Japanese gov't: 1945 Tokyo bombing was ‘against humanitarian principles'

[faithfulguy]

If we are fat and lazy....what does that make you who had to get on your knees to us? Kick us out? You tried to keep us out. Ask grand dad how that went.

If US decides to leave Japan. Russia and China will occupy Japan the next day because they lose out on the occupation of Japan after WWII.

 

[gambit]

Just as I predicted...Crocodile tears for the Japanese.

 

[gambit]

There is evidence that japan was ready to surrender even before the nukes .but they had some condition like ùs ha e nothing to do with their emperor and the imperial family , but usa wanted unconditional surrender so they used the bomb

For what Imperial Japan did to Asia, not just the Allies but the entirety of Asia wanted unconditional surrender. Like it or not, the victor set the demands.

On other hand there is some difference between the death of armed military and unarmed civilians in war time so the death toll was not justifiable and if it was norm of time to kill civilians at those time why so outcry and rage over what japan and germany army did at the war .

Because YOU are shedding crocodile tears for the Japanese.

What I see here is rewriting of history by the victors . Today no one here about the atrocities of yhe victors of that war as if they were angels but everywhere you look you see how demonic the loosing sides of the war were

Even its the case about ww1 while in that war the loosing side was the ones who were mostly wronged

Then do not start wars. No one on the US side said they were 'angels'. This is a cheap debating tactic -- putting words into the others' mouths.

I think you are running out of tissues...

Human experiment akso is against all values but one crime can't justify anither crime

No justifications but retributions.

 

[arp2041]

If you want to know what was bombing of tokyo in 1945 , just look at this link
Bombing of Tokyo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In one bombing raid usa used napalm against a city which was built of wood and they didn't used 1 or 2 bomb in the first raid they used 174 b29 plane filled with incendiary bombs next month on the night of 9 and 10 of march of 1945 they filled 334 b29 plane with napalm and bombed tokyo with that ther result of that bombing was immediate death of 97000 person injury of more than 100000 and around 1000000 people lost their home .

Now if that bombing was not a crime against humanity I don't know what you can call it.

Questioning the conduct of a nation AFTER a war is over is very easy, we can never imagine the condition prevailing at the time of the war, esp. when the war was the GREATEST ever that the humanity had witnessed.

At that time, the Objective of Allies was to end the war asap, since each day passed in WW2 resulted in more & more causality, so they used every resource in there hand to achieve the objective.

Sad but true - Everything is fair in love & WAR.

The only action taken by US in the WW2, which i don't approve of (though my opinion don't matter) is the use of nukes on Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

BTW, Japan should somewhat Introspect & ask - Who started it all in the first PLACE???

 

[gambit]

Questioning the conduct of a nation AFTER a war is over is very easy, we can never imagine the condition prevailing at the time of the war, esp. when the war was the GREATEST ever that the humanity had witnessed.

At that time, the Objective of Allies was to end the war asap, since each day passed in WW2 resulted in more & more causality, so they used every resource in there hand to achieve the objective.

Sad but true - Everything is fair in love & WAR.

The only action taken by US in the WW2, which i don't approve of (though my opinion don't matter) is the use of nukes on Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

I got news for you...

OPERATION KETSU-GO

The sooner the Americans come, the better...One hundred million die proudly.

- Japanese slogan in the summer of 1945.

Japan was finished as a warmaking nation, in spite of its four million men still under arms. But...Japan was not going to quit. Despite the fact that she was militarily finished, Japan's leaders were going to fight right on. To not lose "face" was more important than hundreds and hundreds of thousands of lives. And the people concurred, in silence, without protest. To continue was no longer a question of Japanese military thinking, it was an aspect of Japanese culture and psychology.

- James Jones, WWII

Japanese Homeland Defense Strategy

With the greater part of Japan's troop strength overseas and industrial production suffering under constant American air attacks, the defense of the Japanese home islands presented an enormous challenge to the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters (IGHQ). On 8 April 1945, the Imperial General Headquarters issued orders, to be effective 15 April, activating the First and Second General Armies.(1) These two Armies would be responsible for the ground defense of the Japanese home islands. Also, on 8 April 1945, IGHQ issued an order activating the Air General Army, effective 15 April. The purpose of the new Air General Army was to coordinate the air defense of Japan, providing a single headquarters through which cooperation with the ground forces and the Navy could be expedited in implementing the defense of the home islands.(2) Simultaneously with the activation of the First and Second General Armies and the Air General Army, IGHQ issued orders for the implementation of Ketsu-Go (Decisive) Operation. Defensive in nature, the operation divided the Japanese home territory into seven zones from which to fight the final decisive battles of the Japanese empire.(3)

