Japan imposes sanctions against Russia under US pressure — Tokyo Governor

[xunzi]

LOL. So much hostility in this post, @xunzi . What I said in my last post is genuine truth. The problem with you is that you're viewing things through historical lens. You're judging us through policies enacted over a century ago, and during the time when Japan was an Imperial Power. There is a huge dichotomy between Japanese foreign policy a century ago to the present. We are not an Imperial power.

To reiterate, it benefits Japan to maintain the Japanese - American Mutual Defense Treaty and Alliance system. So long as it serves our interests, we will maintain it. Fortunately for us (and the Americans), we don't see a change in the status quo to occur in the medium to long term future.

PS. Why do you think that Japan will become 'Imperial' ? Do you seriously think we are a warlike machine that wants to invade people , nations ?

Look my Nihon friend. Policy can change in a blink of an eyes. The politician in power can manipulate the population to gain ultimate power such as Hitler in the Third Reich and then your path back to imperialism will start again. One reason for that is your country lack raw material and resources, so your chance of starting another war in the foreseeable future is very possible. Right now, of course you say you won't start a war because if you did, your country is finished as we talk right here. But who know in 100 or 200 hundred years from now when resources become scarce, and your country becomes more nationalist and want to seek that glorious past which lead your country back to imperialism. You have done this so many times in history.

 

[kolinsky]

That just shows how little France is worried about military conflict with its neighbors.

At that time I read a artical in German new paper the title I think is : Welchen Krieg haben die Französen in den letzte 60 Jahren vorbereitet.(What kind of war have the french prepared in the last 60 years). That is really funny, your french seem like have no fear at all in the cold war. The thing is the same, which kind of war have the Japanese prepared in the last 60 years? As Nihonjin said, why Japanese militarilize today? 60 years late! So people can not understand what Abe is thinking. Why, Warum, pourquoi, doshite?

 

[Aepsilons]

So much hostility in this post, @xunzi . What I said in my last post is genuine truth. The problem with you is that you're viewing things through

Ah, i see now. In fact, I've noticed that your position is similar to many Chinese posters here in PDF who have expressed (in more than one occasion) of a subliminal fear that Japan will revert to some kind of Imperialist agenda. I think the problem here is that the propaganda they herald in China , in Chinese media and films of showing Japanese as some kind of uber-martial, heartless, brutal people. Its as if many Chinese nationalists are indoctrinated into thinking that all Japanese are secretly planning for another invasion / war. I mean, your posts in this thread have identified this. And it is absurd.

You said, "One reason for that is your country lack raw material and resources, so your chance of starting another war in the foreseeable future is very possible....But who know in 100 or 200 hundred years from now when resources become scarce, and your country becomes more nationalist and want to seek that glorious past which lead your country back to imperialism."

My response: Why would Japan need to invade another nation , foreign territories for natural resources ? There is a reason we have merchant fleets, tankers -- which are responsible for bringing in goods, resources from abroad to the Japanese home ports. These said resources would be purchased, of course. Its unpractical to go to war for resources nowadays, that's so 20th century.

seek that glorious past which lead your country back to imperialism. You have done this so many times in history.

That was the past. The Imjin Wars, Sino Japanese Wars was the past. I mean, Imjin War was almos thalf a millenia ago. And the Sino Japanese Wars was a century ago.

Are you now going to blame the British or have a predisposed fear of them because they waged the Opium Wars on China? Hey it was the past ! What about the Prussians (Germans), French, Americans, Russians? Hey they had historical qualms with China, right?

Nations evolve , my friend. Get that into your brain.

 

[xunzi]

Ah, i see now. In fact, I've noticed that your position is similar to many Chinese posters here in PDF who have expressed (in more than one occasion) of a subliminal fear that Japan will revert to some kind of Imperialist agenda. I think the problem here is that the propaganda they herald in China , in Chinese media and films of showing Japanese as some kind of uber-martial, heartless, brutal people. Its as if many Chinese nationalists are indoctrinated into thinking that all Japanese are secretly planning for another invasion / war. I mean, your posts in this thread have identified this. And it is absurd.

