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Japans GDP Unexpectedly Shrinks in Q3

It is entirely expectable .Abe "miracle" or whos-know-how many arrows strategy has failed as predicted.Japan needs reforms in order to achieve something.It certainly does not need neither Abe "miracles" neither never-ending BoJ massive QE with very questionable for real economy results..At this rate Japan is more likely to share same fate as Weimar Republic not to firmly step on road of real GDP growth.

Thanks for that objective and real impression, @Galad. Sobering points indeed, and you're right, if we want to tackle this issue we have to address it head on with clear and effective policies. To be honest as one who's been living in the USA now for quite some time, I am envious in that the US was able to weather the storm from 2008-2010, and now the US is growing at a stable 4%. Japan, on the other hand has grown on a measly 1-2%, and now on a negative growth trend.

Fercockt ! :frown:
 
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Thanks for that objective and real impression, @Galad. Sobering points indeed, and you're right, if we want to tackle this issue we have to address it head on with clear and effective policies. To be honest as one who's been living in the USA now for quite some time, I am envious in that the US was able to weather the storm from 2008-2010, and now the US is growing at a stable 4%. Japan, on the other hand has grown on a measly 1-2%, and now on a negative growth trend.

Fercockt ! :frown:

We know that Abe is not the most right-wing one in Japan, but he should stop appeasing those right-wing hotheads, because it is going to cost Japan's future.

Maybe the right-wing hotheads may not be the majority in Japan, but their craziness has influenced the majority of Japan.

Are they truly believing that they can beat China in a war just because of the US?

I am predicting that the pragmatic left-wing democrats are going to take the seats in the next 1-2 years.

The democrats are not pro-China, they are only pro-Japan and believe that Japan has no future of alienating China.
 
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I don't even know why Abe wants to raise taxes yet again. Currently, its not in the best interest to be raising taxes as this will hurt consumer spending.
I remember past years, China ever used another way to boost domestic economy ... the China government encouraged Chinese folks to purchase more Chinese goods with official subsidy. If u purchase specified Made in China goods local offical will reward some money to u like official discount ... or old stuffs to exchange new goods and official will pay some money to manufacturers.

It's effective ! After China government pay some money first, this policy boost Chinese family purchase and China manufacturers sell more goods in internal market, at last government can earn more taxes back from China manufacturers.

国家补助,电器下乡,以旧换新
 
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I don't even know why Abe wants to raise taxes yet again. Currently, its not in the best interest to be raising taxes as this will hurt consumer spending.
Abe raised taxes will easily develop to suppress purchase of normal Japanese family in internal market.

I remember past years, China ever used another way to boost domestic economy ... the China government encouraged Chinese folks to purchase more Chinese goods with official subsidy. If u purchase specified Made in China goods local offical will reward some money to u like official discount ... or old stuffs to exchange new goods and official will pay some money to manufacturers.

It's effective ! After China government pay some money first, this policy boost Chinese family purchase and China manufacturers sell more goods in internal market, at last government can earn more taxes back from China manufacturers.

国家补助,电器下乡,以旧换新
 
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I don't even know why Abe wants to raise taxes yet again. Currently, its not in the best interest to be raising taxes as this will hurt consumer spending.
Abe raised taxes will easily develop to suppress purchase of normal Japanese family in internal market.

I remember past years, China ever used another way to boost domestic purchase ... the China government encouraged Chinese folks to purchase more Chinese goods with official subsidy. If u purchase specified Made in China goods local offical will reward some money to u like official discount ... or old stuffs to exchange new goods and official will pay some money to manufacturers.

It's effective ! After China government pay some money first, this policy boost Chinese family purchase and China manufacturers sell more goods in internal market, at last government can earn more taxes back from China manufacturers.

国家补助,电器下乡,以旧换新
 
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europe slows, japan slows except for America all US allies slow, coincidence?

-America is a parasite state whos sucks blood from their hosts, better japan get used to it and pulls out their 1 trillion dollars for their own economy
 
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I don't even know why Abe wants to raise taxes yet again. Currently, its not in the best interest to be raising taxes as this will hurt consumer spending.


You ask why he raises tax? Japan's debt to GDP ratio is already astronomical, and Abe is ordering his minion Haruhiko Koruda to print money like a manic and purchase ever more debt from the Japanese government, with Paul Krugman dancing in the background like a teen cheerleader.

If Abe doesn't raise tax, Japan's fiscal account will simply implode, which will be catastrophic.

If Abe does raise tax, Japan's economy will implode, which is also catastrophic.

Abe Shinzo has opened a Pandora's Box and built a sand castle on top of an economic fantasy.
 
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Shinzo Abe and the Three Magic Arrows
Mises Daily: Saturday, June 28, 2014 by Andy Sirkis

Despite claims to the contrary in the mass media, Japan’s economy is continuing to suffer mightily under the leadership of Prime Minister Abe Shinzo. Abe is from a famous family and he’s a convincing talker, so he was able to bamboozle people into believing that he could make Japan prosper with his three arrows. These metaphorical arrows stand for “monetary stimulus,” “fiscal stimulus,” and “structural reform.”

