Japan Defence Forum

[empirefighter]

Welcome arm race.Crushing the US power in East Asian will make us more matured and experienced.
The experience will help us in the future.
Japan is a perfect target. It is too weak to change us alone, but still has some power.
Enjoy the course and very interesting to see the arm race. I guess this will end less than 10 years.

 

[faithfulguy]

This Japanese F-35 is a downgraded export version. It’s 50 times more easier to detect than the domestic version.

 

[52051]

F-35's range is too short to meet any threaten in East Asia, japanese better spend their money on producing more AVs.

 

[rcrmj]

F-35 is a 5th network centric weapon system, it is a deadly platform in that system...but the question is whether the U.S is willing to help Japan to build such system alone with the F-35?

you know the very nature of U.S air superiority over its opponent is built on such system, and it makes no logic it will help others, even its closest ally, to aquire such system.

 

[Suika]

Welcome arm race.Crushing the US power in East Asian will make us more matured and experienced.
The experience will help us in the future.
Japan is a perfect target. It is too weak to change us alone, but still has some power.
Enjoy the course and very interesting to see the arm race. I guess this will end less than 10 years.

This Japanese F-35 is a downgraded export version. It’s 50 times more easier to detect than the domestic version.

F-35's range is too short to meet any threaten in East Asia, japanese better spend their money on producing more AVs.

F-35 is a 5th network centric weapon system, it is a deadly platform in that system...but the question is whether the U.S is willing to help Japan to build such system alone with the F-35?

you know the very nature of U.S air superiority over its opponent is built on such system, and it makes no logic it will help others, even its closest ally, to aquire such system.

The typical posts like these that imply weak defense relation between the US and Japan. Obviously made out of ignorance or with knowledge but with agenda to twist reality (in other words, trolling). Support from others (regardless if based on truth or not) is something they seek to gain from other international viewers. Which ever of the two, there feels to be a common sentiment which is to present superiority of PLA armed forces and that victory is inevitable, thus promoting the rationale to continue a path of confrontation fueled being nationalism. Whenever they such ignorance is enlightened or if such trolling is made evident, then the typical response is dehumanize with history or other completed unrelated current affairs and doing so without acknowledging, thus intentionally ignoring, that their ignorance/trolling was exposed. Then after a few days, or by an additional poster in shorter period of time, the ignorance/trolling is resumed as if it was never uncovered.

So yeah, blah blah blah to such brain dead posts. Like it or not, the US-Japan alliances has been deepening. Forces on both sides regularly train together, in a fully coherent system of interoperability. As blunt as it may be, anyone that says otherwise is a troll or an idiot.

Images of the USAF and JASDF with a few of the USN and JMSDF as well.

 

[rcrmj]

The typical posts like these that imply weak defense relation between the US and Japan. Obviously made out of ignorance or with knowledge but with agenda to twist reality (in other words, trolling). Support from others (regardless if based on truth or not) is something they seek to gain from other international viewers. Which ever of the two, there feels to be a common sentiment which is to present superiority of PLA armed forces and that victory is inevitable, thus promoting the rationale to continue a path of confrontation fueled being nationalism. Whenever they such ignorance is enlightened or if such trolling is made evident, then the typical response is dehumanize with history or other completed unrelated current affairs and doing so without acknowledging, thus intentionally ignoring, that their ignorance/trolling was exposed. Then after a few days, or by an additional poster in shorter period of time, the ignorance/trolling is resumed as if it was never uncovered.

So yeah, blah blah blah to such brain dead posts. Like it or not, the US-Japan alliances has been deepening. Forces on both sides regularly train together, in a fully coherent system of interoperability. As blunt as it may be, anyone that says otherwise is a troll or an idiot.

Images of the USAF and JASDF with a few of the USN and JMSDF as well.

there are emotional attachment for both sides, but unlike deluded Indian, both of us can still come with reasonable sense````as an outsider, we Chinese dont see American's commitment to Japan's security as most of you people would've believed, the scar from WWII from Japan to America was still vivid to Americans, so I do not think they are as "dedicated" to Japanese "well beings" as propaganda would propagate to its targeted audiences````

 

[Suika]

there are emotional attachment for both sides, but unlike deluded Indian, both of us can still come with reasonable sense````as an outsider, we Chinese dont see American's commitment to Japan's security as most of you people would've believed, the scar from WWII from Japan to America was still vivid to Americans, so I do not think they are as "dedicated" to Japanese "well beings" as propaganda would propagate to its targeted audiences````

Just go straight to the source.
http://nssarchive.us/national-security-strategy-2017/

 

[faithfulguy]

Just go straight to the source.
http://nssarchive.us/national-security-strategy-2017/

So do you believe that US provide the domestic RCS versions of F-35.

