Japan GDP contracted 7.1%

[kolinsky]

I have to agree with others in this thread - there's no point for Chinese leaders to meet with their Japanese counterparts. To do so would only legitimize Abe's glorification of Japan's degenerate history of invasion, theft, rape, cannibalism, and murder. The best thing to do is to leave Japan alone to slowly wither away both economically and demographically.

The problem is not about meeting or not meeting.

The problem is what should they talk about.

Xi legitimize Abe nothing, we have nothing for Japan. All things that Japan wants are in the hand of USA. Not Xi and Abe want to talk, the person Abe want to talk with is Obama.

Who is the current leader of east asia, we are ourselves not.
Who is occupying Japan, we are not.
Who limits the military industry of Japan, we do not.
Who does not allow Japan to have more troops, we are not.
Who limits Japanese troops in Japan, we do not.
Who does not allow Japan to have offensive weapon, we do not.

We are just talking about this topics. The only counteraction we have is UN and economy. The guy who behind this is USA.
If USA gives Japan 1000 F15E, we can also blablablabla, we have no counteractions.
If USA wants to free Japan for WW2 70 years ago, we can ever blablablabla.
Even the weapon marketing is limited by USA, there are no competition between Japan and China.
The key problem is, whether USA is glad to share his weapon market with Japan.

That is the reason, the real target of Japan is USA. Conflicting with China is a zigzag way of Abe. Who legitimizes Abe? Obama. Who is releasing power to Japan? USA, not China. That is a classical east Asia trick.

Asking a country to conflict with another is not for free. The leader is alway in the position to share the profits from conflicting with other countries, even there is no profits. Sometimes the Leader gets less than its companies. In the history of China, there are also countries which were destroyed by spending too much on hiring his companies. The debts of USA shows the problem, USA did not get enough profit from the 13 years conflicting from 2001 to 2014. I do not think it can be a long term policy of USA. Obama is helpless. The next president of USA should rethink the diplomacy policies. This time Abe gains the re interpreting of the constitution, in the future USA will has less and less counteraction to Japan. The day will come that USA has to trade with other countries with real gold. Indeed the one who pay for the conflicting between China and Japan is USA. I am very sure these islands will invoke more conflicting in the future, and every time Japan get rid off from USA a little.

The right counteraction of USA is stopping the conflicts now and future by asking Japan to give up all conflicting island with his neighbors just like Potsdam Declaration, otherwise the USA has to pay for it, just like the Germany and Austria in ww1. It was Austria who started the war. And Germany just protected his alliance Austria. When we arguing who is more like Germany in ww1, China or Japan. Indeed that is USA, Japan is in the role of Austria. Notices that conflicting with China, Japan spends even 5 billion US dollar less than 2013. The real question is, who pays and who gains?

 

[Aepsilons]

Kolinsky-san, i fear your posts are becoming too gloom and doom for my taste.

Take the mask of hate and pessimism off, and see the beauty of the world.

 

[kolinsky]

Kolinsky-san, i fear your posts are becoming too gloom and doom for my taste.

Take the mask of hate and pessimism off, and see the beauty of the world.

If you want to see some sunshine, why are you here?
Politic is tricky. Abe Sensei is not a white little rabbit, he is foxy. Come on the Japanese is not naive for every thing.

 

[Aepsilons]

If you want to see some sunshine, why are here?
Politic is tricky. Abe Sensei is not a white little rabbit, he is foxy. Come on the Japanese is not naive for every thing.

Abe may have a nationalist fervor , but this shouldn't be used as pretext to outright block developments with Japan. I mean, if you think about it, dear, Japan is one of the oldest investors of China. We were the first to encourage diplomatic rapprochement with China. Chinese Vice Premier Deng Xiaoping paid an official good-will visit to Japan, at the invitation of the Japanese Government, becoming the first Chinese state leader to visit Japan. Deng met with the Showa Emperor and then Prime Minster Takeo Fukuda, as well as other Japanese people from all walks of life who had long been devoted to the development of friendly ties between the two nations. So the bilateral relations and trade go way back. And I hope for it to continue forward.

Deng Xiaoping with Takeo Fukuda toast to Greater Japan - China ties

 

[kolinsky]

Abe may have a nationalist fervor , but this shouldn't be used as pretext to outright block developments with Japan. I mean, if you think about it, dear, Japan is one of the oldest investors of China. We were the first to encourage diplomatic rapprochement with China. Chinese Vice Premier Deng Xiaoping paid an official good-will visit to Japan, at the invitation of the Japanese Government, becoming the first Chinese state leader to visit Japan. Deng met with the Showa Emperor and then Prime Minster Takeo Fukuda, as well as other Japanese people from all walks of life who had long been devoted to the development of friendly ties between the two nations. So the bilateral relations and trade go way back. And I hope for it to continue forward.

Deng Xiaoping with Takeo Fukuda toast to Greater Japan - China ties

First, the oldest investor is Germany.

