Japan Defence Forum

[Globenim]

And back to the enlightening posts

Yeah better stick with them truely enlightening popular national myths and romantized delusions and make a big circle around all those inconvenient realities.

 

[Suika]

It is enlightening about their mindsets, ain't it ? Never mind that in their China, Chinese girls prefers white men over Chinese men, and that Chinese standards of beauty pretty much mirrors the Western standards.

It's one of the lowest forms of rebuttal and of the "rally around the flag" call effect.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

A vassal in denial and a wannabe American in mutual support in a silly argument.

Thanks for the laughter in the morning.

 

[Globenim]

People here are too thick skulled, and think too much on the terms of "me, me, me", and think too much on simple terms of black and white as only either "submissive and client" or "revolt".
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tldr.:
"We use the euphemism "cooperation" that was forced on Japan without choice Japan cant opt out of without punishment! Why cant you thickheaded Chynese not see its not submission! "

"Something unappealing replaced another unappealing thing! Why are you not celebrating the new unappealing thing. Lol Chynese are such hypocrites!"

"Submission to the U.S. is necessary for Japan to strive! You are just an egoist if you disagree! q.e.d"

"Submission gave Japan the privileges of a slave! Think about all the benefits! Japan has even been allowed to gear up as a punching bag for China. Japan is practically free!"

"U.S.A. is so white and flawless and China so black opressive didnt you listen to all the media propaganda? Submission to the U.S.A is only logical! Stop thinking only in black and white you simpletons!"

"Japan has so much in common with the U.S.A! Like the same old enemies! Like the same new enemies after submitting to the U.S.A! Submission to the U.S.A is only logical!"

"Sure I cant deny the fact the U.S. is not dealing with Japan on equal terms but thats only logical! The U.S. is just thinking about their own interests! You"mememe" Chynese are just doing the same! Lol Chynese are such hypocrites!"

"Japan managed to progress in some aspects! Submission to the U.S. cant be that bad."

"Really tough Japanese men sometimes visit Japanese shrines some people in the U.S. pretend to be bothered with. Also once uppon a time long long ago Japan sold some tech to its neighbours then got beaten back into line with the political and economic whip. Of course Japan does not dare to do this often because it will shatter the "cooperation". Cant you thick skulled Chynese see Japan is free to do whatever it wants?"

"Sure the U.S. has a lot of influence on its client state Japan, but its common so where is the issue?"

I takes some effort to collect so many facets of dumb rethoric insulting the intelligence of readers and selfdelusion to glorify the client status of Japan in one single post.

 

[Suika]

A vassal in denial and a wannabe American in mutual support in a silly argument.

Thanks for the laughter in the morning.

Good Morning

Would be interesting to note that when Clinton was Secretary of State, the US wasn't behind Japan's nationalization of the Senkaku islands:
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“Part of the reason we’re in the mess on the Senkakians is because it had been privately owned,” she said. “And then the governor of Tokyo wanted to buy them, which would have been a direct provocation to China because it was kind of like: You don’t do anything. We don’t do anything. Just leave them where they are and don’t pay much attention to them.”
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...st-pressures-hacked-emails-show/#.WnrCBa6Wbcs
Full interview here. It has a lot of interesting things in there. But that part is about 1/4th down from the top:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...n-wanted-kept-secret-part-one/article/2604656
And this: https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/...nkakus_2.pdf?3caZt82Z2m25L8DeKNyRjx_yoeePD4Cf

US was generally opposed to the idea of Japan nationalizing the Senkaku islands. The US wanted China and Japan to talk about it and not rock relations between the too. Japan went and did it anyway. Chinese boats should have stayed out prior the 2012 nationalization. Chinese boats started creeping in since 2008 or so. Japan noticed the salami slicing pattern of Chinese boat behavior and responded and nationalized them. After about 5-6 months of the nationalization, Japan got basic level backing from the US: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ents-on-disputed-islets-idUSBRE90K09N20130121

Not so vassal-like don't you think?

tldr.:
"We use the euphemism "cooperation" that was forced on Japan without choice Japan cant opt out of without punishment! Why cant you thickheaded Chynese not see its not submission! "

"Something unappealing replaced another unappealing thing! Why are you not celebrating the new unappealing thing. Lol Chynese are such hypocrites!"

