”

As he and Salem smoked cigarettes in a small refugee enclave next to a mosque that’s rumored to be affiliated with Nusra, he explained the difference between that al Qaida affiliate and the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham, another al Qaida group that’s recently seized control of many of the key border crossings with Turkey from the secular Free Syrian Army.

“We Syrians are a moderate people who want a society that respects all minorities and religions,” Ahmed said. “These groups are part of our community and reflect an Islamic view that is also Syrian. So we trust them and want them in this revolution. (The Islamic State of Iraq and Sham) has many foreigners. We don’t know them and we don’t know what they want. Right now they are helping us, but if that changes. . . . ”

His comment made the other men in the room murmur with concern. Nobody wanted to finish the thought that this revolution, as bloody as it’s already been, with more than 100,000 dead on both sides, might turn to further violence even if the rebels win.

“But if we lose Qalamoun, we will be finished,” Salem added. “We have to fight to the end there because if we lose, we’ll have to sit in this room forever.”

The Jewish Press » » Who by the Sword, Who by Wild Beasts, Who by Hunger, Who by the Plague

This past month several dozens of jihad organizations operating in Syria came to the conclusion that the disagreements among them harm their fighting cause and strengthen Asad. This conclusion led dozens of organizations to put aside their differences and unify under an organizational umbrella by the name of “Jaysh al-Islam” – “The Army of Islam”. The other large organization – “The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria” – is considering joining the “Army of Islam”, and it may be that “Jabhat al-Nusra”, which blessed the consolidation with “The Army of Islam”, will also join in the future. However, no one – except for Asad – needs to worry about the consolidation of the Islamic forces, because this consolidation will exist only as long as the battle against Asad continues, and after he falls, the splits and the differences between the various groups will be exposed. We can expect Syria to disintegrate into a number of Islamic frameworks in addition to a Kurdish entity in the north east of the country, Alawite in the northwest and perhaps even a Druze entity in the south.

 

[kalu_miah]

Iran is going to stop at nothing to win this war, so will Hezbalshaitan, because loosing this war is considered to be an existential threat for the Hezb and Theocratic regime of Tehran. But this is even bigger than just this war. It is about consolidation of Shia Ummah and keeping it together. In Iran-Iraq war, a fatwa was issued to females in Iran to produce more babies so these babies would grow up and fill up the shortage of men who died in human wave attacks, and when the war was over another fatwa was issued to stop the birth rate on its tracks. What this shows is that the entire theocratic establishment in Iran is geared towards one thing, a continuing consolidation of the Shia Ummah in Middle-east and beyond at whatever cost. The establishment of these regimes have tied up with Russian mafia and ex-KGB group that controls Russia, so it is also a financial empire that feeds the larger goal. They are fighting to keep outsiders out from their turf and nothing will deter them from their goal. With the large population displacement that has already happened in Syria so far and is happening today as we speak, it is possible that entire Syria will be repopulated with Shia population in strategic places, if they can win this war. A demographic replacement in selected spaces will form an unbroken chain from Iran to Lebanon, ensuring security of the Shia Ummah in Middle-east.

Hezbalshaitan militia has a good number of soldiers and IRGC of Iran has millions. So a combination of the two means that they have effectively an unlimited supply of men and materials that can easily exhaust the resistance put up by the Syrian people by themselves, while most of their men lack training.

So if Saudi Arabia and GCC states with deep pockets want to have a winning strategy, then depending on Syrian resistance alone, I am afraid, may not work in the end. I suggest the following steps:

1. Create more training fields/camps in both Turkey and Jordan for training Syrian resistance insurgents
2. Invite and hire Special Ops commando forces from interested Sunni Arab and Muslim countries to provide guerilla warfare training to newbies
3. Create a team of professional military strategists as advisers for Zahran Alloush, to counter the regime strategies put in place by IRGC team
4. Stop all private funding going to J!hadist groups and run social media campaign to channel all funds to one command center which is that of Jaysh al-Islam, so that more and more forces are motivated to go under that command center, effectively unifying the opposition resistance forces
5. And have the option open to recruit trained personnel from other Sunni Arab and Muslim nations, because the signal must be sent to IRGC strategists that if they up their game, the opposition resistance and their backers are also willing and capable of upping their game

