Japan competes w/ China in Bangladesh

[TopCat]

I see following advantage of BD for a good investment destination.

1- Logistically it is easy to cater to India, China ,Srilanka, Nepal and BD market itself
2- India and BD has good relationship so it can easily use Indias land routes to export its product to Middle east either with help of Indian ports in Western India or BD port.

What a weird proposition... LOL

 

[idune]

Not too long ago,I talk to one Chinese official,he talked about the sonadia port,in his opinion,for security problem,a port in Burma and a port in Bangladesh surely better than Sonadia,because the Chinese interests are link the ports to China,if can't,then why should China build the port in first place?Bangladesh for it's location,any land route link to China should through India and Burma,so why not the whole land route in Burma,even China will lose Burma,but the land route through Bangladesh to China should still cross Burma,so no differance.
But if we look at economical problem,then we can see the reason China's interests in sonadia,I do think China want to invest in northeast India,if the route link between China,Burma,India and Bangladesh can really work,then the northeast part of India can be developed from this project,then China's Yunnan province will benefit from this development,because Yunnan is far away to the coast of China,but near upper Burma and northeast India,if those places developed,then the products of Yunnan can sell in those places and the merchants of Yunnan can invest in those places

That is just epic indian story telling by hijacking word out of Chinese official mouth. Chinese action and interest says completely opposite to what indians are propagating. Fact is it was india which prevented Awami League subservient regime from signing agreement with China. And now india lie is using different twist.

Chinese proposals for Deep-Sea Port, Satellite
Different govt voices being heard
Says Ambassador Li Jun

Diplomatic Correspondent China yesterday said decisions about building a deep-sea port and launching of Bangladesh's first satellite "Bangabandhu Satellite" in space now lay with Dhaka, as Beijing had already expressed its interest in the projects.
“It's for Bangladesh's government to make their decision…also there are different voices coming from the government side, so I keep silence,” Chinese Ambassador Li Jun told a country lecture session in the capital.
Chinese proposals for Deep-Sea Port, Satellite | Different govt voices being heard | Says Ambassador Li Jun

 

[TopCat]

Wise and austere analysis @Kaniska . I agree with you 100%. When the Sonadia Deep Sea Port is built, Bangladesh will be the origin source to which much trade will link Northeastern India, Eastern India (particularly the land locked regions), Myanmar (particularly the land locked regions), China (particularly Kunming, Panzhihua, Zigong, Chengdu, Mianyang, Golmud, Xining).

This trade will encourage greater infrastructure projects in Bangladesh, particularly the reinvigoration of their nation's highways, as well as encourage greater railway systems to link Chittagong, Sonadia, to as Dhaka, to Mandalay, to Thimbu, to India's Kolkata, Shantiniketan, to Jalpaiguri, to Kalimpong, to Darjeeling.

Bangladesh will become a hub of major trade , linking major cities and provinces from many, many nations.

We need Sonadia port for ourselves where we can offer 100 billion dollar worth of trade right away. North East and Indian business will be minimal as the economy of NE is very small. I am not sure about Chinese business either as Burmese are not willing for the connectivity through their territory. They just cancelled the Chinse rail project.

 

[idune]

We need Sonadia port for ourselves where we can offer 100 billion dollar worth of trade right away. North East and Indian business will be minimal as the economy of NE is very small. I am not sure about Chinese business either as Burmese are not willing for the connectivity through their territory. They just cancelled the Chinse rail project.

additionally, for security issue in indian NE and strategic interest, link up with indian north east is not feasible. Indians always try to create narrative that any foreign investment and project in Bangladesh somehow india dependent. Fact is india does not even allow Bangladesh connectivity with Nepal, Bhutan and Pakistan. Considering indian trade and connectivity barriers, security situation in NE and continuous indian assault on Bangladesh sovereignty, it is preposterous for anyone to consider indian narrative.

 

[Contrarian]

Good for Bangladesh.

Jamaatis must be burning on hearing the news.

 

[trident2010]

Good news !!

 

[sahaliyan]

That is just epic indian story telling by hijacking word out of Chinese official mouth. Chinese action and interest says completely opposite to what indians are propagating. Fact is it was india which prevented Awami League subservient regime from signing agreement with China. And now india lie is using different twist.