When Abe was elected using his “three arrows” symbolism to attract votes, I thought the Japanese people were beginning to believe in magic. Perhaps they were gullible or a little lazy in thinking or thought they would receive “free stuff” from Abe. No matter, Abe became Prime Minister in December 2012 and shot off his arrows.

With his “monetary stimulus” arrow, Abe arm-twisted the central bank into doubling the money supply in just a few months time. I could just imagine Abe rubbing his palms together and fiendishly muttering “We’re going to be rich, rich, RICH!” All that the central bank had to do was type a few numbers into their computers to make this happen. Naturally, the newly created money was distributed to politically powerful banks.

How did all of this money creation affect the common people? Despite claims that Japan has less than 2 percent inflation, I can assure you that the prices of many goods, especially imported goods like energy, have increased dramatically since the monetary stimulus arrow was fired. Wages, on the other hand, have remained depressed. With higher expenses to pay, Japanese people can’t afford other goods they would like to buy and businesses can’t afford to raise wages, hire, or expand. Only Abe’s bankster friends have profited from this scheme by speculating in the stock market with the counterfeited money that had been credited to their accounts with the central bank computer.

Japanese people are mostly smart enough to realize that typing numbers into a computer can’t make an economy strong, yet they just haven’t figured out that Abe’s monetary stimulus is nothing but a sneaky counterfeiting scheme.

At the same time as the monetary stimulus arrow doubled the money supply, Abe and his gang used their fiscal stimulus arrow to enormously increase spending on government works projects. Unlike capitalists who at least try to invest productive enterprises, the government allocates money based on pull and other political considerations. Wasting money on things like a new sewer system in Kiev, replacing the perfectly good Olympic stadium with an expensive new Olympic stadium, and handing out plum contracts for highways to nowhere will never generate a profit. Government investment is more like consumption, often creating a 100-percent loss.

These money-losing projects weigh heavily on the people. After all, they will have to pay for this waste in the form of higher taxes and higher debt service. Even if by some miracle the fiscal spending created a profit, the money wouldn’t be distributed to the taxpayer. Heads you lose, tails you lose.

Most Japanese people are smart enough to realize that investing in things that lose money can’t make an economy strong, yet they just haven’t figured out that Abe’s fiscal stimulus is nothing but a sneaky scheme to enrich his well-connected friends. After nearly twenty-five years and fifteen rounds of fiscal stimulus spending, you’d have to be totally bamboozled to still be a believer in this failed Keynesian claptrap.

To pay for his “fiscal stimulus” arrow Abe decided to raise taxes and take the money he needed by force. He raised car taxes and income taxes and he raised sales taxes by 60 percent, but he also announced plans to raise sales taxes by 100 percent. He is considering increasing taxes on married people and poor people. With each tax increase and threat of further tax increases, the economy has weakened further.

And what of Abe’s third arrow, “structural reform”? No one knows what this political slogan actually means. It sounds like some modern day form of Soviet era Glasnost, but there’s been no significant deregulation or loosening of government controls that have long stifled the Japanese economy. We do know that Abe has spent a great deal of effort making enemies with the neighbors. Effectively, Abe’s aggressiveness in foreign affairs is the real third arrow.

Abe has severely damaged relations between the peaceful and industrious Japanese people and their business trading partners in the neighboring countries of China, Russia, and South Korea. Business deals such as the effort to build a gas pipeline between Japan and Russia have been scrapped. Profitable trading in South Korea and especially China has been crushed by Abe’s undiplomatic actions. Via his confrontation with China and sanctioning of Russia, Abe has recklessly followed the dictates of the warmongering US government, all to the detriment of the Japanese people.

Abe’s arrows have been praised in the media by the economically ignorant, the politically motivated, and those who believe prosperity is parceled out by some all powerful shaman. However, the arrows, seen in the harsh light of reality, turn out to be counterfeiting schemes, “investing” in money losing ventures, taking money from the productive, and squabbling with the neighbors. These counterproductive political actions won’t ever result in a stronger economy and have instead left the Japanese people with a crushing debt and tax burden. Don’t get taken in by the hogwash you read in mainstream media propaganda pieces.

Abe’s policies are complete and utter failures.
 
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Raising taxes does not seem to play a role in stimulating the economy.Such contradictory policies , how can the economy turns for the better.United States to use currency transfer risk,This is America 's unique ability.
 
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Raising taxes does not seem to play a role in stimulating the economy.Such contradictory policies , how can the economy turns for the better.United States to use currency transfer risk,This is America 's unique ability.

Raising taxes to all already overburdened national citizenry is not the key. What must be implemented is an organization-wide policy change. Japan must trim our already ballooned foreign aid scheme, our taxes are being spent to develop foreigners and foreign lands. Worse is the allegations that corruption and mishandling of Japanese tax payer funds. It is obvious that Japan needs to limit foreign aid schemes to more high quality human resource investment. Second is the issue of energy dependency. It is apparent that these past 3 years since all nuclear reactors were shut down, Japan has suffered by increasing energy imports. It is a necessity to re-activate the nuclear reactors to reduce energy imports, and to ensure energy efficiency. The LDP-Komeito Parties must re-assess their strategem on taxes; reduce taxes for corporations, and reduce taxes for citizenry -- this will encourage consumer spending and encourage corporation growth.
 
