Japan seeks defence ties with Asean

[zxmint]

We will accept China when she become strong and GOOD enough

We really don't need you accept China, really. You overestimate yourself too much.

So stop being an Imperialist country then follow International law then alam mo na man pala (See you know that truth to be true)



So stop being an Imperialist country then follow International law then alam mo na man pala (See you know that truth to be true)

What if International court sentence Manila to be Chinese territory? Are you gonna accept it? So likewise.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Being nice to the ungrateful folks doesn't work in the current world with only the law of the jungle.

 

[zxmint]

WTF do I have anything to do with it?

If you want to play it that way then okay, then stop being a small country next to a big country. That's the way the world works. Deal with it.

I start to believe that where people live has influence on their minds and ways of thinking```You cannot make them understand what we think about the world. When you want to seriously discuss about something, they will think you as offensive and arrogant. Or they just pretend to be poor and bullied, whatever, leave them alone.

 

[zxmint]

Well, land border cannot do anything in a seaborne skimishes. He is talking about blockading the whole SCS. Will China invade Vietnam after the blockade (It's totally legal to do so anyway) would be another fator, bt in this scenario, focus only on naval engagment.


Because he is talking crap

And do anybody reckon everytime Niceguy got ban, Viva Viet will become active. Strange wasn't it??



Dude, you are talking about blockading SCS and "Crumble the Chinese Economy in 3 weeks"

Tell me, how you try to Crumble the economy of China in 3 weeks while asking them to help fight the US??

I literally fall off my arse and landed in my wooden floorboard .

This is your word not mine.

Ok, let's say that you "Sway" the Chinese to such a suicide position. Without the Chinese on the topic, US Pacific Fleet alone could have defeated the Russian Navy come everywhere they might. If we can't we'll call for help, the Pacific fleet are only 1/3 ot half of what we got, We can call the Atlantic Fleet, we can call up the US coast guard which is considered a bigger organisation than the People's Vietnam Army, Navy itself. And we can call the Singaporean Which host the US Naval Losgistic Pacigic command, also we can call the Philippine and Japan and South Korea. Swaying allied is not the patent of Vietnam. As least our allied sounded more possible than your so called VN-Russian-Chinese Allied Power.

Russia is not stupid, they will not dedicate 100% to secure something that illegal to start with and do not contribute to them anyway (Russian Do not share the SCS and most of their logistic done by the Northern Route anyway) Even if they are stupid enough to indulge your Vietnamese Dream, it would only be a small scale. As i said, Blockading a EEZ is violating International Law, unless Russian want to totally lose face, they will not even consider doing something like that.

Dude, if they have to choose between India and Vietnam. They would have gone for India 100% anyday, no question asked. And blocking SCS also damage Indian economy, in exchange for what? A tiny remote island called Guam which have nothing but some specuaular beaches and water front resort??

The first mine you guy laid, would be the last mine you guys laid.

Stop dreaming dude



True. But that does not seems to deter people in this forum to have a wet dream on something they don't have, something they WON'T have.



Again, he is just listing one of his wet dream on his parallel universe. He still remain in the 70s where all communist brother should united and fight the power. It's probably very echoing in the 70s but no such things like this anymore.

In his dream, he still think Vietnam is untouchable and if Vietnam win the SCS on behalf of China and Russia against those western puppet, they will let the Chinese share their victory....

Poor Viet boy really thinks they defeat Americans by themselves...Sounds like North Koreans....Actually your words are quite modest compared to the fact. The Pacific fleet with 6 CV battle groups alone is much stronger than the whole Russian Navy+ PLA Navy indeed. That's why China never asks for the ability to challenge US hegemony in Asia-Pacific Area. We can see and never deny this huge gap.

And what the hell is Russia-VN alliance?

