Jawans may soon have top-class Italian machine guns

[fast]

Because Indians are stupid,lazy, improvised, malnourished, dirty and backward- happy?

As an Indian you do have keen insight into Indians' inability.

 

[Screambowl]

top class Indian machine guns.. what's the progress

 

[ENRL]

As an Indian you do have keen insight into Indians' inability.

Dear fast,

If you are asking the question sincerely, perhaps you are naive. That's Ok. Aall of us are at some point in our lives. But if you are trying to have a cheap shot at them then you have failed and will continue to fail.

1. Look at research salaries in India and compare it with the US. Indians can earn more working in call centres than some grades or research scientists.
DRDO

2. Look at the indian american community and its contributions. Its proof that they are capable people. Look at the social, economic and educational stats. Compare it to the rest of the US and or sub groups. They are clearly doing extremely well.
Indian American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



3. Given these low salaries, it is certainly more attractive $-wise to work elsewhere or for a private company. There are very few scientists from the Top indian institutes. Most of the scientists are from the second and third tier institutions generally. These scientists have done exceptionally well given their facilities are primitive.

4. The H-1B Visa. I have seen how it works, but here is a reputed person speaking about it.
Dr. Michio Kaku America Has A Secret Weapon - YouTube

5. Indian salaries must improve to attract the overseas indians with their wealth of knowledge and make them return for better results. This has started happening with the private companies getting into the defence sector. The government has a weird way of looking at research. They spend so much money on ToT but if they spent more on salaries and facilities a lot more skilled people will return.

Vivek Lall leading new RIL tech venture | StratPost

 

[Abingdonboy]

Dear fast,


4. The H-1B Visa. I have seen how it works, but here is a reputed person speaking about it.
Dr. Michio Kaku America Has A Secret Weapon - YouTube

5. Indian salaries must improve to attract the overseas indians with their wealth of knowledge and make them return for better results. This has started happening with the private companies getting into the defence sector. The government has a weird way of looking at research. They spend so much money on ToT but if they spent more on salaries and facilities a lot more skilled people will return.

Vivek Lall leading new RIL tech venture | StratPost

You are right sir- but the "reverse brain drain" has already begun back into India.

 

[turkish]

As an Indian you do have keen insight into Indians' inability.

He wrote what was in your heart!! Why waste time asking question Like" why India cant" Come to the point and say it!!

 

[Killswitch]

The DRDO has their own bullpup rifle in the running for F INSAS. There is an Indian made option. If it meets requirements it will have
a chance.

 

[fast]

Dear fast,

If you are asking the question sincerely, perhaps you are naive. That's Ok. Aall of us are at some point in our lives. But if you are trying to have a cheap shot at them then you have failed and will continue to fail.

1. Look at research salaries in India and compare it with the US. Indians can earn more working in call centres than some grades or research scientists.
DRDO

2. Look at the indian american community and its contributions. Its proof that they are capable people. Look at the social, economic and educational stats. Compare it to the rest of the US and or sub groups. They are clearly doing extremely well.
Indian American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



3. Given these low salaries, it is certainly more attractive $-wise to work elsewhere or for a private company. There are very few scientists from the Top indian institutes. Most of the scientists are from the second and third tier institutions generally. These scientists have done exceptionally well given their facilities are primitive.

4. The H-1B Visa. I have seen how it works, but here is a reputed person speaking about it.
Dr. Michio Kaku America Has A Secret Weapon - YouTube

5. Indian salaries must improve to attract the overseas indians with their wealth of knowledge and make them return for better results. This has started happening with the private companies getting into the defence sector. The government has a weird way of looking at research. They spend so much money on ToT but if they spent more on salaries and facilities a lot more skilled people will return.

Vivek Lall leading new RIL tech venture | StratPost

Stop being an apologist for India's failure to make a simple military equipment. It is people like you who give excuses to sugarcoats failure that India is unable to move forward.

Go right ahead to continue to feed them false sense of achievement. That would do very well for their fragile ego but nothing else.

 

[Foo_Fighter]

Stop being an apologist for India's failure to make a simple military equipment. It is people like you who give excuses to sugarcoats failure that India is unable to move forward.

Go right ahead to continue to feed them false sense of achievement. That would do very well for their fragile ego but nothing else.

Hey troll, you trolled well, now can you stop trollling please?

 

[Ayush]

i just hope that the word 'may' turns into will.

 

[MilSpec]

Why can't Indians make a simple machine gun?

This is a very important and in a way exceptionally shameful question for the entire country of India. A country that has a successful space program cannot make an assault rifle, a decent sporter rifle or even a good handgun.