Here is an old article describing exactly what Syrian opposition is up against, 50,000 men from Iran and Lebanon already there and another 50,000 on the way and this was news from 8 months back:

Iran and Hezbollah 'have built 50,000-strong force to help Syrian regime' | World news | theguardian.com

Iran and Hezbollah 'have built 50,000-strong force to help Syrian regime'
Israeli military intelligence chief says Iran hopes to prolong life of Assad regime and maintain influence after his fall

Thursday 14 March 2013 10.35 EDT

Syrian rebels in Idlib province. Israel has warned against arming the fighters in case weapons reach al-Qaida-affiliated groups. Photograph: Hussein Malla/AP
Iran and Hezbollah have built a 50,000-strong parallel force in Syria to help prolong the life of the Assad regime and to maintain their influence after his fall, Israel's military intelligence chief has claimed.

Major General Aviv Kochavi said Iran intended to double the size of this Syrian "people's army", which he claimed was being trained by Hezbollah fighters and funded by Tehran, to bolster a depleted and demoralised Syrian army.

Kochavi, the director of military intelligence in the Israel defence forces (IDF), also said Assad's troops had readied chemical weapons but so far had not been given the order for them to be used.

At the same time, he warned of the increasing sway of extremist groups in the opposition, particularly the al-Nusra Front, which he claimed was beginning to infiltrate Lebanon and was making connections with a Sinai-based militant organisation, Ansar Bait al-Maqdis, which is focused on attacks on Israel.

Israel opposes the western arming of Syrian rebels because of its fears that the weapons will end up in the hands of such groups.

Defence officials say they are focused on Assad's sizeable arsenal of chemical weapons and missiles and they are prepared to carry out more air strikes to stop such arms being transferred to Hezbollah, even at the risk of what a senior official predicted would be an ugly new war in Lebanon.

Western and Israeli governments have long alleged that members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are advising Assad's generals, and that Hezbollah guerillas are fighting alongside Syrian government troops. Israeli officials say the commander of the Revolutionary Guards' elite Quds Force, Qassem Suleimani, has been in Damascus to oversee operations.

In his speech on Thursday, Kochavi went much further and claimed that since last June Tehran had been using Hezbollah to build up a large Syrian militia that would be Iranian-controlled even in the event of Assad's fall from power.

"The damages of the imminent fall of Syria are very high for both Iran and Hezbollah. Iran is losing a sole ally in the region surrounding Israel. It will lose the ability to transfer weaponry through Syria to Hezbollah. Iran and Hezbollah are both doing all in their power to assist Assad's regime.

"They support Assad operationally on the ground, with strategic consultation, intelligence, weapons," Kochavi told the Herzliya Conference, a meeting of security officials and analysts in Israel.

"Most recently, they are establishing a 'people's army' trained by Hezbollah and financed by Iran, currently consisting of 50,000 men, with plans to increase to 100,000. Iran and Hezbollah are also preparing for the day after Assad's fall, when they will use this army to protect their assets and interests in Syria."

He said the Syrian regular army was crumbling, claiming that several successive recruitment drives had failed, realising only 20% of their targets as young men had fled rather than join up. The International Institute of Strategic Studies yesterday reported that from a notional strength of 220,000, the army had withered to a core of about 50,000 the regime could rely on. The Institute for the Study of War in Washington estimated the loyal core at 65,000.

Israel has warned the UK and France against arming Syrian rebels, arguing there will be no guarantees that sophisticated weapons such as portable anti-aircraft missiles will not ultimately find their way to al-Qaida affiliates and other extremist groups, and be turned against Israel.

Kochavi claimed the al-Nusra Front had sent "subsidiaries" into Lebanon and had forged connections with Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis (also known as Ansar Jerusalem), which has launched attacks into Israel from the Sinai. He said al-Nusra intended to help the group establish cells in Lebanon.

Israel's immediate focus is on preventing any of Assad's stockpile of chemical weapons and anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles reaching Lebanon.

