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Japan competes w/ China in Bangladesh

The whole purpose of building the Sonadia Deep Seaport is quite different from just building new terminals in Ctg. port. In the Ctg. Port 250,000t large mother vessels cannot enter because of shallow draft there. There are two nearby deep sea ports where the mother vessels anchor, cargoes for BD are unloaded on smaller vessels there and are carried to Ctg. Port and vice versa.

Two nearby deep ports are in Singapore and SL. Bangladesh wants another deep port of its own which will serve Ctg., Khulna, Kolkata, Orissa, Indian NE, China, Nepal and Bhutan.

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However, China route is uncertain because Burma may not allow a BD-China link up via its land which may make the port unprofitable with smaller revenue being earned there.

Cargoes from Yunnan is important but not essential to sustain the deep sea port as our own foreign trade will be more than enough.

But, if Japan invests in BD in a big way it will open a new opportunity because foreign trade with cargoes made in the Japanese owned factories will compensate for the lost business with China's Yunnan.

Japan is already set to construct a large industrial zone solely for Japanese businesses, so Japanese investment is already sealed.
 
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1) Cargoes from Yunnan is important but not essential to sustain the deep sea port as our own foreign trade will be more than enough.

2) Japan is already set to construct a large industrial zone solely for Japanese businesses, so Japanese investment is already sealed.

1) When a poor country borrows $7b and spends it to build a deep seaport, it must get the money back with interest. How it is possible to get the money back when the proposed seaport cannot serve the largest market in the region, Yunnan? BD market is too small to get any dividend.

2) BD has just started negotiations with Japan. It is not the govt of Japan who will bild he industrial plants in Dhaka. It is the private companies. I have not seen any movement by the Japanese enterprises, it is only the govt officials.

We have to see the present Japanese gesture with apprehension because Japan wants BD to withdraw its UN candidacy and support Japanese candidacy, instead. When this issue is settled and Japan gets elected there, it will find ways not to talk about investment matters any more.

Seeing what Japanese mindset is, I think BD is not suitable for a large scale Japanese investment. Very few of their executives would like to come here and work for his company.
 
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1) When a poor country borrows $7b and spends it to build a deep seaport, it must get the money back with interest. How it is possible to get the money back when the proposed seaport cannot serve the largest market in the region, Yunnan? BD market is too small to get any divient.

2) BD has just started negotiations with Japan. It is not the govt of Japan who will bild he industrial plants in Dhaka. It is the private companies. I have not seen any movement by the Japanese enterprises, it is only the govt officials.

We have to see the present Japanese gesture with apprehension because Japan wants BD to withdraw its UN candidacy. When this issue is settled and Japan gets elected there, it will find ways not to talk about investment matters any more. Seeing what Japanese mindset is, I think BD is not suitable for a large scale Japanese investment. Very few of their executives would like to come here and work for his company.

The size of the Mirarsarais SEZ is 10,000 Acre. Maheshkhali will host biggest Japanese power plants with projected capacity of 20000 MW. With that kind of investment, there will be plenty of facilities comes along for top executives as well.
 
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The size of the Mirarsarais SEZ is 10,000 Acre. Maheshkhali will host biggest Japanese power plants with projected capacity of 20000 MW. With that kind of investment, there will be plenty of facilities comes along for top executives as well.
You are talking about power plant construction. I talked about whether the Japanese private companies will find any incentives in a 3rd world muslim country to invest. Note, there is not even a single Japanese airline company that serves BD. It goes to India, but not BD. It has some meaning.
 
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:enjoy:All these talks about investments will dry up after BD pulls out of the UN security council non permanent seat race. No country will invest in a divided nation and as long as the war crimes trial issue is pending...
 
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:enjoy:All these talks about investments will dry up after BD pulls out of the UN security council non permanent seat race. No country will invest in a divided nation and as long as the war crimes trial issue is pending...

Nobody going to throw away 10,000 acres of land including Japs in Bangladesh which are as good as gold. Lots of money can be made in BD and war crimes trial is already in gutter.
 
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Nobody going to throw away 10,000 acres of land including Japs in Bangladesh which are as good as gold. Lots of money can be made in BD and war crimes trial is already in gutter.

This land belongs to the GoB, and not the GoJ. If Japan builds a power plant there it will be operated by BD beause the GoJ is not the owner. It never never operates even its own country's power plants.

I am talking about investment by the Japanese private companies. Their (almost) last station is Singapore though a very few companies have built shops in India. Japan is gradually withdrawing from a hostile China, but will invest in SE Asian countries like Vietnam and others, even in Burma where peoples' physical features look similar, people are friendly,
food is good, liquor and bars are available.

So, after Japan gets elected to the UN it will be business as usual. BD is falling into a Japanese money trap. Simply speaking BD is just unfit for a large scale Japanese private sector investment.
 
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This land belongs to the GoB, and not the GoJ. If Japan builds a power plant there it will be operated by BD beause the GoJ is not the owner. It never operates even its own power plants.

I am talking about investment by the Japanese private companies. Their (almost) last station is Singapore though a very few companies have built shops in India. Japan is gradually withdrawing from a hostile China, but will invest in SE Asian countries like Vietnam and others, even in Burma where peoples' physical features look similar, people are friendly,
food is good, liquor and bars are available.