Chinese proposals for Deep-Sea Port, Satellite
Different govt voices being heard
Says Ambassador Li Jun

Diplomatic Correspondent China yesterday said decisions about building a deep-sea port and launching of Bangladesh's first satellite "Bangabandhu Satellite" in space now lay with Dhaka, as Beijing had already expressed its interest in the projects.
“It's for Bangladesh's government to make their decision…also there are different voices coming from the government side, so I keep silence,” Chinese Ambassador Li Jun told a country lecture session in the capital.
Chinese proposals for Deep-Sea Port, Satellite | Different govt voices being heard | Says Ambassador Li Jun

The main problem here is what benefit we can get from this port?If this port can't link to China,then Chinese will have no interest in this port,we have Gwadar,and will build Gwadar-Kashgar railroad,then we can do the same in Burma（we already have a oil and gas pipeline in Burma)，for our energy security.both are better than Sonadia.
If one want invest in something,the first thing he will do is think what benefit he can get.The ports are used for trade,if any port doesn't have good roads link to others,then the ports can't be operated,you can see Singapore,one of the reasons they are so developed is they located in Melacca
A route link to northeast India then to Burma then to China,the main problem of this is the lack of trust between China and India,I don't think Indians view Chinese presence in NE India as a positive thing,so they may not allow this route link to be built

 

[Kaniska]

The main problem here is what benefit we can get from this port?If this port can't link to China,then Chinese will have no interest in this port,we have Gwadar,and will build Gwadar-Kashgar railroad,then we can do the same in Burma（we already have a oil and gas pipeline in Burma)，for our energy security.both are better than Sonadia.
If one want invest in something,the first thing he will do is think what benefit he can get.The ports are used for trade,if any port doesn't have good roads link to others,then the ports can't be operated,you can see Singapore,one of the reasons they are so developed is they located in Melacca
A route link to northeast India then to Burma then to China,the main problem of this is the lack of trust between China and India,I don't think Indians view Chinese presence in NE India as a positive thing,so they may not allow this route link to be built

Spot on...and its very rational analysis...

Desperate and rubbish indian argument. Bangladesh has sea port to export and import to any part of the world and does not need indian land or port to do that.
Japan knows how indian trade barriers prevents Bangladeshi export and there is no reason for them to consider indian market of territory when considering Bangladesh investment. Besides, there is sizable market in Bangladesh already.

Who is denying that you do not have a sizable market and of course BD is a growing market for investment...You guys are just too much with your own narrative..Even my narrative is not to do bussiness with India rather it is economical for exporting anything from BD to middle east to go through Indian land route rather than crossing all together from Srilanka coast and reaching middle east....You can have your own ego and i personally have lot of respect for BD people....

And if i start talking in your language, come on dude. India surround you 3 sides of your border, You can hate India, BD can not go to any country in land routes by passing India....You will be delusional to feel that you can bypass India with any initiative and be heaven for investor...

 

[extra terrestrial]

The main problem here is what benefit we can get from this port?If this port can't link to China,then Chinese will have no interest in this port,we have Gwadar,and will build Gwadar-Kashgar railroad,then we can do the same in Burma（we already have a oil and gas pipeline in Burma)，for our energy security.both are better than Sonadia.
If one want invest in something,the first thing he will do is think what benefit he can get.The ports are used for trade,if any port doesn't have good roads link to others,then the ports can't be operated,you can see Singapore,one of the reasons they are so developed is they located in Melacca
A route link to northeast India then to Burma then to China,the main problem of this is the lack of trust between China and India,I don't think Indians view Chinese presence in NE India as a positive thing,so they may not allow this route link to be built

But the Chinese policy makers think otherwise. Take the multi-billion dollar Dawei project in the lower Burma for example. Burma is still struggling to find investors for the proposed Dawei project, consisting a deep sea port and an industrial zone, which was first proposed even earlier than Sonadia deep sea port. China was never interested to invest there; Japan, showing interest initially, later declined to invest. On the other hand, China seem to be quite interested in Sonadia deep sea port, China Harbour Engineering Company Ltd has already opened an office in Dhaka and is all set to start the construction once the green light is given.

 

[damiendehorn]

Spot on...and its very rational analysis...



Who is denying that you do not have a sizable market and of course BD is a growing market for investment...You guys are just too much with your own narrative..Even my narrative is not to do bussiness with India rather it is economical for exporting anything from BD to middle east to go through Indian land route rather than crossing all together from Srilanka coast and reaching middle east....You can have your own ego and i personally have lot of respect for BD people....

And if i start talking in your language, come on dude. India surround you 3 sides of your border, You can hate India, BD can not go to any country in land routes by passing India....You will be delusional to feel that you can bypass India with any initiative and be heaven for investor...

Sorry, but that idea of using indian ports is just stupid, if you have any idea about logistics you'd know. Business is about making money, increasing revenue and reducing costs. The reason we don't use indian ports has nothing to do with ego, it's to do with cost pure and simple.

Our main ports are khulna and Chittagong, neither of which are deep water ports. Exports from BD are shipped by container to either Singapore or Sri Lankan ports where they are transferred to larger vessels. By building our own deep water port at Sondia we no longer need to transship via Singapore or Sri Lanka, thereby saving fees and reducing our costs.