You said, "One reason for that is your country lack raw material and resources, so your chance of starting another war in the foreseeable future is very possible....But who know in 100 or 200 hundred years from now when resources become scarce, and your country becomes more nationalist and want to seek that glorious past which lead your country back to imperialism."

My response: Why would Japan need to invade another nation , foreign territories for natural resources ? There is a reason we have merchant fleets, tankers -- which are responsible for bringing in goods, resources from abroad to the Japanese home ports. These said resources would be purchased, of course. Its unpractical to go to war for resources nowadays, that's so 20th century.

Your response is weak, my friend. Why didn't you buy resources back in the 20th century? When resources become scarce, there will be intense competition. When a country is desperate, they will do anything to survive. I predict another great world war will occur, not in our lifetime, but definitely in the future. I am just hoping my descendant will be prepare and arm themselves to the teeth so they don't have to fear your imperialist instinct which is just natural, thanks to your country position.

 

[Aepsilons]

Your response is weak, my friend. Why didn't you buy resources back in the 20th century? When resources become scarce, there will be intense competition. When a country is desperate, they will do anything to survive. I predict another great world war will occur, not in our lifetime, but definitely in the future. I am just hoping my descendant will be prepare and arm themselves to the teeth so they don't have to fear your imperialist instinct which is just natural, thanks to your country position.

I'm hoping there will be no great war at all. I want my descendents to live long, to live many many a generation. And I want them to take care of the ancestral tomb, to visit me (when i die) and all their ancestors there -- and maintain this honored tradition for as long as there is a Japan and Japanese Race.

No one wants war. And I hope that both Japan and China can find measures to prevent such an unwanted occurrence. Period.

At that time I read a artical in German new paper the title I think is : Welchen Krieg haben die Französen in den letzte 60 Jahren vorbereitet.(What kind of war have the french prepared in the last 60 years). That is really funny, your french seem like have no fear at all in the cold war. The thing is the same, which kind of war have the Japanese prepared in the last 60 years? As Nihonjin said, why Japanese militarilize today? 60 years late! So people can not understand what Abe is thinking. Why, Warum, pourquoi, doshite?

1. The French have an impressive armed force, it is enough to address exigencies in the Mediterranean as well as any threats in Europe. France, a NATO member, wouldn't go to war alone , it would be supported by other NATO members in the event of some kind of european conflict. They would be supported by Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey et al.

2. Japan has prepared for exigencies these past 70 years through many drills and exercises with the United States and other friendly nations. We've prepared for a defensive role, of course.

 

[somsak]

I admire your honesty. U just acknowledge that Japan is US slave.

that's funny
-slaves of the US
-you look down on Japs
-china and russia becoming closer to counter Japan
-happy to see Japan weak and dying
-china becoming the dominate east Asian country

so Japs should switch sides and become slaves of China then it sounds like

at least our slaves are better than your NK slaves Beidou

the hubris on these Chinese posters on here, lol

 

[Aepsilons]

Come on, the facts show that, the french are not good prepared, I mean the facts! The test fails.

Japan is and was not good prepared. You will out of ammunition in a medium conflicts. And the Air-Surface attaking of JSDF is limited. So, in 10 year even not think about the old glory days, you have a lot of things to talk with USA. The militarizion of Japan is delusion. Your budgets this year is 5 billion dollars less than last year, a regiment of F35 is vanished. When the whole world is pitty about the 311 earthqueke and worry about the ecomony of Japan, you are re-militarizing, what a anwser to the charity of the rest world!


Fascism is something different. You know the basis of fascism? Go back to the old glory days is the key. The three existed fascism formation former Germany, Italy and Japan had the same target. What is the glory days of Germany? Holy Roman Empire. What is the glory days of Italy? Roman. What is the glory days of Japan? Indeed you donot have any, but you found one Russo-Japanese War(1904-1905) the yellow race defeats the white. So you still say the glory days of Imperial Japanese Navy, neither army nor airforce, because that is and was the glory days you Japanese people want to go back in the history and today.