 

[TheTheoryOfMilitaryLogistics]

So do you believe that US provide the domestic RCS versions of F-35.

Believe or not?
He has no choice,haha.

 

[Suika]

Advocates of delusion to the end.

 

[faithfulguy]

Advocates of delusion to the end.

Does Japan have the exported RCS version of F-35. Israel does but not likely Japan.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

So yeah, blah blah blah to such brain dead posts. Like it or not, the US-Japan alliances has been deepening. Forces on both sides regularly train together, in a fully coherent system of interoperability. As blunt as it may be, anyone that says otherwise is a troll or an idiot.

What else you expect US to do beside to have a deepening alliances to defend their client state, 200 years from now when Japanese historians look back at 21st century, they will reach the same conclusion as me, a nation that was hiding behind the shadow and umbrella of US for their national security and follow US's tail as loyal military servant, you Japanese should be very proud of yourself and as Chinese we're very happy for Japan too, it's better to be this way.

 

[52051]

What else you expect US to do beside to have a deepening alliances to defend their client state, 200 years from now when Japanese historians look back at 21st century

200 years from now on there wont be any japanese, let along japanese historians.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

200 years from now on there wont be any japanese, let along japanese historians.

lol

 

[Suika]

What else you expect US to do beside to have a deepening alliances to defend their client state, 200 years from now when Japanese historians look back at 21st century, they will reach the same conclusion as me, a nation that was hiding behind the shadow and umbrella of US for their national security and follow US's tail as loyal military servant, you Japanese should be very proud of yourself and as Chinese we're very happy for Japan too, it's better to be this way.

So the majority of posters from your supposed camp is claiming "the US is in retreat", "Japan will be left alone", and so on, and now you come and say that the US has no choice but to deepen the alliance with Japan. Glad that we agree on this Good luck in persuading the rest of your camp. The "America is evil tinge" will help you get their support.

On a fair point, when Imperial Japan was destroyed by the US and subsequently occupied, many things were reestablished such as new media rules and the constitution in "made in occupied Japan". But since then, American control has continuously been rolled back over time. The first major example was when the Korean War broke out in 1950. It was no longer possible for the US to maintain direct military control over the Japanese territory. Thus the Self Defense Force was created with the responsibility of Japan's own security. The US did that because they had to deploy to the Korean peninsula in haste. When ever there is a crisis, Japan gains more of its original control back. 1972 saw the return of Okinawa excluding US military facilities. Numerous other little Pacific islands have also returned to Japanese control such as Iwo Jima. The crisis obviously was the Vietnam War. China's raise is another crisis, be it a cold one rather than a hot one. But the dynamic is pretty much the same. The US cannot deal with China alone while at the same time maintaining its interest in East Europe and the Middle East. So more of US control over Japan is rolled back so that Japan can take a larger role in common shared security interest in the region. The constitution was reinterpreted in 2014, order to make new defense that include the framework called "collective Self-Defense" in 2015, and those laws were passed in 2016. In effect, now Japan is now domestically legally capable of militarily defending a country besides Japan itself. Obviously the US (Guam, Hawaii) fall in this sphere. Other likely countries are Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, and so on. This reduces the amount of US material needed to maintain regional security in the region. Obviously Japan gains from all these curtails. Basically put, all was made possible because of China's foreign policy on Taiwan, the 9 dash line, and territorial trespassing of the Senkaku islands. I reckon China might have figured Japan wouldn't have changed itself. If you look at Trump's commentary over the past year, his comments towards Japan have been ever better than what he collectively says towards the UK these days and especially better than what he says regarding China. Listen to other officials such as Tillerson or Mattis, personality is different, but the message is the same regarding the US-Japan alliance. On the Japanese said, the Abe government is overwhelming supportive of the US-Japan alliance, he couldn't emphasis it anymore. Its overwhelmingly obvious that the US-Japan alliance is at a point where the two function as a team to anyone that has been paying attention. There are times when both the US and Japan on different occasions express interest to improve relations with China. Being any louder about the US-Japan alliance probably would slash those chances to improve relations with China. But its is of course hard to do with China's 9 dash line, Senkaku island intrusions, and threat of force vs Taiwan. Well anyway, that went a little beyond the original point, so just to restate it, the US had absolute control over Japan in the early years after WW2, but over the decades, control has continuously been rolled back to Japan. The US military presence in Japan has been transitioning over these decades from an occupying force to an invited forward deployed force. Hard to train together if the US has to sail across the Pacific each and every time. Much like how US forces are now invited to Eastern European countries like Poland and Estonia today. Common security interests.

200 years from now on there wont be any japanese, let along japanese historians.

Another enlightening post

lol

Appeasing a stupid post because of tribalism.