Firearms "problem in India"

Ordinance Factory board of India: OFB India is involved in every possible equipment it can get it;s hands on , from fire arms to uniforms, from parachutes to raincoats, from boots to bags, from howitzers to droptanks. OFB India contrary to imagination isn't a conventional firearms manufacturer but a group manufacturing units working under this name. In other words there is no consolidated PSU unit specializing, in manufacturing, testing, research, validation, production and maintaining profitability through firearms,accessories and ammunition.

Quality of OFB: Firearms especially small arms are not the bread winners for OFB, hence when it comes to managers posting profit, they would prefer doing it through bofors, IFg's, shells and aircraft broptanks and parachutes, instead of firearms which are a small margin, small ticket item. OFB knows there will be no competition from private sector, and it will never be in a position to compete with the foriegn players at the high end stuff. So it has it's eye set on piggybacking on the MoD's back, buy stuff from berreta or colt and then technology transfer, where the foreign partner will set up all the manufacturing lines, and all the OFB will do is press an button.

Lack of Private Players: The most important factor for any industry is the access to the market. Small American manufacturers thrive from their domestic as well as export market (civilian/law enforcement/military), whereas european and chinese manufacturers thrive on the export market. India on contrary doesn't allow either for the civilian manufacturers to participate in domestic market or in export business. There is no domestic market in India and under the pretext of "law" which btw was a set in british period. In other words the domestic firearms market is a hell, compounding the matter is the red tape bureaucracy which will not let private firms collaborate or export any defence related articles, making the entry of a private player impossible.

It is indeed shameful that a country like India doesn't have the foresight in it's own defense sector.

 

[subincb]

As long as we can mass produce them in India I would say: Srew those incompetent folks at DRDO. If they cant deliver what the Army wants, they should go for the best in the world.

its not that DRDO cant make, army has to issue GSQR for the same. many a times DRDO started project based on Army GSQR for long range guns and half way they cancel or change the GSQR. that why DRDO stopped big guns before. even the MSMC is not based on any GSQR is what I know. Now they have made a gun, armys requirement would be different from what DRDO has made. Army is the only sector where DRDO has no support from.

Insas developed by DRDO meets the GSQR and quality requirements of army, but later army realised thats not what they wanted. Quality control of OFB is pathetic and DRDO cant be blamed for that. they should have given some private firms to make guns.

 

[MilSpec]

Dear fast,

If you are asking the question sincerely, perhaps you are naive. That's Ok. Aall of us are at some point in our lives. But if you are trying to have a cheap shot at them then you have failed and will continue to fail.

I read you post, and it might explain some of the general lack of research and talentpool questions, But having been a huge firearms enthusiast, I can assure you that good quality firearm mechanisms, production lines, testing are not rocket science, and there are ample venues in India to develop this industry if there is any will from the GoI. The crux of the matter is this industry has been throughly neglected and is in dire need of reforms.
> OFB small arms division needs to be split from rest of the operation
> GoI needs to promote private player in the market
> GoI needs toprovide research and development funding to private players as an incentive to enter this market based on thier works irrespective of contracts they may or may not get
> GoI needs to help private players get export markets by promoting them as is done by US and Euro nations.

The DRDO has their own bullpup rifle in the running for F INSAS. There is an Indian made option. If it meets requirements it will have
a chance.

Sorry but it doesn't!

 

[KS]

Feels sad that we cannot deliver a quality assault rifle to our armed forces.

If the fault is because of technological backwardness I would not have felt..but seeing the construction of stealth friagtes/destroyers, tanks, fighters, combat helis, SSBNs, decades of space experience etc, this lack of simple mechanical/metallurgical technology frustrates me to no end.

 

[Backbencher]

Italian medis has yet not telecasted it however these are awesome chicks that Indians are purchasing .

 

[MilSpec]

Feels sad that we cannot deliver a quality assault rifle to our armed forces.

If the fault is because of technological backwardness I would not have felt..but seeing the construction of stealth friagtes/destroyers, tanks, fighters, combat helis, SSBNs, decades of space experience etc, this lack of simple mechanical/metallurgical technology frustrates me to no end.

There is no lack of existing technology. Working mechanism of firearms are as complicated as an automatic stapler. I am sure thereis technology of "Injection molding", "forging", "Chrome lining", "Stamping" "machining", "welding" the technologies needed for building firearms. As a matter of fact with a few machines, you can make a AR in your back yard. Ask pakistanis, there gunsmiths in daara adam khel can replicate an AR15/M16 by hand...

There is no lack of technology, there is lack of intent and gross mismanagement!