 

[Soryu]

I am talking about International relationships, not interpersonal ones. There is no such a word called morality between countries. Anyway, if you really so childish to think that morality works between countries, then why did you betray us 30 years ago? We were so stupid to do our best to help you expel French and Americans. Since soon after that, you use China -aid- rice as machine gun shelters and use free weapons sent by China without charging anything to shoot our people who lived in the frontier. A traitor who know nothing about thanksgiving, that is what Chinese people feel like what Vietnam is. So how shameless you are to talk about morality with me?

As to territory, China government's sovereignty claim is always consistent. At least so far China has been quite restraining itself to use military force to get back our islands which are occupied by other countries illegally. OK, if you also claim sovereignty, then it makes no sense that we argue here in the internet, it can change nothing.



Yes, we were even not GOOD enough to aid Viet selflessly to expel French and Americans for a return like this.

LOL, now, again, don't dare to answer my question, but turn out "betray" chorus
Here your "betray"

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/240345-japan-seeks-defence-ties-asean-5.html#post4049979

_ So follow your argument, it like this: "If you don't want betray China, you must keep your nation divided and under control from China" <<< How good China was.

_ So what did Vietnam does to betrayed China? Follow the timeline:

+ 1954, China joined Geneva conference, and made Vietnam stop and accept divided at 17th parallel.
+ 1968-1970, Vietnam refuse to joined with China against Soviet Union, want to be neutral.
+ 1972, Mao Zedong shaked hand with Richard Nixon. And at December - 1972 USA bombing nearly all North Vietnam by B-52. China have no complain anything.
+ 1974, at one year before Vietnam unified, China took a good chance then occupied Paracel Island by military force. USA stand out, do nothing for South Vietnam (a gift from US).
+ 1975, Vietnam unified, China began send a large amount aid and weapon, adviser for Khmer-rough in Cambodia.
+ 1976 -1977, Khmer-rough attacked Vietnam many times, kills thousands innocent civillian.
+ 1978, Khmer-rough made a decision used 2 millions Khmer to kills 50 millions Vietnamese. Vietnam has been made a counter-attack which became a full-scale invasion to wipe out Khmer-rough, the genocide government was kill millions Cambodian in time its rule. After that, PRC condemned Vietnam. Vietnam signed alliance fact with Soviet Union in November, 1978.

+ 1979, after USA refused set a normalization relationship with Vietnam. PRC launch a attack on six border province of Vietnam who was nearly defeat Khmer-rough in Cambodia ( China call this "self-defense counterattack against Vietnam", but everyone know that if China did not open the war, Khmer-rough - genocidal force will be destroyed.

+ 1988, Soviet Union and Socialist block in crisis, and changes happened. China take another chance, attacked Vietnam in Spartly Islands when Vietnam also in crisis and tired from Cambodia war.

So who is betrayed!?

_ It's clear that best way for keep the others under your control and depend on you was make them weak and divided
_ And with that thought, This was how China treat Korea in 1951 (with America) and Vietnam in 1954 (with France) and 1972 (with America - China want contiue that way in 1973 at Paris but failed)

_ And yet, Chinese keep crying everywhere that "Vietnam betrayed us, we (will) teach Vietnam lesson", LOL.

You keep saying bullshjt about political and international power to cover your @ss, but crying about betray and grateful....

Your old trick not work....

 

[zxmint]

Personally, i don't want war in SCS. After stuff i have seen in iraq and afghanistan. I think i have seen enough war for more than 1 lifetime. Problem is, i hate people who talk about war as if it's no big deal. People watch TV, see movie and think war are a simple thing, and it's the only way you can do to feel strong. Then i can tell you this, this is not gonna make you feel anything. But a sense of waste. I spend more than 2 years to get back on track, and i still have nightmare every now and then, and i thought about stuff that i do and stuff that i did not do and how it may have been affected the outcome. Trust me, not that the killing will get you in wars, but the stuff happened when you are clam and have time to think about it.

I kind of understand why Chinese member brag about war here. But Vietnamese?? Dude, you lot have seen 3 wars in less than 50 year, ain't that already enough??