So, after Japan gets elected to the UN it will be business as usual. BD is falling into a Japanese money trap. Simply speaking BD is just unfit for a large scale Japanese private sector investment.
Vietnam also has the advantage of being a TPP nation in the distant future...

Nobody going to throw away 10,000 acres of land including Japs in Bangladesh which are as good as gold. Lots of money can be made in BD and war crimes trial is already in gutter.
Surely the Jamaati leaders would have been hanged by now if that was the case or set free for that instance. IHS Jane says the Shibir is the third most armed non state group in the world (the Al-Quaida in Iraq came in fourth), not to mention the deeply polarized society. I agree with your assessment on the 10,000 acres land of being highly valuable, but investors would rather wait to see how it all pans out.

June 12, 2014 1:00 pm JST
A difficult road ahead for domestic reconciliation
SATOSHI IWAKI, Nikkei staff writer

DHAKA -- Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's sincerity is obvious.

During her May 22 interview with The Nikkei at the prime minister's official residence, aides had prepared a list of anticipated questions and appropriate answers. She left the paper on her desk and spoke freely in the 50-minute Q&A session.

Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, left, meets her Japanese counterpart Shuinzo Abe in Tokyo on May 26.


Hasina's strong desire to turn Bangladesh into a midtier economy was clear. Bangladesh today is one of the world's poorest countries. Its 156 million people in 2013 lived on a per-capita gross domestic product of $904.

The country is a leading garment maker, thanks to cheap labor. Workers there cost a sixth to a quarter of their counterparts in China and India. Some 4 million work in the nation's 5,600 garment factories.

Major global brands such as Zara and Gap have production bases there. After quadrupling exports over the past decade, Bangladesh now ranks as the world's second-biggest clothing exporter after China.

But last year's Rana Plaza disaster prompted a rethink among foreign companies about their strategies in the country. Critics claimed conditions at foreign factories were close to slave labor, driving the Bangladesh government in November to raise the minimum wage for garment workers by roughly 80%.

Japan is happy to help Hasina. At a May 26 summit between her and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, the two agreed to develop a comprehensive partnership that includes national security cooperation. Hasina also won economic assistance worth up to 600 billion yen ($5.85 billion) for the next four to five years.

Bangladesh and Japan are competing for a nonpermanent member seat at the U.N. Security Council. But Hasina indicated to Japan that Bangladesh would withdraw from the race, saying she would confirm the news with Abe when he visits.


A major issue standing in the way for the country's economic development is political instability. Khaleda Zia, Hasina's main rival and the leader of the opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party, has fought Hasina since the 1990s. Both have served as the prime minister twice.

Their rivalry intensifies with each national election. Zia's BNP boycotted a national election earlier this year, casting doubt on its legitimacy. The U.S. and Europe declined to send election monitors.

When asked if the current government can claim legitimacy, Hasina brushed off criticism. There was no hint of a willingness to mend the divide and bring the country together. But if Bangladesh is to become a semideveloped country, its leaders must understand there is more to democracy than elections.


EVEN THE INFLUENCIAL JAPANESE MAGAZINE, THE NIKKEI TALKS ABOUT THE DEEPLY DIVIDED NATION, THE CONTROVERSIAL POLLS AND THE WAR CRIMES TRIAL, NOT TO MENTION HASINA BRIBING ABE TO COME TO BANGLADESH :lol:
 
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Nobody going to throw away 10,000 acres of land including Japs in Bangladesh which are as good as gold. Lots of money can be made in BD and war crimes trial is already in gutter.

Japan is a very rich country, its people and govt both are rich. Japanese company executives do not have to discard any of the elements of their good life in Japan and SE Asia to come to an unclean country like BD just to earn a few extra bucks, except for temporary missions.

Today, Japan buys all the low technology products from abroad and exports very sophisticated high technology goods, specially to EU, USA, Arab and Latin countries. But, all the hi-tech machines are made in Japan by the Japanese technicians.

Jamaati trial is certainly not in the gutter. It will come out to the surface whenever BNP starts street agitations in cooperation with Jamaat. AL govt will just hang a few of them. This is why Jamaat is not interested in agitations at the moment.
 
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1) When a poor country borrows $7b and spends it to build a deep seaport, it must get the money back with interest. How it is possible to get the money back when the proposed seaport cannot serve the largest market in the region, Yunnan? BD market is too small to get any dividend.

2) BD has just started negotiations with Japan. It is not the govt of Japan who will bild he industrial plants in Dhaka. It is the private companies. I have not seen any movement by the Japanese enterprises, it is only the govt officials.

We have to see the present Japanese gesture with apprehension because Japan wants BD to withdraw its UN candidacy and support Japanese candidacy, instead. When this issue is settled and Japan gets elected there, it will find ways not to talk about investment matters any more.

Seeing what Japanese mindset is, I think BD is not suitable for a large scale Japanese investment. Very few of their executives would like to come here and work for his company.