Why I said your target is USA? If you really want to go back to the glory days of IJN, you have to defeats the whites to keep the form, just excatly like you guys did in 1942. When you find you are ill treated in the international relationships, you will intend to find the old glory days just like the three existed fascism nations did. You gays have found out the old navy flags and name, slogans and a leader, the bastard of a war criminal. As I said your Navy is not prepared for the near sea of China, so where!? You just look at the statistics, your navy is an ocean-goingnavalforce, who is the protential enemy. Against China and Russia, you gays donot need those toys, because the distances are too short for airforces. Your real enemy is a ocean-goingnavalforce and white people, that is USA. This is the profiling of Japan.

Just care about the semantics of words you guys are choosing. People analyze your words and behavior. WW2 was far away, but no yestoday once more. Just read more history books in second or third language, not only yours.

So your true colors reveal themselves, i see. A typical troll -- go somewhere else.

 

[mike2000]

Japanese Government looks after its own good, enacts policies that helps Japan the most, as well as honoring our alliance system. If you know anything about Japanese corporate culture (that is if you ever have the privilege of working in a Japanese owned company), there is emphasis in the word of the strategic management team. Once a promise or oath is made, it is honored. We Japanese honor our alliance system -- and because we are dependable people, some one you can count on through thick or thin -- we stick around for our American friends. Besides, it also beneficial to have US military presence in the region. It keeps China, NK, Russia in check. Its less defense expenditure on our part.



This is one thing I truly admire about the West. Its a collective front. A las, Asia is a much more interesting chess game.

I agree completely with your point Nihonji san.
U.S being Japans patron/having a military base in Japan benefits Japan for now and for the coming years/decades. It enable Japan to have access to the best/cutting edge military hardware/system in the world, and help minimize Japan's military spending. At the same time it helps keep an eye on China and Russia.

As i said before, Until China surpasses the U.S in all fields/power then i dont see any reason for Japan to want to review its policy/presence of U.S military bases in its country. What can China offer Japan that Japan doesn't have from the U.S? Same with Russia, what can Russia offer Japan that Japan doesnt get from the U.S? nothing apart from oil and gas which Japan pays for and can get from many other countries.

So China and Russia can keep whinning all they want, Japan will remain firmly in the western/U.S camp(its an Asian country only by geography), since it benefits alot from the current status quo. until China overtakes the U.S by a long shot(which wont happen for a longggg time, maybe 50 years or more) and gives enough reason for Japan to review its policy, things will remain the way they are. As for russia, its a declining power, Japan alone will be able to takee care of it in the coming decades, without even U.S help.

So yes Japan is a U.S surbodinate, but it sure benefits alot from being one, more than it can ever be if it was under China/Russia(who are still technologically less advance than Japan). So expect it to continue.

 

[Aepsilons]

U.S being Japans patron/having a military base in Japan benefits Japan for now and for the coming years/decades. It enable Japan to have access to the best/cutting edge military hardware/system in the world, and help minimize Japan's military spending. At the same time it helps keep an eye on China and Russia.

As i said before, Until China surpasses the U.S in all fields/power then i dont see any reason for Japan to want to review its policy/presence of U.S military bases in its country. What can China offer Japan that Japan doesn't have from the U.S? Same with Russia, what can Russia offer Japan that Japan doesnt get from the U.S? nothing apart from oil and gas which Japan pays for and can get from many other countries.

Michael-San, permit me to make a rhetorical question, "Why would Japan favor a Communist Nation (China) over another Liberal Democracy (USA) ?"

Japan is very similar to the United States in many ways. Both emphasize corporate culture, both have issues and plan to tackle the welfare spending, both are super-industrialized , modern nation states with very high gdp per capita, both have governments that understand the Rule of Law, both have a publicly elected government -- who are of the people, chosen from the people , to be the voice of the people. Japan and the United States value freedom of speech, and the democratic principles that are appreciated by Japanese and American civilians to this day -- and for all days in the future. Japanese value the same Ethical Principles as the United States, and I emphasize -- the Rule of Law and Fair Judicial Practices.

Best,

So yes Japan is a U.S surbodinate, but it sure benefits alot from being one, more than it can ever be if it was under China/Russia(who are still technologically less advance than Japan). So expect it to continue.

The United States is the Global Hyper Power, there is no nation of force in this earth that have reached parity with the United States and Her Armed Forces. We are referring to the same power that broke Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, defeated the Soviet Union. The same nation that prevented the spread of communism throughout Asia and Europe. What country can even equal the might and influence of the United States ?