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Japan slips into surprise recession, paves way for tax delay, snap poll| Reuters

Reuters is reporting that a tax hike is most certainly not in the cards for the near future, but increased political squabbling is and this is also unhealthy for a nation's economy. With consumer spending already stagnant, an increase in sales taxes will only exacerbate the problems by driving down sales and consumption. It's a lose-lose scenario.

Precisely, and absolutely true. Wages in Japan are actually being affected as the increase in taxes severely affects the common Japanese citizen's ability to purchase goods. It is already quite expensive to live in Japan; and I can say this in my comparison of how much it costs to live here in the United States. It is true that for one: Not only does it cost more to live in Japan, but you get paid substantially less compared to life in the United States. In America, I get paid substantially more than say what I would normally be paid say in Japan, plus cost of living in New Jersey is quite affordable.

Getting second job is becoming a trend in Japan nowadays. This was not so in my parents' generation.
 
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Raising taxes to all already overburdened national citizenry is not the key. What must be implemented is an organization-wide policy change. Japan must trim our already ballooned foreign aid scheme, our taxes are being spent to develop foreigners and foreign lands. Worse is the allegations that corruption and mishandling of Japanese tax payer funds. It is obvious that Japan needs to limit foreign aid schemes to more high quality human resource investment. Second is the issue of energy dependency. It is apparent that these past 3 years since all nuclear reactors were shut down, Japan has suffered by increasing energy imports. It is a necessity to re-activate the nuclear reactors to reduce energy imports, and to ensure energy efficiency. The LDP-Komeito Parties must re-assess their strategem on taxes; reduce taxes for corporations, and reduce taxes for citizenry -- this will encourage consumer spending and encourage corporation growth.

There are better ways to fix the debt problem than raising taxes, namely GDP growth at a faster rate than debt growth. How to raise the GDP growth rate?

1) Trade deals. TPP is right there for the taking, time to spend some political capital. And if TPP is distasteful, Japan should pursue the CJK FTA.
2) Eliminate distorting subsidies. By signing TPP, prices can be lowered (thus spurring consumption), and money can be saved on wasteful subsidies at the same time; it's a win-win situation.
3) Restart the reactors, as you pointed out, and cut energy imports.
4) Address the demographic problem. It pains me to say it, but Japan probably needs to increase immigration rates significantly, since increasing the female participation rate in the workforce is difficult, will take a long time, and has limited room to run.
5) Cut red tape and bureaucracy. The United States is ranked #7 on the World Bank's Ease of Doing Business index. Japan is ranked #29.
6) Reform corporate governance. I already posted a thread about this some time ago:
Interview: Japan’s Corporate Governance ‘Tipping Point’
7) Stop raising taxes, and where possible, cut taxes.

This isn't rocket science. Abe knows what he needs to do. It's time for him to be a statesman and do what is best for Japan, even if it costs him his career. History will judge him kindly.
 
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There are better ways to fix the debt problem than raising taxes, namely GDP growth at a faster rate than debt growth. How to raise the GDP growth rate?

1) Trade deals. TPP is right there for the taking, time to spend some political capital. And if TPP is distasteful, Japan should pursue the CJK FTA.
2) Eliminate distorting subsidies. By signing TPP, prices can be lowered (thus spurring consumption), and money can be saved on wasteful subsidies at the same time; it's a win-win situation.
3) Restart the reactors, as you pointed out, and cut energy imports.
4) Address the demographic problem. It pains me to say it, but Japan probably needs to increase immigration rates significantly, since increasing the female participation rate in the workforce is difficult, will take a long time, and has limited room to run.
5) Cut red tape and bureaucracy. The United States is ranked #7 on the World Bank's Ease of Doing Business index. Japan is ranked #29.
6) Reform corporate governance. I already posted a thread about this some time ago:
Interview: Japan’s Corporate Governance ‘Tipping Point’
7) Stop raising taxes, and where possible, cut taxes.

This isn't rocket science. Abe knows what he needs to do. It's time for him to be a statesman and do what is best for Japan, even if it costs him his career. History will judge him kindly.

Jesus H. Christ. I had no idea China was #90 on that list! o_O China needs to fix that ASAP as its rising labor costs erode its competitive advantage.


"This isn't rocket science. Abe knows what he needs to do. It's time for him to be a statesman and do what is best for Japan, even if it costs him his career. History will judge him kindly"

Therein lies one of my gripes with the democratic system. (not saying it's all bad, btw). Politician Abe will take over and he'll do whatever he can to salvage his career, country's future be damned. And it's not just Abe. We see this all to often in other democratic systems when election time rears its ugly head.

Ok, I'll stop derailing the thread now. :lol:
 
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