Japan ready to finance India’s coal-fuelled projects

[Bussard Ramjet]

Japan and India are strategic partners and are not meant to or seek destruction of any country. Also, I should lecture you that Japan also cherishes our deep relationship with Pakistan.

Japan's policy with South Asia is not based on geopolitics to cause division. If you look into Japanese modern history our policy with South Asia is based on what Ohira Masayoshi's concept of Omnidirectionality and comprehensive relations. Look at our relations with Pakistan, India, Bangladesh,
Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan...and you will see this.

South Asia has always been critical for us ever since. And this region will be the driver of growth for this century. This is home to over 1.6 Billion people after all.

Are you really telling me that your strategy has nothing to do with China?

 

[kaku1]

Japan and India are strategic partners and are not meant to or seek destruction of any country. Also, I should lecture you that Japan also cherishes our deep relationship with Pakistan.

Japan's policy with South Asia is not based on geopolitics to cause division. If you look into Japanese modern history our policy with South Asia is based on what Ohira Masayoshi's concept of Omnidirectionality and comprehensive relations. Look at our relations with Pakistan, India, Bangladesh,
Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan...and you will see this.

South Asia has always been critical for us ever since. And this region will be the driver of growth for this century. This is home to over 1.6 Billion people after all.

But Abe think pretty different, it seems like. He is seriously pressing to re-initiate QSD. Japan knows how much Australia and India is important for its strategical purpose.

 

[Aepsilons]

Well, we have one brother who covets our territory, funds and supports extremists to kill our forces and civvies, funds and supports extremists to take over another brotherly country to rule them with barbaric 7th century laws, suppresses/rapes/massacres half (more than) its population, repeatedly invades our country to annex our territory and daily threatens us with nuclear annihilation.
What do you think one should do of such brother?

I understand the history between India and Pakistan. Both have immense national pride as so they should since they are both power brokers for the region.

But I think it would be best if in the future both India and Pakistan better relations through increased trade , increased friendly and pragmatic intergovernmentalism. The more stable relations are between Islamabad and New Delhi, the better for the region and Asia.

Despite the politics I know from personal experience how Pakistanis and Indians get along as I have friends who are Pakistanis and Indians.

Are you really telling me that your strategy has nothing to do with China?

China does not dictate our policies and we are not obsessed with China when we rapport with South Asia.

For one, I do not approve of it when people here will equate Japanese and Pakistani relations as being ineffective because Pakistan and China are partners. That is not so. Both Pakistan and Japan operate independent of Chinese clout and this relationship in fact Pakistan was the first country that Japan established normal relations with in 1947.

I don't approve of this concept of favoritism between nations. I think Indians, Japanese, Pakistanis need to adopt a more enlightened approach.

It's not always us vs them thinking. Such is a sign of paranoia.

 

[kaku1]

China does not dictate our policies and we are not obsessed with China when we rapport with South Asia.

For one, I do not approve of it when people here will equate Japanese and Pakistani relations as being ineffective because Pakistan and China are partners. That is not so. Both Pakistan and Japan operate independent of Chinese clout and this relationship in fact Pakistan was the first country that Japan established normal relations with in 1947.

I don't approve of this concept of favoritism between nations. I think Indians, Japanese, Pakistanis need to adopt a more enlightened approach.

It's not always us vs them thinking. Such is a sign of paranoia.

Since its birth, like Japan, India too using its soft power. Japan or India never threatened ASEAN neighbors with war, even when some ASEAN neighbors was threatening India with war.

But I think Japan too started to play realpolitik, and started to flexing for muscle, for 70 yrs Japan tried to be soft power. it would be naive if Japan close his eyes that what China doing in SCS. It threaten whole Japan strategic position in region.

The Vietnam see Japan, that they come in securing there arse. Japan has its own compulsions to fulfill in this region.

 

[Aepsilons]

Since its birth, like Japan, India too using its soft power. Japan or India never threatened ASEAN neighbors with war, even when some ASEAN neighbors was threatening India with war.

But I think Japan too started to play realpolitik, and started to flexing for muscle, for 70 yrs Japan tried to be soft power. it would be naive if Japan close his eyes that what China doing in SCS. It threaten whole Japan strategic position in region.

The Vietnam see Japan, that they come in securing there arse. Japan have its own compulsions to fulfill.

Yes what you say is right. But let us not talk about this country to my nation's western border. Let us talk of India and Japan.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Since its birth, like Japan, India too using its soft power. Japan or India never threatened ASEAN neighbors with war, even when some ASEAN neighbors was threatening India with war.

But I think Japan too started to play realpolitik, and started to flexing for muscle, for 70 yrs Japan tried to be soft power. it would be naive if Japan close his eyes that what China doing in SCS. It threaten whole Japan strategic position in region.

The Vietnam see Japan, that they come in securing there arse. Japan has its own compulsions to fulfill in this region.

"Since it's birth"?

Umm.. Do you consider the birth of Japan what after the World War?

