Japan may boost immigrant numbers

[Aepsilons]

you comparing indian middle class in india compare to japanese middle class? There is no comparison.

In terms of work structure, upward mobility, emphasis in education, professionalism, consumerism , there is similarity.

The same as how Chinese middle class might be comparable , also, to Japanese middle class.

 

[mahesh.]

you comparing indian middle class in india compare to japanese middle class? There is no comparison.

What I mean to say is mostly only middle to upper class are the ones who immigrate most (legally). Middle class Indians migrate more than upper class. I already told you I dont know about expenses in Japan and the living style. I was clarifying about his statement about Indians.

 

[Aepsilons]

What I mean to say is mostly only middle to upper class are the ones who immigrate most (legally). Middle class Indians migrate more than upper class. I already told you I dont know about expenses in Japan and the living style. I was clarifying about his statement about Indians.

Indian middle class are also very well educated. In Japan we have a lot of Indian engineers, research analysts, software developers, graduate and doctoral (Ph.D) students, and college lecturers in many of Japanese universities.

Here in the United States, i notice that there are alot of Indian H1B holders who are in graduate programs as well. There are a lot of Indians (and Pakistanis) in the health field here, too. Lots of Indians that are nurses and physicians in the United States.

I think that India produces very good health professionals, btw.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Prove to me that it has happened in a multicultural society and killed it. Protip: You can't.
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Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, the USSR, Northern Ireland, Sudan, Iraq, India, Lebanon, Belgium, the United Kingdom, Spain. Etc. This is so obvious that I suspect you're trolling.

The rest of your comment is merely further demonstration that you are in denial of reality and elevate ideology over history and fact.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

I usually like your posts but you got me surprised as hell there buddy. Are you sure what you are saying is true factually? Personal bias is fine btw, just as long as the information being presented is factually accurate.....Immigration produces visionaries like Steve Jobs, a better economy, a LOT of investments due to people's relatives living here (In TX and FL for example, rich people from Mexico, Brazil, Columbia buy homes on cash as they have relatives manage their properties and they come and go for vacations, etc, just as one example. I read somewhere post 9/11 that the Middle Easterners had invested back then, over 600 BILLION in our stock market and majority of them have legal immigration status to come and go).

So I am not sure how you statement is right. Yes, I am aware of issues with the Mexican population and crimes and drugs, etc. But that's really not immigration. That's people coming over illegally......

@Chinese-Dragon has already done an exceptional job explaining my position, so I have nothing to add. There is a tendency in this thread to erect straw men and claim that I am anti-immigrant, which is categorically untrue. There is no American that is not a descendant of immigrants. I love immigrants and the ambition--and if we're lucky, despite our current broken immigration system, sometimes even skills and wealth--that they bring with them.

But none of that is worth it if they're going to come to the US and plant bombs at the Boston Marathon because they don't like the "American Way." I don't know how to be more clear about this. If you love America and want to immigrate here, why would you not want to also embrace the American way of life? What's the point of fleeing one's bankrupt and totalitarian South American country, and then support policies that will lead the United States to also become bankrupt and totalitarian? There are other bankrupt and totalitarian countries they can immigrate to, and very often, those countries use the same language; they should go there instead, for both of our sakes.

Come here, and be American, and I don't care about your race, national origin, religion, or background. You are welcome here, and as far as I'm concerned, as American as descendants of the original passengers on the Mayflower. Come here and agitate for communism, totalitarianism, racial supremacy, Jihad, or whatever else that is alien to our value system, and you will be my enemy. It's that simple.

 

[That Guy]

Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, the USSR, Northern Ireland, Sudan, Iraq, India, Lebanon, Belgium, the United Kingdom. Etc. This is so obvious that I suspect you're trolling.

The rest of your comment is merely further demonstration that you are in denial of reality and elevate ideology over history and fact.

Pfffft, oh my God, really? lol. Are you seriously giving me such dumb examples?

Czechoslovakia, a nation that basically was a communist state most of it's life, then broke apart after the (surprise surprise) the USSR did.

Yugoslavia broke because of ethnic tensions, not multiculturalism. The culture was pretty much the same across the board for Yugoslavia, regardless of ethnicity, but it was ethnic tensions between the Slavs, the Bosnian and the Croatians that it ended up becoming a civil war.

Norther Ireland, really? Are you going to use this example and ignore Ireland's history, and the tension between Catholics and protestants? Again, has nothing to do with multiculturalism.

Sudan? Ethnic tensions, resource warfare, and a dominant cultural trying to force itself on other cultures through the use of violence. Not multiculturalism, but rather forced mono-culturalism.

Iraq? Is still technically united, but breaking because of the aftermath of the US-led Iraq war, and because a part of Kurdistan is also in Iraq. Not multiculturalism.

India? It's standing strong, and is going to get stronger. Like the US, India has different cultures from state to state, but they're united because of a shared sense of national identity.

Lebanon? United, has religious tensions, but the culture is pretty much mono-culture (Arab culture prevails, regardless of religious background). Not multiculturalism.

Belgium? It's still a rich nation, and nowhere near broken. I don't get why this was mentioned...unless you're trolling.