The strategy for Ketsu-Go was outlined in an 8 April 1945 Army Directive.(4) It stated that the Imperial Army would endeavor to crush the Americans while the invasion force was still at sea. They planned to deliver a decisive blow against the American naval force by initially destroying as many carriers as possible, utilizing the special attack forces of the Air Force and Navy. When the amphibious force approached within range of the homeland airbases, the entire air combat strength would be employed in continual night and day assaults against these ships. In conducting the air operations, the emphasis would be on the disruption of the American landing plans. The principal targets were to be the troop and equipment transports. Those American forces which succeeded in landing would be swiftly attacked by the Imperial Army in order to seek the decisive victory. The principal objective of the land operation was the destruction of the American landing force on the beach.

And more news for you...

Zero Fighter: Syoko Watanabe: 9780275953553: Amazon.com: Books

The Japanese had underground factories building everything from rifles to tanks and to the famous Zero fighter. These underground factories were 'manned' by the elderly and children. Most were malnourished but still believing in the cause.

With Operation Ketsu-go in play, the occupation of the Japanese islands would have been bloody for both sides and despite occupation, the war would not end. This is not counting the battle hardened remnants of the Manchukuo Army which was on the march home. These Japanese may have been defeated on mainland China, but that does not mean they would be useless on the home islands against the occupation.

There must be a way to break the moral backbone of the Japanese leadership and if you think the A-bombs did, you are wrong...

Ky

It happened on the night of 14 August 1945 – 15 August 1945, just prior to announcement of Japan's surrender to the Allies.

The officers, in an attempt to block the decision to surrender to the Allies, killed Lieutenant General Takeshi Mori of the First Imperial Guards Division and attempted to counterfeit an order to the effect of occupying the Tokyo Imperial Palace. They attempted to place the Emperor under house arrest, using the 2nd Brigade Imperial Guard Infantry. They failed to persuade the Eastern District Army (Japan) and the high command of the Imperial Japanese Army to move forward with the action. Due to their failure to convince the remaining army to oust the Imperial House of Japan, they ultimately committed suicide in traditional Japanese form. As a result, the communique of the intent for a Japanese surrender continued as planned.

The A-bombs were dropped on August 6 and 9 of 1945. When the Emperor was ready to surrender, the attempted coup happened on 14 August 1945.

The A-bombs were not sufficient to compelled the military to surrender.

 

[Nike]

For what Imperial Japan did to Asia, not just the Allies but the entirety of Asia wanted unconditional surrender. Like it or not, the victor set the demands.


Because YOU are shedding crocodile tears for the Japanese.


Then do not start wars. No one on the US side said they were 'angels'. This is a cheap debating tactic -- putting words into the others' mouths.

I think you are running out of tissues...


No justifications but retributions.

Don't waste your energy to try to talking with some Nationalist right wings from India, because some Indians are Imperial Japan sympathizer. Just look back at Azzad India, which collaborate with some Japs army back at Myanmar and Ledo campaign.

 

[Sashan]

Don't waste your energy to try to talking with some Nationalist right wings from India, because some Indians are Imperial Japan sympathizer. Just look back at Azzad India, which collaborate with some Japs army back at Myanmar and Ledo campaign.

And what was the need to bring in India or Indians? It is not Indians who is raising the ethical question of using nuclear bombs in WW2 in this thread.

 

[Juice]

Nah Iranian still admire you, just look at their military uniforms. Oh yach their MBT what is name Zulfikar, just happened to be look a like Abrams M1A1. Even though they said they hate your people, they still using F 4 dan F 14 as their backbone.

I personally think we will ditch our differences. They are democratic after a fashion. Not sure if it's the minority or majority that keep things interesting there. Ps....we do NOT go by strict majority rule here.....minority positions, ethnicities etc. are protected from "tyranny of the majority". As Franklin said, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner". Look how often our interest intersect; both were not fond of Saddam or Taliban.

The person he was replying to isn't an Iranian, s/he is a Pakistani.

With Japanese flag too...

If US decides to leave Japan. Russia and China will occupy Japan the next day because they lose out on the occupation of Japan after WWII.

They both got lots of territory on the Asian mainland...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We know that Nippon was treated as yellow monkeys by US, thus they were used as the experiment for their two nukes.

But it doesn't matter, since Nippon themselves were devil as well, it is just one devil got nuked by another devil.