Not even the combined strength of the European Union and Japan -- can equal the might of the United States.

 

[mike2000]

Michael-San, permit me to make a rhetorical question, "Why would Japan favor a Communist Nation (China) over another Liberal Democracy (USA) ?"

Japan is very similar to the United States in many ways. Both emphasize corporate culture, both have issues and plan to tackle the welfare spending, both are super-industrialized , modern nation states with very high gdp per capita, both have governments that understand the Rule of Law, both have a publicly elected government -- who are of the people, chosen from the people , to be the voice of the people. Japan and the United States value freedom of speech, and the democratic principles that are appreciated by Japanese and American civilians to this day -- and for all days in the future. Japanese value the same Ethical Principles as the United States, and I emphasize -- the Rule of Law and Fair Judicial Practices.

Best,



The United States is the Global Hyper Power, there is no nation of force in this earth that have reached parity with the United States and Her Armed Forces. We are referring to the same power that broke Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, defeated the Soviet Union. The same nation that prevented the spread of communism throughout Asia and Europe. What country can even equal the might and influence of the United States ?

Not even the combined strength of the European Union and Japan -- can equal the might of the United States.

Well I agree with all your points, Howver i like being honest, so i will say i disagree with one of your points: "Why would Japan favor a Communist Nation (China) over another Liberal Democracy (USA) ?" China isnt a communist country anymore, not by a long shot.lol truth be told its even more capitalistic than some western countries.lool Its communist only in name.

Even if it was a communist country, it has nothing to do with japan favouring it over a 'democratic' U.S . In geo politics, theres no such thing as allying with a nation because of democracy or authocracy or dictatorship etc. It all has to do with interests and historical issues/situations as well(Japan came under the U.S due to it lossing the second world, not because Japan wanted to.lol).

This can also be seen in Indias case, India has been a democracy since it gained its independence from us over 60 years ago, but still it allied with the worlds most dictatorial/communistic country the U.S.S.R . So we had a situation where the worlds 'largest democracy' was allied with the worlds most powerful communist nation. While the worlds largest communist country(China) later split with the worlds most powerful communist country U.S.S.R and allied/partnered with the worlds most powerful democracy the U.S during the cold war in the late 60s. Same with 'democractic' U.S(and its junior partner Japan) now trying to charm communist Vietnam into its laps against communist China.lol

So my point is, alliances has nothing to do with democracy or communism/autocracies etc. As far a country interests go, thats all that counts. There a no permanent friends per say in geo politcs, only interests. Tommorrow Japan might switch sides if its interests doesn't match with that of the U,S anymore (fortunately for now and foreseeable future it wont). Thats how things go, no surprise/crime in that.

 

[Aepsilons]

Well I agree with all your points, Howver i like being honest, so i will say i disagree with one of your points: "Why would Japan favor a Communist Nation (China) over another Liberal Democracy (USA) ?" China isnt a communist country anymore, not by a long shot.lol truth be told its even more capitalistic than some western countries.lool Its communist only in name.

Even if it was a communist country, it has nothing to do with japan favouring it over a 'democratic' U.S . In geo politics, theres no such thing as allying with a nation because of democracy or authocracy or dictatorship etc. It all has to do with interests and historical issues/situations as well(Japan came under the U.S due to it lossing the second world, not because Japan wanted to.lol).

This can also be seen in Indias case, India has been a democracy since it gained its independence from us over 60 years ago, but still it allied with the worlds most dictatorial/communistic country the U.S.S.R . So we had a situation where the worlds 'largest democracy' was allied with the worlds most powerful communist nation. While the worlds largest communist country(China) later split with the worlds most powerful communist country U.S.S.R and allied/partnered with the worlds most powerful democracy the U.S during the cold war in the late 60s. Same with 'democractic' U.S(and its junior partner Japan) now trying to charm communist Vietnam into its laps against China.lol

So my point is, alliances has nothing to do with demcracy or communism/autocracies etc. As far a country interests go, thats all that counts. There a no friends per say in geo politcs, only interests. Tommorrow Japan might switch sides if its interests doesnt match with that of the U,S anymore. Thats how things go, no surprise/crime in that.