"Submission to the U.S. is necessary for Japan to strive! You are just an egoist if you disagree! q.e.d"

"Submission gave Japan the privileges of a slave! Think about all the benefits! Japan has even been allowed to gear up as a punching bag for China. Japan is practically free!"

"U.S.A. is so white and flawless and China so black opressive didnt you listen to all the media propaganda? Submission to the U.S.A is only logical! Stop thinking only in black and white you simpletons!"

"Japan has so much in common with the U.S.A! Like the same old enemies! Like the same new enemies after submitting to the U.S.A! Submission to the U.S.A is only logical!"

"Sure I cant deny the fact the U.S. is not dealing with Japan on equal terms but thats only logical! The U.S. is just thinking about their own interests! You"mememe" Chynese are just doing the same! Lol Chynese are such hypocrites!"

"Japan managed to progress in some aspects! Submission to the U.S. cant be that bad."

"Really tough Japanese men sometimes visit Japanese shrines some people in the U.S. pretend to be bothered with. Also once uppon a time long long ago Japan sold some tech to its neighbours then got beaten back into line with the political and economic whip. Of course Japan does not dare to do this often because it will shatter the "cooperation". Cant you thick skulled Chynese see Japan is free to do whatever it wants?"

"Sure the U.S. has a lot of influence on its client state Japan, but its common so where is the issue?"

I takes some effort to collect so many facets of dumb rethoric insulting the intelligence of readers and selfdelusion to glorify the client status of Japan in one single post.

I think you need to read my posts again but with a little more sense in precision

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You're stretching "independent". Japan could became like North Korea and forcefully remove Americans. But that would be just a giant North Korea. You be the judge in comparing the quality of life. No thank you to stupid pill "independence". And you again, third time now, ignored common geopolitic interest. Congrats on elevating your trolling skills.

So you're telling me that Japanese rather live in submission as long as their standard living is not like NK, what a revelation indeed. For thousand year Japan was trying to distance China to avoid being taken as tributary state but this fully irony is that nowadays, there is no longer exist the tributary state but Japan chose to become US client state instead...And it's better this way, Asia will never know what to expect from and Independent Japan.

 

[Suika]

So you're telling me that Japanese rather live in submission as long as their standard living is not like NK, what a revelation indeed. For thousand year Japan was trying to distance China to avoid being taken as tributary state but this fully irony is that nowadays, there is no longer exist the tributary state but Japan chose to become US client state instead...And it's better this way, Asia will never know what to expect from and Independent Japan.

Trolling again.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Trolling again.

I only speak about the trust but if you consider that what I said it's just trolling then I better end here

 

[Suika]

I only speak about the trust but if you consider that what I said it's just trolling then I better end here

You have ignored major points many times. It's shockingly bad how far you are going for a battle of impression and forsaken conversation for understanding. It's almost as if it feels like desparation.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You have ignored major points many times. It's shockingly bad how far you are going for a battle of impression and forsaken conversation for understanding. It's almost as if it feels like desparation.

Desperation? LoL I have no intention to write a arguments, I just want to keep long conversation short and get to the point.

 

[Suika]

Desperation? LoL I have no intention to write a arguments, I just want to keep long conversation short and get to the point.

So when are you going to get to the point of US-Japan common geopolitical interest? You seem desparate to avoid recognizing China having to face both at the same time, probably because you don't want to say anything against China's policy towards the 9 dash line, Taiwan, North Korea, or the Senkaku islands. So your stuck running into this wall because of nationalism and tribalism. Well, hard to know for sure until you actually address it.