Deng has agreement with Japan, that is right, the agreement is the basis of peace treaty with Japan. However, this agreement is broken by Abe Sensei.

Without the agreement, I am the one pro de-japanize in domestic industry, and end the peace treaty with Japan.

 

[Aepsilons]

First, the oldest investor is Germany.

Deng has agreement with Japan, that is right, the agreement is the basis of peace treaty with Japan. However, this agreement is broken by Abe Sensei.

Without the agreement, I am the one pro de-japanize in domestic industry, and end the peace treaty with Japan.

So in other words you're one of the extremists. Ah, thanks. Its been nice chit chatting with you.

 

[Shishike]

What do I mean? Which world do you livin in? Can Chinese afford an Iphone or have the same living standards as Europeans or Japanese? Chinese are working for couple of dollars so investors like me in the west can make cash on the back of Chinese wage slavery. The Chinese population is absolutely profitting 0.

The machinery industry in Europe where I have stocks in don't even buy Chinese machines anymore. The quality is bad, it breaks down quickly and you have constant problems. We cut off Chinese completely in this industry. I'm hoping to see this boycot in all industries because with Chinese made products. You only have problems.

no offense, we make iphone, and we buy. still welcome to China, leave brain wash papers away, you will close to the real world.

 

[Shishike]

Deng has agreement with Japan, that is right, the agreement is the basis of peace treaty with Japan. However, this agreement is broken by Abe Sensei.

If you think about the argument happened between China and Japan in the other eagle, is that possible US has set some traps to slow the no.2 and no.3 economies? just saying, I totally agree with you, we should move over the gap which hurts us bad.
Before the island problem came into our view, China and Japan were in a honey moon moment. Economic data are growing in both countries.

 

[kolinsky]

So in other words you're one of the extremists. Ah, thanks. Its been nice chit chatting with you.

End the peace treaty is not claim war. Japan have no peace treaty with Russia in last 70 years.

Japan betrayed the agreement we have made, and the we are extremist, that is a funny logic.

Because the credit of Japan government is zero, so there is no hints that Japanese will keep more treaty.

That is Abe's fault.

You can still pretend to be a white litte rabbit, but Japan is re-militarizing. Without army of Japan east Asia is in peace for many years. with Japanes troop, last time Asia was a paradise of death. We do not trust Japan. That is your problem, even you japs never say sorry.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japan - China Trade , 2014

Outlook for 2014

1. The Chinese government has been setting out policies to eliminate excess production facilities and beef up environmental protection regulations while maintaining stable economic growth. Although the possibility for the government to implement large-scale economic stimulus measures is low, the previous year’s brisk growth in industrial production and consumption will likely be maintained. Exports of automobiles and auto component are expected to rise due to the recovery of Japanese auto sales in China which are expected to rise slightly as a backlash against the second straight year of decline.
2. With imports from China, the price competitiveness mainly in materials and intermediate products decreased due to a weak yen. However, the imports are expected to increase on the back of continued strong demand for smartphones, an expected growth of imports for auto components in line with development of local production and Japan’s economic recovery.
3. Considering the above, Japan-China trade value throughout 2014 is expected to increase slightly after the second straight year of decline.

China’s share of total Japanese export ranks second for first time in five years, following the US

China accounted for 20.0% of all Japanese trade, up 0.3 points from the 19.7% in the previous year. This is the first rise above the 20% level in two years. While China remains Japan’s largest trading partner in terms of import and total trade value, export value came second, falling from first place for the first time in five years since 2008. While Japan’s share of exports to China was unchanged from the previous year at 18.1%, those of exports to the US rose to 18.5%, up 0.9 points. On the other hand, Japan’s share of imports from China increased to 21.7%, up 0.4 points from the previous year.

Total trade to increase after the two-year decline
China’s real GDP growth rate in 2013 stayed flat from a year before at 7.7%, ceasing the slowing drop pace since 2011. The macroeconomic indicator was almost stable, which is expected to steadily grow 7.0-7.5% in 2014. The Chinese government submitted a policy to comprehensively deepen economic structural reform at the Third Plenary Session of the 18th CPC Central Committee, taking a stance toward emphasizing stable economic growth and structure reform. Therefore, despite a low possibility of implementation for large-scale stimulus measures, the Chinese economy seems to remain brisk at the previous year’s level in industrial production and consumption. Exports to China in 2014 are expected to see a modest rise as the Chinese economy is likely to steadily grow, additional exports of passenger cars and car components are expected to be generated thanks to signs of recovery in Japanese auto sales in China and the comparable statistics base is low due to a two-year decline. While price competitiveness of Japanese products dipped due to the weak yen mainly in materials and intermediate goods, Japanese imports from China in 2014 are likely to steadily increase thanks to an expected increase in imports of automobile components led by expanding local production in China and continuously rising demand for communication devices in Japan as well as Japan’s economic recovery. Considering the above, Japan-China trade throughout 2014 is likely to increase slightly after the drop for the second consecutive year.