It pretty much wreaked a lot of havoc on China and Korea for quite a number of years. And it was not only military. Japanese occupation was felt by the Chinese and Korean people in very personal and intimate ways. Many people in modern day China and Korea, have grandparents who can actually recount the horrendous tales of pretty inhumane capacity. Nanking Massacre and Unit 730, along with the whole sexual slavery issue is a fact, which the Japanese establishment is not willing to recognize.

There can be no reconciliation in Asia, until the Japanese come up with a thorough and deep felt apology from the society. Not the for face ones like Kono statement or Murayama statement, where not only are most issues not mentioned, senior politicians the very next day go on around rejecting claims of a of WW2 attrocities.

 

[Aepsilons]

"Since it's birth"?

Umm.. Do you consider the birth of Japan what after the World War?

It pretty much wreaked a lot of havoc on China and Korea for quite a number of years. And it was not only military. Japanese occupation was felt by the Chinese and Korean people in very personal and intimate ways. Many people in modern day China and Korea, have grandparents who can actually recount the horrendous tales of pretty inhumane capacity. Nanking Massacre and Unit 730, along with the whole sexual slavery issue is a fact, which the Japanese establishment is not willing to recognize.

There can be no reconciliation in Asia, until the Japanese come up with a thorough and deep felt apology from the society. Not the for face ones like Kono statement or Murayama statement, where not only are most issues not mentioned, senior politicians the very next day go on around rejecting claims of a of WW2 attrocities.

Hmmm, so what's your intentions here dude? Besides trying to get a reaction.

 

[kaku1]

"Since it's birth"?

Umm.. Do you consider the birth of Japan what after the World War?

It pretty much wreaked a lot of havoc on China and Korea for quite a number of years. And it was not only military. Japanese occupation was felt by the Chinese and Korean people in very personal and intimate ways. Many people in modern day China and Korea, have grandparents who can actually recount the horrendous tales of pretty inhumane capacity. Nanking Massacre and Unit 730, along with the whole sexual slavery issue is a fact, which the Japanese establishment is not willing to recognize.

There can be no reconciliation in Asia, until the Japanese come up with a thorough and deep felt apology from the society. Not the for face ones like Kono statement or Murayama statement, where not only are most issues not mentioned, senior politicians the very next day go on around rejecting claims of a of WW2 attrocities.

Read the sentence again.

Since its birth, like Japan, India too using its soft power.

Still not able to get it?

It pretty much wreaked a lot of havoc on China and Korea for quite a number of years. And it was not only military. Japanese occupation was felt by the Chinese and Korean people in very personal and intimate ways. Many people in modern day China and Korea, have grandparents who can actually recount the horrendous tales of pretty inhumane capacity. Nanking Massacre and Unit 730, along with the whole sexual slavery issue is a fact, which the Japanese establishment is not willing to recognize.

There can be no reconciliation in Asia, until the Japanese come up with a thorough and deep felt apology from the society. Not the for face ones like Kono statement or Murayama statement, where not only are most issues not mentioned, senior politicians the very next day go on around rejecting claims of a of WW2 attrocities.

So, what India doing for autocracies that Britain did with its colonies?

And why we fought WW1 and WW2? It was our war?

 

[Aepsilons]

Read the sentence again.

Since its birth, like Japan, India too using its soft power.

Still not able to get it?



So, what India doing for autocracies that Britain did with its colonies?

And why we fought WW1 and WW2? It was our war?

Well said, Bhai.

 

[The Great One]

I understand the history between India and Pakistan. Both have immense national pride as so they should since they are both power brokers for the region.

But I think it would be best if in the future both India and Pakistan better relations through increased trade , increased friendly and pragmatic intergovernmentalism. The more stable relations are between Islamabad and New Delhi, the better for the region and Asia.

Despite the politics I know from personal experience how Pakistanis and Indians get along as I have friends who are Pakistanis and Indians.

More trade?
Of course. We want that. In fact we want far more than normal relationship with them. The problem is not us
Pak yet to grant most favoured nation status to India - The Times of India

India granted MFN status to Pakistan in 1996.

Our PM went to Pakistan in a bus
Rediff On The NeT: Vajpayee drives across the border into Pakistan and history
and we got this in return
Kargil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Occupation by Pakistan

Infiltration and military build-up
During the winter season, due to extreme cold in the snow-capped mountainous areas of Kashmir, it was a common practice for both the Indian and Pakistan Armies to abandon some forward posts on their respective sides of the LOC and to reduce patrolling of areas that may be avenues of infiltration. When weather conditions became less severe, forward posts would be reoccupied and patrolling resumed.

During February 1999, the Pakistan Army began to re-occupy the posts it had abandoned on its side of the LOC in the Kargil region, but also sent forces to occupy some posts on the Indian side of the LOC.

May 3 Pakistani intrusion in Kargil reported by local shepherds
May 5 Indian Army patrol sent up; Five Indian soldiers captured and tortured to death.