UK? Seriously? The UK was and still technically a nation that has colonies. It's not breaking because of multiculturalism, rather, it's because of it's colonial past. In fact, it's increasingly likely that the UK is here to stay, and Scotland will NOT split off from the UK, as independence is still not considered super popular among the general population.


I'm beginning to think you're a troll, nothing more. You wanna talk about history, how about you actually learn history because spouting nonsense.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Pfffft, oh my God, really? lol. Are you seriously giving me such dumb examples?

Czechoslovakia, a nation that basically was a communist state most of it's life, then broke apart after the (surprise surprise) the USSR did.

Yugoslavia broke because of ethnic tensions, not multiculturalism. The culture was pretty much the same across the board for Yugoslavia, regardless of ethnicity, but it was ethnic tensions between the Slavs, the Bosnian and the Croatians that it ended up becoming a civil war.

Norther Ireland, really? Are you going to use this example and ignore Ireland's history, and the tension between Catholics and protestants? Again, has nothing to do with multiculturalism.

Sudan? Ethnic tensions, resource warfare, and a dominant cultural trying to force itself on other cultures through the use of violence. Not multiculturalism, but rather forced mono-culturalism.

Iraq? Is still technically united, but breaking because of the aftermath of the US-led Iraq war, and because a part of Kurdistan is also in Iraq. Not multiculturalism.

India? It's standing strong, and is going to get stronger. Like the US, India has different cultures from state to state, but they're united because of a shared sense of national identity.

Lebanon? United, has religious tensions, but the culture is pretty much mono-culture (Arab culture prevails, regardless of religious background). Not multiculturalism.

Belgium? It's still a rich nation, and nowhere near broken. I don't get why this was mentioned...unless you're trolling.

UK? Seriously? The UK was and still technically a nation that has colonies. It's not breaking because of multiculturalism, rather, it's because of it's colonial past. In fact, it's increasingly likely that the UK is here to stay, and Scotland will NOT split off from the UK, as independence is still not considered super popular among the general population.


I'm beginning to think you're a troll, nothing more. You wanna talk about history, how about you actually learn history because spouting nonsense.

You have denied that ethnic differences, religious differences, language differences, historical differences, and value system differences are examples of multi-culturalism. When you try and inevitably fail to salvage some example of multi-culturalism after dismissing the very definition of multi-culturalism, you will understand what I'm talking about. However, since you are safe in your left-wing bubble, the prognosis is not good.

As far as dismissing the examples that you didn't understand, that merely illustrates your lack of intellectual curiosity, nothing more.

 

[That Guy]

You have denied that ethnic differences, religious differences, language differences, historical differences, and value system differences are examples of multi-culturalism.

I did no such thing, rather I pointed out a root cause. instead of blaming an entire system that has nothing to do with the conflicts in question. Just because you have a cough, it doesn't mean you have lung cancer; Just because one thing is related to multiculturalism, doesn't mean it is multiculturalism. Cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

When you try and inevitably fail to salvage some example of multi-culturalism after dismissing the very definition of multi-culturalism, you will understand what I'm talking about. However, since you are safe in your left-wing bubble, the prognosis is not good.

Again, I did not such thing. You yourself don't know what you're talking about, as nothing you've said makes any sense. My political orientation can't negate facts, and the fact is that you're proven nothing but your own ignorance of history.

As far as dismissing the examples that you didn't understand, that merely illustrates your lack of intellectual curiosity, nothing more.

I dismiss something that doesn't have any historical merit, such as your absurd examples. You just named a bunch of countries who's history you don't even know, nor explained your reasoning behind their inclusion, and proceeded to just expect everyone to believe you.

My lack of intellectual curiosity? How about you look at yourself first? Using big words doesn't make you any smarter, nor does it make you correct. Indeed, in this case, it looks like a desperate attempt at subterfuge.

 

[somsak]

It's my turn tonight. Cheers!

 

[Europa]

@Nihonjin1051

do you know gary kamiya ? i love that guy, i wish i could meet him in person to ask him a few questions. he lives in san fransisco.

 

[Aepsilons]

@Nihonjin1051

do you know gary kamiya ? i love that guy, i wish i could meet him in person to ask him a few questions. he lives in san fransisco.

Nope, I don't know him...

 

[Europa]

Nope, I don't know him...

isn't kamiya a japanese surname? he was born to an english mother though. he is an author.

i don't have any agenda here but i believe you should know about him to know more about yourself, aren't you a researcher?

 

[Aepsilons]

Seems to me that he's part of the Japanese - American community in the United States. Never heard of him till you mentioned him now. Why do you want to ask him questions?

 

[Europa]

Seems to me that he's part of the Japanese - American community in the United States. Never heard of him till you mentioned him now. Why do you want to ask him questions?

if you read his works, you would get it. can't tell everything here. but he is relevant here. i thought you know him btw when you have time, don't miss his works, it will be good for you if you are japanese

 

[Aepsilons]

if you read his works, you would get it. can't tell everything here. but he is relevant here. i thought you know him btw when you have time, don't miss his works, it will be good for you if you are japanese

I'll read more about him. Thanks for your recommendation, dear.