If we used ports on the west cost of india for exports to the Middle East as you say, the exporter would have to pay the huge bill of rail shipment across India, transit fees, and then dock loading charges etc. The lowest costs right now are to transship via Singapore, but in future when our own deep water port comes online it will reduce our cost drastically.

The main reason to build the deep water port is because in the next few decades our exports are going to go on overdrive (as our markets opens and low cost manufacturing moves from China and other ASEAN countries to the new EPZs).

This is why the government is concentrating on 3 primary areas, power production, roads to Chittagong/Sondia and the new ports.

 

[eastwatch]

But the Chinese policy makers think otherwise. Take the multi-billion dollar Dawei project in the lower Burma for example. Burma is still struggling to find investors for the proposed Dawei project, consisting a deep sea port and an industrial zone, which was first proposed even earlier than Sonadia deep sea port. China was never interested to invest there; Japan, showing interest initially, later declined to invest. On the other hand, China seem to be quite interested in Sonadia deep sea port, China Harbour Engineering Company Ltd has already opened an office in Dhaka and is all set to start the construction once the green light is given.

Sonadia port interests China, but not Burma. It is a dillema that BD and China must solve with Burma.

 

[Kaniska]

Sorry, but that idea of using indian ports is just stupid, if you have any idea about logistics you'd know. Business is about making money, increasing revenue and reducing costs. The reason we don't use indian ports has nothing to do with ego, it's to do with cost pure and simple.

Our main ports are khulna and Chittagong, neither of which are deep water ports. Exports from BD are shipped by container to either Singapore or Sri Lankan ports where they are transferred to larger vessels. By building our own deep water port at Sondia we no longer need to transship via Singapore or Sri Lanka, thereby saving fees and reducing our costs.

If we used ports on the west cost of india for exports to the Middle East as you say, the exporter would have to pay the huge bill of rail shipment across India, transit fees, and then dock loading charges etc. The lowest costs right now are to transship via Singapore, but in future when our own deep water port comes online it will reduce our cost drastically.

The main reason to build the deep water port is because in the next few decades our exports are going to go on overdrive (as our markets opens and low cost manufacturing moves from China and other ASEAN countries to the new EPZs).

This is why the government is concentrating on 3 primary areas, power production, roads to Chittagong/Sondia and the new ports.

I agree with you...That makes a more rational discussion than just bashing me like some other posters....Thanks for your information...Ultimately the aim should be economic benefit of every nation irrespective of barrier of religion and nation..If it is benifitial to you to ship through Srilanka then of course that should be the way bussiness then you are right..

 

[damiendehorn]

There is often a false idea spread around that Sondia will attract traffic from Nepal, Bhutan, NE india and even China, all of these are are either lies or irrelevant.

First trade traffic from Nepal, Bhutan and NE india could hardly sustain khulna. How would it have any effect on the proposed Sondia?

Second, any thought of China trade using Sondia is pie in the sky, they don't need it? A port and rail link to a deep water port in Pakistan is much more logical both from a strategic and commercial point of view.

Finally the real reason for building the new port is because our growing economy will be reaching the capacity at Chittagong very soon, and in the long run it will always be more logical to have a new deep water port then expand Chittagong.

I often get asked why build a huge port so Far East, when the bulk of your export industries are located in and around Dhaka, can't you build it closer to the capital? Seems illogical right! The new port has to be on our east coast, because the rest of the country sits on a huge alluvial delta, and would need constant dredging (this is also why BD land mass has constantly grown slowly as silt/land mass comes from india, and not sinking as many Indians have us believe).

 

[damiendehorn]

I agree with you...That makes a more rational discussion than just bashing me like some other posters....Thanks for your information...Ultimately the aim should be economic benefit of every nation irrespective of barrier of religion and nation..If it is benifitial to you to ship through Srilanka then of course that should be the way bussiness then you are right..

Don't get me wrong I am not anti indian or against any religion, I am how ever pro Bangladeshi and as a Bangladeshi (at least half of me that is) I do not consider india as a trustworthy and reliable neighbour.

 

[dray]

Interesting, but do you think so? India, currently, is in itself looking for more foreign direct investments on its own infrastructure, particularly the HSR , a multi-billion dollar program.

The cost of the Sonadia Deep Sea Port will be in the Billion(s). Given that Sonadia DSP will be the nexus of regional trade, it will require the avidity of major construction and planning firms that have an experience in funding and building such a large scale project. Since Sonadia is on an island, and the plan is to link that island to the mainland, the most likely builders of this massive DSP wold either be Japan or China.

And Given, if Japan wins the HSR contracts with India, this will be used as an opportunity to eventually start new projects in Bangladesh. If this manifests, this will not only Benefit Bangladesh enormously, but so will it for Japan.

Without questioning Japan or China's ability to build that port, I think India has that capability, maybe we can develop it jointly with Japan, well, if Bangladesh permits!! Btw, how many billion dollars you think would be required to build that port?