I'm in the position that values the alliance system we have with the United States. It is impractical to become an ally with a nation whom you have territorial rivalry with. An alliance (military and political) with Japan and China is improbable and unlikely.

 

[mike2000]

I'm in the position that values the alliance system we have with the United States. It is impractical to become an ally with a nation whom you have territorial rivalry with. An alliance (military and political) with Japan and China is improbable and unlikely.

Yes i agree as well. Its impractical to be allies with a nation you have territorial disputes with. Same with China and India, its only the border dispute that keeps them apart as well. So its definitely unfeasible to have an alliance with a nation with whom you have territorial disputes as you said.

I was just correcting your point that Japan is allied with the U.S not China because of democracy. That couldnt be more further from the truth. Same with 'democratic' U.S being allied with the worlds most dictatorial country(well second to north Korea) Saudi Arabia till date. The asnwer to this is INTERESTS not values.

 

[conworldus]

LOL how are you similar to the USA when you have a murderous emperor?

Japan might be peaceful now (because it s forced to be). A Japan untied will behave more like ISIS than a legit state.

Michael-San, permit me to make a rhetorical question, "Why would Japan favor a Communist Nation (China) over another Liberal Democracy (USA) ?"

Japan is very similar to the United States in many ways. Both emphasize corporate culture, both have issues and plan to tackle the welfare spending, both are super-industrialized , modern nation states with very high gdp per capita, both have governments that understand the Rule of Law, both have a publicly elected government -- who are of the people, chosen from the people , to be the voice of the people. Japan and the United States value freedom of speech, and the democratic principles that are appreciated by Japanese and American civilians to this day -- and for all days in the future. Japanese value the same Ethical Principles as the United States, and I emphasize -- the Rule of Law and Fair Judicial Practices.

Best,



The United States is the Global Hyper Power, there is no nation of force in this earth that have reached parity with the United States and Her Armed Forces. We are referring to the same power that broke Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, defeated the Soviet Union. The same nation that prevented the spread of communism throughout Asia and Europe. What country can even equal the might and influence of the United States ?

Not even the combined strength of the European Union and Japan -- can equal the might of the United States.

 

[Luftwaffe]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. For Japan, China is a rotting corpse, and the smell is already spreading into all directions. To contain Chinese aggression, Japan has to ally with US and Russia at the same time. It is a complex relationship but Japan knows what they are doing. They will be independent power alongside Turkey.

It is beyond logic why some insane people have fetish for being anti-China and hardcore rigid love for murderers who massacred civilians population in China during WII and in through out of the History and your own ally US bombed them Japan to hell for the horrendous crimes/acts committed. Again it an illogical assumption that becoming Militarily strong means Aggression upon other, Nobody believes Germany despite high Military budget is an aggressive tri arm. By the way japan knows nothing it still is in US shackles can't even ask them to vacate bases despite major protests by local Japanese population.

Aggressive posture is virtuoso, it means no powerful Nation would submit to illegal demands, Russia is undisputed most reliable Ally of Great China.

 

[Europa]

It is beyond logic why some insane people have fetish for being anti-China and hardcore rigid love for murderers who massacred civilians population in China during WII and in through out of the History and your own ally US bombed them Japan to hell for the horrendous crimes/acts committed. Again it an illogical assumption that becoming Militarily strong means Aggression upon other, Nobody believes Germany despite high Military budget is an aggressive tri arm. By the way japan knows nothing it still is in US shackles can't even ask them to vacate bases despite major protests by local Japanese population.

Aggressive posture is virtuoso, it means no powerful Nation would submit to illegal demands, Russia is undisputed most reliable Ally of Great China.

i think, to improve relations with china, japanese should stop supporting anti china forces like tibetan and east turkestan terrorist organizations. no matter whether there will be any east turkestan or tibet in anyone's wild dream, but japan's support to these separatist terrorist forces will only end up making japan disappear. japan should care about its own existence first. japan shouldn't play with fire, there will be no second chance

read my post #51

http://www.coolgeography.co.uk/A-level/AQA/Year 13/Plate Tectonics/Earthquakes/MEDC Case study.htm