Well, as far as I know Japanese investors have high regards for Bangladesh as far as investment is concerned and Bangladesh is currently one of the most preferred investment destinations for them which was explicitly reflected during Hasina's visit to Tokyo this year, even some BNP leaning experts have acknowledged the fact.

Japan's such interest on Bangladesh could be explained through the UNSC candidacy issue but I don't buy it, I was even surprised when Abe's forthcoming visit to Bangladesh was announced. The illegitimacy of the present government have pushed Bangladesh at the rock bottom in terms of diplomatic influence, hence there is no chance of winning the UNSC seat, Japan must be well aware of this situation.

Vietnam also has the advantage of being a TPP nation in the distant future...

Joining TPP is no big deal, US is already pushing us to join but for some reason government is not interested.
 
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Well, as far as I know Japanese investors have high regards for Bangladesh as far as investment is concerned and Bangladesh is currently one of the most preferred investment destinations for them which was explicitly reflected during Hasina's visit to Tokyo this year, even some BNP leaning experts have acknowledged the fact.

Japan's such interest on Bangladesh could be explained through the UNSC candidacy issue but I don't buy it, I was even surprised when Abe's forthcoming visit to Bangladesh was announced. The illegitimacy of the present government have pushed Bangladesh at the rock bottom in terms of diplomatic influence, hence there is no chance of winning the UNSC seat, Japan must be well aware of this situation.



Joining TPP is no big deal, US is already pushing us to join but for some reason government is not interested.
The US has not pushed for it yet...
 
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Japan is a very rich country, its people and govt both are rich. Japanese company executives do not have to discard any of the elements of their good life in Japan and SE Asia to come to an unclean country like BD just to earn a few extra bucks, except for temporary missions.

Today, Japan buys all the low technology products from abroad and exports very sophisticated high technology goods, specially to EU, USA, Arab and Latin countries. But, all the hi-tech machines are made in Japan by the Japanese technicians.

Jamaati trial is certainly not in the gutter. It will come out to the surface whenever BNP starts street agitations in cooperation with Jamaat. AL govt will just hang a few of them. This is why Jamaat is not interested in agitations at the moment.

They dont send hordes of executive when invest overseas. You will hardly find any Japanese executives in Honda plant or in Mitsubishi plants in BD as they source manpower domestically or if required from other countries in the sub continent. The very top executives like CEO or Managers dont look for booze or women but for challenges in new venture.
 
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They dont send hordes of executive when invest overseas. You will hardly find any Japanese executives in Honda plant or in Mitsubishi plants in BD as they source manpower domestically or if required from other countries in the sub continent. The very top executives like CEO or Managers dont look for booze or women but for challenges in new venture.

Honda Motors is a joint venture with a local company to assemble motor bikes, and Mitsubishi company is just exporting a few cars in CKD condition to Pragoti. Mitsubishi CKDs are brought to BD by one of my friends, Ziaul Islam (Mr. Shichida). Their high value products are in demand in BD. But, Japan is certainly not all Honda and Mitsubishi types of companies.

Anyway, I do not think Japanese will invest in a big way to an unclean BD where people are ill-mannered, rough and coarse. This is why they are building the physical infrastructures of a few ASEAN countries, Do you know that the 2nd largest Japanese car maker, NISSAN , is already building an assembling plant in Burma. Its President Mr. Ghone came himself for the occasion. NISSAN chose Burma for the reasons that I have cited in my previous post.

Evaluating one's own country positively is a good patriotism. But, it is not BD who would decide on the investment matters, but the Japanese themselves. Whatever Japan govt talking now is pure politics to join the non-permanent seat of UN.

I would not say there will not be any investment at all in BD by the Japanese, but majority companies will possibly opt for Burma, Vietnam and others where people are polite, food is good and liquors are available.

You lived in a foreign country, but you have not understood the lifestyle there. People need entertainment places where they can enjoy after-work good time, it is not called boozing.

Nissan Announces First Car Factory in Myanmar. Production Starts with Sunny [Video] - autoevolution
 
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1) When a poor country borrows $7b and spends it to build a deep seaport, it must get the money back with interest.

That $7 billion figure falsely used to throw Bangladesh deep sea port project in deep freeze. This type of port is NOT build in one go rather build in phases. Therefore money invested are gradual. But returns from investment become available as soon port become functional with initial set of investment which is nowhere near that made up figure of "$7" billion.

Unfortunately some people like you always look to serve indian interest to kill Bangladeshi development project.

Another note, Chinese port project in Myanmar doomed to fail because Myanmar recently said no to rail project and without rail there is no prospect or trade volume to support such project in Myanmar. Road connectivity from western part of Myanmar towards China is need to be built as well.

Having said that Bangladesh has its own trade volume that justifies deep sea port. Without deep sea port mother vessel could not come to Chittagong and Bangladeshi exporters have to pay extra to use feeder vessel to send cargo to Singapore, Malaysia, Colombo etc. Cost savings and increase export competitiveness alone justifies deep sea port in Bangladesh.

Bangladesh deep sea port needs to carry indian NE trade and competing Myanmar port are indian narratives to push Bangladesh project away and to justify false necessity of india. And we know by now who are paddling those indian narratives.
 
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