 

[Jlaw]

Japan is a radiated island. You go north you get radiation from fukishima. You go south-central you get radiation from remanants of fat man. Japan is doomed. The island is earthquake prone and some researchers said Japan will sink in the next 100 years

 

[Suika]

Japan is a radiated island. You go north you get radiation from fukishima. You go south-central you get radiation from remanants of fat man. Japan is doomed. The island is earthquake prone and some researchers said Japan will sink in the next 100 years

Stupid post like these (yeah, we all know its stupid, let's not kid ourselves) is like admitting that one has no good argument left to make but still sticks to their losing argument, because again, tribalism and nationalism. When it gets to this point, how is one supposed to be willing to express some fair points? Getting enough people to go rampage with stupidity results in the total reduction of quality of the whole place in question. An extreme example is Cambodia during Pol Pot. This tribalism and nationalism is making y'all go stupider and stupider.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

So when are you going to get to the point of US-Japan common geopolitical interest? You seem desparate to avoid recognizing China having to face both at the same time, probably because you don't want to say anything against China's policy towards the 9 dash line, Taiwan, North Korea, or the Senkaku islands. So your stuck running into this wall because of nationalism and tribalism. Well, hard to know for sure until you actually address it.

I didn't deny that US-Japan has the common interest to contain China, isn't that so obvious with their military exercise ? But is that a big deal for China? that was not the worst, in 1960s when we had nothing but face Soviet and US military conventional and nuclear threat, now our situation is much better, we're second in world economy and defense.

And China policy toward our territory is pretty obvious: we will take back these mentioned territory when time is right. If you understand a little bit of Chinese history is when we were weak, invaders steal and annexed our land but when the table turn we will claim their territory as heritage: Mongol invaded our land and annexed Tibet, when Mongol became weak we claimed both Mongolia and Tibet but their people as well, winner take all. If that Japan want to replay this game with us over Diaoyu Islands, we will eventually welcome Japanese as our 57th ethnic minority.

and I always fan of Japanese traditional song

 

[Suika]

I didn't deny that US-Japan has the common interest to contain China, isn't that so obvious with their military exercise ? But is that a big deal for China? that was not the worst, in 1960s when we had nothing but face Soviet and US military conventional and nuclear threat, now our situation is much better, we're second in world economy and defense.

And China policy toward our territory is pretty obvious: we will take back these mentioned territory when time is right. If you understand a little bit of Chinese history is when we were weak, invaders steal and annexed our land but when the table turn we will claim their territory as heritage: Mongol invaded our land and annexed Tibet, when Mongol became weak we claimed both Mongolia and Tibet but their people as well, winner take all. If that Japan want to replay this game with us over Diaoyu Islands, we will eventually welcome Japanese as our 57th ethnic minority.

A peaceful world is when everyone's "our land" is respected. You advocate China's "our land" being more important than others. So China is the trouble maker. It's the Post-Cold War world now. China became the world's second largest economy peacefully in this Post-Cold War world. Not the mongols.. Why are they coming up with these excuses based on the far past and disregarding the present is beyond me. Congrats on your confirmation in tribalism, imperialism, and recognize willingness to troll for it. You can believe that Japan is a "vassal" or a "client state" but even according to your presented definition of Japan, it is still that Japanese people have greater freedom in politics, speech, and religion than Chinese citizens have in their own country. Saying that shouldn't be confused as being anti-China. But the CCP government has put up so many walls of restrictions on speech, limits in political participation, and internet control, to such an extant that speaking against it is confused as being anti-Chinese rather than what is normally speaking fair criticisms against the government. So even according to your belief of Japan's "client state" or "vassal", siding with the US is still better. But of course, as shown by points I made here that have been ignored such as Japan initiative on the Senkaku island nationalization, it is not even as "vassal" as you think. Bluntly put, China has no hope in breaking down Japan's preference for the US.

and I always fan of Japanese traditional song

I will always enjoy eating xiao long bao