Ties had reasonably normalized till 2008 despite continuing terrorist attacks
2006 Mumbai train bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
, when we were given this show
2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But this was the final straw
2008 Mumbai attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


That event, the capture of Pakistani terrorist, Pakistans shameless (and expected) denial, a sham of a trial and zero action against even a single terrorist have convinced us of Pakistan's inherent disposition. We were and still are for trade and Pakistan is still opposing it be it granting of MFN status (which they cheekily renamed {Non-Discriminatory Market Access}) or at least normalizing trade, if not directly then through multilaterals
Disappointment at Saarc as Pakistan blocks 3 key connectivity agreements - The Times of India

I know you're trying to do a 'neutral analysis' here. I just want to say that its erroneous.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I understand the history between India and Pakistan. Both have immense national pride as so they should since they are both power brokers for the region.

But I think it would be best if in the future both India and Pakistan better relations through increased trade , increased friendly and pragmatic intergovernmentalism. The more stable relations are between Islamabad and New Delhi, the better for the region and Asia.

Despite the politics I know from personal experience how Pakistanis and Indians get along as I have friends who are Pakistanis and Indians.

A noble sentiment my friend but let us not loose sight of the fact that to this day Pakistan is not only harbouring masterminds of previous atrocities on Indian civilians but continues to invest in an infrastructure whose sole purpose is to cause harm to India's populace.

You cannot have peace under these circumstances and I am sure the leadership in Japan is not ignorant to these facts. Japan can continue to have ties with both nations but if, god forbid, another 26/11 occurs Japan is going to have to choose a side. Pakistan's state-sponsored terror machine is already causing "awkwardness" for their closest friend (China), Japan is a responsible nation and I am confident they will react in a mature fashion whatever the circumstance.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Read the sentence again.

Since its birth, like Japan, India too using its soft power.

Still not able to get it?



So, what India doing for autocracies that Britain did with its colonies?

And why we fought WW1 and WW2? It was our war?

The British atrocities are in no league to Japan's. Indian suffering in the 19th and 20th centuries were in no league of China's. You will have to carefully read both histories to understand. Hence, is the reason behind the difference in attitude.

Britain didn't go around killing millions of Indians. (That is if you ignore famines) Their is nothing remotely at the scale of Nanking Massacre or Unit 730 in India. The poster boy for British atrocities is seen as the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, which was the killing of 400-1100 deaths.

The difference is in scale and horror man. How many Indians can recite stories that Chinese can? Stories of migrating due to war, abduction, killings, mutilations?

A noble sentiment my friend but let us not loose sight of the fact that to this day Pakistan is not only harbouring masterminds of previous atrocities on Indian civilians but continues to invest in an infrastructure whose sole purpose is to cause harm to India's populace.

You cannot have peace under these circumstances and I am sure the leadership in Japan is not ignorant to these facts. Japan can continue to have ties with both nations but if, god forbid, another 26/11 occurs Japan is going to have to choose a side. Pakistan's state-sponsored terror machine is already causing "awkwardness" for their closest friend (China), Japan is a responsible nation and I am confident they will react in a mature fashion whatever the circumstance.

I don't think anything similar will happen. As far as I know, Doval has already said that he is for targeted killings of terrorists inside Pakistani territory.
Frankly, Pakistan isn't even a real country!
Doval knows a lot to deal with this non-state state.

 

[kaku1]

The British atrocities are in no league to Japan's. Indian suffering in the 19th and 20th centuries were in no league of China's. You will have to carefully read both histories to understand. Hence, is the reason behind the difference in attitude.

So, now you want to match leagues in killings?

Britain didn't go around killing millions of Indians. (That is if you ignore famines) Their is nothing remotely at the scale of Nanking Massacre or Unit 730 in India. The poster boy for British atrocities is seen as the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, which was the killing of 400-1100 deaths.

Why ignore famines?

The difference is in scale and horror man. How many Indians can recite stories that Chinese can? Stories of migrating due to war, abduction, killings, mutilations?

Seems like you forget apartheid.

 

[Aepsilons]

The British atrocities are in no league to Japan's. Indian suffering in the 19th and 20th centuries were in no league of China's. You will have to carefully read both histories to understand. Hence, is the reason behind the difference in attitude.

Britain didn't go around killing millions of Indians. (That is if you ignore famines) Their is nothing remotely at the scale of Nanking Massacre or Unit 730 in India. The poster boy for British atrocities is seen as the Jallianwala Bagh massacre, which was the killing of 400-1100 deaths.

The difference is in scale and horror man. How many Indians can recite stories that Chinese can? Stories of migrating due to war, abduction, killings, mutilations?



I don't think anything similar will happen. As far as I know, Doval has already said that he is for targeted killings of terrorists inside Pakistani territory.
Frankly, Pakistan isn't even a real country!
Doval knows a lot to deal with this non-state state.

Lol. Are you even Indian?

A black flag perhaps?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Lol. Are you even Indian?

A black flag perhaps?

Why? Test me! And anyways what will I be if not Indian?
Surely not a Pakistani, I don't consider it even a state.
Chinese? Except a strange one who can't speak any Chinese.
Perhaps Overseas Chinese? A further strange one because I am vegetarian, and every overseas Chinese I know, large part of their identity exists with the food.