 

[Wright]

We know that Nippon was treated as yellow monkeys by US, thus they were used as the experiment for their two nukes.

But it doesn't matter, since Nippon themselves were devil as well, it is just one devil got nuked by another devil.

You are way too angry dude. Some rap to lighten the mood.

 

[faithfulguy]

Questioning the conduct of a nation AFTER a war is over is very easy, we can never imagine the condition prevailing at the time of the war, esp. when the war was the GREATEST ever that the humanity had witnessed.

At that time, the Objective of Allies was to end the war asap, since each day passed in WW2 resulted in more & more causality, so they used every resource in there hand to achieve the objective.

Sad but true - Everything is fair in love & WAR.

The only action taken by US in the WW2, which i don't approve of (though my opinion don't matter) is the use of nukes on Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

BTW, Japan should somewhat Introspect & ask - Who started it all in the first PLACE???

I agree with most of your posting. The only disagreement is the use of nukes to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This two bombs has so much affects, including force the Russians to join the war. Which in turn cause Japan to surrender. There would have been plenty of Allie and Japanese Casualties if there is an invasion of Japan according to Operation Olympus. So the nukes did saved lives in this case.

 

[kawaraj]

If we are fat and lazy....what does that make you who had to get on your knees to us? Kick us out? You tried to keep us out. Ask grand dad how that went.

History turns.... how did that feel when you crawled all over Pearl Harbor looking for your dentures?

I never deny WWII in the history when Japan afflicted most Asians in that war, but how does it justify your nuclear mass murder of civilian people of a Million when you are already near a victory?

History will remember this blunt retreat of humanity. Your American will be nailed the pillory of civilization.

 

[faithfulguy]

I got news for you...

OPERATION KETSU-GO

And more news for you...

Zero Fighter: Syoko Watanabe: 9780275953553: Amazon.com: Books

The Japanese had underground factories building everything from rifles to tanks and to the famous Zero fighter. These underground factories were 'manned' by the elderly and children. Most were malnourished but still believing in the cause.

With Operation Ketsu-go in play, the occupation of the Japanese islands would have been bloody for both sides and despite occupation, the war would not end. This is not counting the battle hardened remnants of the Manchukuo Army which was on the march home. These Japanese may have been defeated on mainland China, but that does not mean they would be useless on the home islands against the occupation.

There must be a way to break the moral backbone of the Japanese leadership and if you think the A-bombs did, you are wrong...

Ky

The A-bombs were dropped on August 6 and 9 of 1945. When the Emperor was ready to surrender, the attempted coup happened on 14 August 1945.

The A-bombs were not sufficient to compelled the military to surrender.

Actually, I believe that because the Soviets enter the war on the Aug 9th 1945, was the final blow. Several events occur with Russian entrance into the war

Russia was making quick advances in the Keril and Sakhalin. With this advances, the are poised to advance into the Japanese main islands. Especially Hakkaido but maybe also northern Honshu. After witness the division of Germany, further Russian advances would create a division of Japan.
The Kwantung army was also defeated rapidly by the Russians. Operation Ketsu-Go counted on the return of Kwantung army. There might not be must resistance that the imperial army can offer if it does not have the main armies from its Asian mainland.

As a result, Japan choose to surrender and have one power occupy it instead of multiple powers split up Japan. A smart move in their part. Finally, they negotiated to keep the emperor.

 

[faithfulguy]

Don't waste your energy to try to talking with some Nationalist right wings from India, because some Indians are Imperial Japan sympathizer. Just look back at Azzad India, which collaborate with some Japs army back at Myanmar and Ledo campaign.

Many Indians support Subhas Chandra Bose because he fight against Britain and a for Japan after WWII. But he dies because the Japanese were known for assassinate its poppet and Bose definitely fit the profile of a Japanese WWII poppet.

Indian should support the British as they removed the 800 years of Muslim rule and united India into one country.

 

[navtrek]

Is this the rebirth of fascism or rather the flourish of the never-dead-fascism in Japan? First Abe denied invading Asian neighbors in WWII, and now they are saying what America did in WWII to save Asia-Pacific was against humanitarian principles? Those Japanese had long lost 'humanity' before America tried to end the war, no wonder the current crop of Japanese politicians (and whoever is supporting them) have no shame left now.

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Putting it simply it was war and no country was innocent Japan or the USA both committed atrocities and the US still continues it all pure national interests.

We require two hands to clap, the blame is not on one sided. Both are equally responsible for what happen.