Israeli officials say they have "intimate co-operation" with US intelligence on tracking these weapons. In February Israeli planes bombed a convoy suspected of transferring modern anti-aircraft missiles from Syria to Hezbollah, and Israeli officials, while not formally acknowledging them, would not hesitate to strike again.

"There is a readiness to strike again and an awareness that this could escalate. Israel is heavily focused on this, but worried that the rest of the world is not," an Israeli security source said.

A senior IDF official said there were an estimated 50,000 rockets of various ranges in Hezbollah hands, of which a few thousand were capable of reaching Tel Aviv. He acknowledged that Israeli air strikes could trigger a war which neither Israel nor Hezbollah wanted at this time, in which Hezbollah would use much of this arsenal, forcing the IDF to launch another invasion of southern Lebanon, as he said only ground troops could root out the rockets and launchers that were hidden in south Lebanese villages.

"Hezbollah will give a house to a fighter in a village. It will be a three-storey house and one storey is for the storage of missiles," the IDF official said.

"In a future war, we would have to bomb and to send troops into the village. Unfortunately, it is not getting to be surgical. We will do everything we can to evacuate the area of civilians, but I think it's going to be ugly."

 

[Serpentine]

^^^^^
You need to get rid of all these ridiculous sectarian conspiracy theories. Since when worthless words of an Israeli general about Iran are credible? They are almost always lying about Iran, and extremely biased.

The number of Iranian 'fighters' in Syria is perhaps no more than a mere 100, all of them going there voluntarily. We have the trainer or 'adviser' role in Syria. Iran has successfully helped to establish the NDF, National Defense Forces, in Syria which is a 40,000 men paramilitary group from native Syrians, inspired by IRGC doctrine. They are totally different from Iraqi militias or Hezbollah. You will hear much more about them in future. All of these happened only AFTER thousands of Jihadists and Takfiris rushed to Syria from more than 20 countries. Shias came in later.

 

[KingMamba]

What is the city distribution looking like now in Syria? Is the capital still contested?

 

[KS]

^^^^^
You need to get rid of all these ridiculous sectarian conspiracy theories. Since when worthless words of an Israeli general about Iran are credible? They are almost always lying about Iran, and extremely biased.\

Word to the wise [and sane] - Ignore Kalu miah's paranoid wet dreams, conspiracies and ideas. Dont even touch it with a 10 ft barge pole. 

What is the city distribution looking like now in Syria? Is the capital still contested?

The rebels will be finished in/around Damascus sooner or later. This is the situation as per Nov 14.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

What is the city distribution looking like now in Syria? Is the capital still contested?

Yes. The battles spillover is all around the Capital, and elsewhere. 
Call on gods, stay away from the rock

The rebels will be finished in/around Damascus sooner or later. This is the situation as per Nov 14.

 

[energym]

The rebels will be finished in/around Damascus sooner or later. This is the situation as per Nov 14.

This is not going to happen. Simply Kalu Miah wont let it happen. He has put all his energy to throw away Al Asad. Look at the research he has done to dig out every Sunni Militia in the world, their source of income, the strategy they should use, the type of training they should undergo, his advice to GCC countries. Hats of to this man.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

This is not going to happen. Simply Kalu Miah wont let it happen. He has put all his energy to throw away Al Asad. Look at the research he has done to dig out every Sunni Militia in the world, their source of income, the strategy they should use, the type of training they should undergo, his advice to GCC countries. Hats of to this man.

Well,

At least Kalu tries to make a point, not derailing a thread or whatever.

 

[energym]

At least Kalu tries to make a point, not derailing a thread or whatever.

Well you are defending him because it suits your agenda otherwise most of his posts does not make any sense. Last I heard there is muslim ummah and he made Shia Ummah also.

 

[KS]

Yes. The battles spillover is all around the Capital, and elsewhere. 
Call on gods, stay away from the rock

It doesnt hurt to acknowledge that Bashar has outlasted even the most pessimistic estimate of the Khaleejis and is actually turning around the war while Saudi/Qatar are endlessly pouring money and weapons into the deep useless pit i.e., the rebels. . Actually I gather that Qatar has stopped being active and its Bandar's show all the way now. Saudi should be very worried that the Army of Islam doesnt come knocking on the doors of Mecca..if you know what I mean