Don't get me wrong, if trouble come find you, you needed to be prepared. but what's the point if you go look for trouble??

And yeah, about the ship, more destroyer is a must but i guess as best vietnamese need is a potent force. Otherwise it will trigger an arms race in South Asia and Vietnam have niether manpower nor resource to sustain a arms race.....THat will not be good then

So you used to be a member of US Army I guess? The experience of viewing ppl get killed or even kill ppl by yourself must be a huge shock and could be unforgettable in a life time. You know that most people here are teens and have no sense about wars. We Chinese often say that the people who clamor wars are most likely to flee when a war really comes.

 

[zxmint]

LOL, now, again, don't dare to answer my question, but turn out "betray" chorus
Here your "betray"

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/240345-japan-seeks-defence-ties-asean-5.html#post4049979

You keep saying bullshjt about political and international power to cover your @ss, but crying about betray and grateful....

Your old trick not work....

It is you who mentioned morality first, how could you be so shameless & rascally?
Whatever, no need to wake you up. Just keep dreaming and YY to blockade China(together with Russians? OK, no problem~~~).

 

[Soryu]

It is you who mentioned morality first, how could you be so shameless & rascally?
Whatever, no need to wake you up. Just keep dreaming and YY to blockade China(together with Russians? OK, no problem~~~).

Keep ignore and arrogant in your China Dream...
So you have it in your head? Think that we want Vietnam ally with other and bullying you!? LOL
You should tell your people in China wake up from their YY fiction in net....

 

[faithfulguy]

Poor Viet boy really thinks they defeat Americans by themselves...Sounds like North Koreans....Actually your words are quite modest compared to the fact. The Pacific fleet with 6 CV battle groups alone is much stronger than the whole Russian Navy+ PLA Navy indeed. That's why China never asks for the ability to challenge US hegemony in Asia-Pacific Area. We can see and never deny this huge gap.

And what the hell is Russia-VN alliance?

US naval power and to the extend military power is much greater compare to all other countries. US military is build to handle China and Russia and defeat them simultaneously, which it can easily do if its battle in the open seas.

 

[shuttler]

US naval power and to the extend military power is much greater compare to all other countries. US military is build to handle China and Russia and defeat them simultaneously, which it can easily do if its battle in the open seas.

If the us wants to counter China + Russia, it wont be just a naval war. It will be an all-out WW3.

 

[EastSea]

Being nice to the ungrateful folks doesn't work in the current world with only the law of the jungle.

1950 Mao went Moscow begged Stalin to join Socialist pact, but traitor China betrayed and attacked on (Soviet) Russia 1969, kneed before Uncle Sam 1972. Now, China is fear from Uncla Sam and Japan, one time again your President begged Putin in Moscow recently. Traitor don't change his mentality.

 

[Sashan]

While economically Vietnam need to stay within ASEAN, defencewise Vietnam will do with well with Japan, US and India and ditch the countries like Cambodia who is doing China's bidding though they know what China did through Khmer Rouge.(but who can blame Hun Sen who is nothing but ex-Khmer?

 

[faithfulguy]

If the us wants to counter China + Russia, it wont be just a naval war. It will be an all-out WW3.

I'm talking about a limited scale war. If US attack China or Russia and one of them respond with nuclear missiles, than it would be WWIII

 

[shuttler]

I'm talking about a limited scale war. If US attack China or Russia and one of them respond with nuclear missiles, than it would be WWIII

if a conflict does happen between usa (and or nato) vs China / Russia it wont be on limited scale.
Who will fight a war promising the opposing country to limit the scale at naval level? impossible! usa China and Russia possess almost all the nuke heads in the world

 

[zxmint]

Keep ignore and arrogant in your China Dream...
So you have it in your head? Think that we want Vietnam ally with other and bullying you!? LOL
You should tell your people in China wake up from their YY fiction in net....

That is what your fellow Viets said in this forum, and I really feel bored to find it out. Just go and play around, no sense to talk with you kid.