Exports:

1. Exports of items for infrastructure investment such as construction and mining machines are expected to be continuously slow as investment demand led by the government seems to be limited. In addition, those of equipment machinery, parts and raw materials, which are used for production of finished goods in China, are expected to remain unchanged reflecting China’s sluggish industrial production as well as development of local production.
2. Exports of automobiles and their components, which were negatively affected by Japan-related demonstrations, are expected to increase due to a recovery in sales for Japanese auto makers. In addition, if Japanese automobile sales expand continually, exports of raw materials such as iron and steel and those of the surrounding area such as production facilities are also expected to increase.

Imports:

1. Imports of communication devices are likely to see continuous growth, although the expansion of smart phones is expected to slow compared to the last few years. Those of auto components, which are used for local production in China, are expected to increase.
2. Although an expansion in demand is expected in Japan on the back of the country’s economic recovery, there is a possibility that rising import prices may have a negative impact on imports, backed by the lower price competitiveness of Chinese products because of the weak yen, centering on manufactured goods such as iron and steel and materials and intermediate goods such as chemical

Reference:

JETRO survey: Analysis of Japan-China Trade in 2013 and outlook for 2014 - 2014 - Press Release - JETRO

 

[kolinsky]

If you think about the argument happened between China and Japan in the other eagle, is that possible US has set some traps to slow the no.2 and no.3 economies? just saying, I totally agree with you, we should move over the gap which hurts us bad.
Before the island problem came into our view, China and Japan were in a honey moon moment. Economic data are growing in both countries.

That is easy question, just think about who gains, who lose. Who gains the marketing of Japan, when it is kicked out? The whole western. When there are less Japanese cars in China, who builds more car factory in China? Volkswagen. Why Li keqiang is so popular this year? He has the market of Japan to sale.

Politically Japan is a winner.

In the economy level, Japan is really a loser. USA are call backing the manufacturing sector. They also need the market. In the hottest marketing, I am afraid to say Japan is marginalized, from cell phones, pads, to electronic cars in the future. USA, Korea, China is in the map of business. Japan has a similar market as USA, if USA lacks of money, yestoday once more.

The biggest four economies are EU, USA, China, Japan. Please always remember this ordering. The true rival of USA is EU. China plays between EU and USA, Japan is totally for USA, that is the difference. If USA wants to be the number one, it has to induct one between China and Japan. Who is the choice?

 

[Aepsilons]

Think about it this way, despite the political squabbles over the Senkakus / Diayoutai , the first half of this fiscal year , had grown quite modestly. Trade is expected to rise as per financial analysis. Now, if we can find a way to get past the political differences, we can focus on increases trade, and manufacturing production. I know that this year alone, Japan has opened another Nissan and Infiniti plant in Dalian. With other plans.

Some sobering news , which I like:

 

[IND151]

Nuclear exports to Indian are just a small fraction, they are not enough to get Japan out of recession. For a nation as advanced as Japan, you cannot rely on a single source of export to a single destination. You need multiple industries for constant support.

When there was recession in USA, they recovered quickly, because even though financial/housing industry took a big hit, they had multiple export oriented industries that kept the situation from getting worse. Industries like mining/oil and gas/High Technology/Aerospace etc.

Britain had to endure a long recession since they are heavily dependent on services sector, and as such any hit to that will impact the whole economy. Germany in comparison fared much betterr that despite taking on the burden of a depreciating Euro, they managed to do well, because Germany exports high value products, not just services.

A balanced economy is key to any developed economy.

A balanced economy is key to any developed economy

very well put.

 

[Aepsilons]

If you think about the argument happened between China and Japan in the other eagle, is that possible US has set some traps to slow the no.2 and no.3 economies? just saying, I totally agree with you, we should move over the gap which hurts us bad.
Before the island problem came into our view, China and Japan were in a honey moon moment. Economic data are growing in both countries.

That is right, and data trends show that the economic trade between Japan and China is recovering. I expect it to reach pre-crisis levels by next year. Our bilateral trade stands at $320 Billion. I want to see this go up to $500 Billion +.

 

[kolinsky]

Think about it this way, despite the political squabbles over the Senkakus / Diayoutai , the first half of this fiscal year , had grown quite modestly. Trade is expected to rise as per financial analysis. Now, if we can find a way to get past the political differences, we can focus on increases trade, and manufacturing production. I know that this year alone, Japan has opened another Nissan and Infiniti plant in Dalian. With other plans.

Some sobering news , which I like:

The second chart I donot know it is dollar or yen.
The first chart says the problem. Notice that it is yen. When the yen is devaluated, the products from Japan is cheaper, there are more exports are normal. Although the number reaches the Jan-11 peak, but the real value is not. Reform the first chart to US dollers, you find the problem, from our side, we pay less.

For the car production. Do you know how many car factories are VW building in China? And the future plan. If there are some standards for eletr. car is accepted by Chinese government with VW and Benz, Japan is totally out for a few years.