Jangli boss? I hate him

[jamahir]

@Joe Shearer, since you know Law, how would you advise PaklovesTurkiye ??

My own business will take time...what do you think? I think I do need a job, even to inject salary into business....

I just can't compromise on injustice or humiliation...

I understand your sentiment in the last line, because I myself faced such things in my previous job a few years ago. What I decided, but didn't carry out ( because I resigned ), was the idea of starting an employee union. If you can trust your co-workers you can invite them into an employee union that you all will set up for mutual benefit. Maybe your co-workers also face injustice from your boss but they are unable to express it.

But tell me, is there a HR department in your company ??

@Krptonite, what do you think ?? Setting up employee unions is an internationally accepted right of employees everywhere.

PaklovesTurkiye, setting up a union also has the advantage in your case that when you eventually set up your own company you can invite your co-workers, at least some of them, to join your company. They would trust you and you would trust them as you and them will have jointly set up the union.

Don't know about Indian courts but here going into courts for petty issues is like going into den of hyenas. Who in the right mind would pursue this? First he would have to proof that there is an abusive relationship between him and his boss and on top of that he would have to pay for lawyer fees, on top of that what would want courts to do in this matter?

I agree that going to court is no minor affair but what if a group of employees approach the court as part of their employee union ?? I don't know if the Labor Court have lawyers but even if there are lawyers, their service can be obtained as part of the group of employees.

He just has to live with it and if he doesn't like it, he should quit his job. Job is a "service" if you don't like to serve than don't do a job. Start your own business, some people don't like to serve or get bossed around, job/service is not for them.

There is no guarantee that his next job will be different. Even if he decides to leave this current job, will it not better to make a stand and at least to try to set up an union ?? I am not saying that he should barge into his current boss's cabin and pick a fight.

 

[Trango Towers]

finding new job these days is very difficult in Pakistan,better try to resolve issues with dialogue

Your advice is good under normal circumstances.
Clearly herr you have not lived or worked in Pakistan. The boss always thinks he is a god (astagfarullah). You simply cannot communicate with these people.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

.Thinking very hard to quit and want to but afraid not to negatively impact on my CV...

Tell me what to do?

This is not an issue.Professionals around the world take parental leaves, leaves for education, leaves due to a personal loss for months/years.In your head plant it as a leave you are taking for your family..Just play around with timelines or excuses on the resume .....Gaps in resume dont matter as long as you satisfy the person taking your interview that you are the right guy for him.

Your advice is good under normal circumstances.
Clearly herr you have not lived or worked in Pakistan. The boss always thinks he is a god (astagfarullah). You simply cannot communicate with these people.

Report them to HR. This is one thing they could lose their sleep over..If he fires you after you report, he is in bigger trouble...but always do such adventures when you have alternate income coming in.

 

[Krptonite]

@Joe Shearer, since you know Law, how would you advise PaklovesTurkiye ??



I understand your sentiment in the last line, because I myself faced such things in my previous job a few years ago. What I decided, but didn't carry out ( because I resigned ), was the idea of starting an employee union. If you can trust your co-workers you can invite them into an employee union that you all will set up for mutual benefit. You can set it up secretly for the time being. Maybe your co-workers also face injustice from your boss but they are unable to express it.

But tell me, is there a HR department in your company ??

@Krptonite, what do you think ?? Setting up employee unions is an internationally accepted right of employees everywhere.

PaklovesTurkiye, setting up a union also has the advantage in your case that when you eventually set up your own company you can invite your co-workers, at least some of them, to join your company. They would trust you and you would trust them as you and them will have jointly set up the union.



I agree that going to court is no minor affair but what if a group of employees approach the court as part of their employee union ?? I don't know if the Labor Court have lawyers but even if there are lawyers, their service can be obtained as part of the group of employees.



There is no guarantee that his next job will be different. Even if he decides to leave this current job, will it not better to make a stand and at least to try to set up an union ?? I am not saying that he should barge into his current boss's cabin and pick a fight, but he can partially do what @Krptonite posted earlier :

Union is a big misstep, in the sense that he will have to undergo many hardships to have it established and running.

Much simpler to seek prospects elsewhere.

HR is not for the employees but for the employers, approaching them might paint a target on your back. They will protect the management at all costs. Don't be gullible and believe them. If possible make sure all sorts of agreements are in writing, oral understandings/agreements are the worst, be wary and carefull of them.

 

[jamahir]

Report them to HR.

Yes, that is a good thing to do, @PaklovesTurkiye. But do read below.

If he fires you after you report, he is in bigger trouble

But this depends on whether the boss is a mid-level manager and there are higher authorities above him. Because if he is the ultimate boss then the HR department belongs to him.

Union is a big misstep, in the sense that he will have to undergo many hardships to have it established and running.

Much simpler to seek prospects elsewhere

I agree that establishing an union and have it running will bring him hardships but, as I said earlier, what if his next job's boss turns out to be the same ?? Is it not better to make a stand in the current job ?? What is the maximum that can happen ?? He will be removed from the current job. He would have been possibly leaving it anyway. But he should see to it that he should not present himself as a troublemaker in the interview for the next job.

 

[LeGenD]

Ek ---boss hai mera....I hate him. salary katney ki tarriyan lagata hai baat baat per.

Mera ek pal bhi man nh karta k main us janwar ki shakal dekhoun

with him since last 3 months....Thinking very hard to quit and want to but afraid not to negatively impact on my CV...

My self respect just doesn't allow me to work under him.

I can't tolerate injustice. Advice me, guys....My own online business is about to get launch in coming few weeks as well, starting with small....

Tell me what to do?

Bro,

Do you have money problems? Do you need a job to make your ends meet? Do you have financial backup? Can you endure for a while on your own or with support of your family members if you quit this job?

3 months is nothing significant to show on a CV - so do not worry about this aspect.

If you can survive without this job then my suggestion to you is to QUIT it because your mental well-being is at stake here. However, do not mention anything odd in your resignation letter - keep it professional and to the point.

However, if you fear that he will overreact and/or try to blackmail you when you hand over your resignation letter to him then make sure to record your last conversation with him on your smartphone as a precautionary measure before you enter his office (you are not his slave and should not be threatened for leaving). However, keep your cool throughout. No need to pick a fight with your boss but let him know in polite terms that he does not offer a constructive working environment to his subordinates before you leave his office.

But if you cannot survive without this job then you need to be PATIENT until your own startup take off. Best wishes.

EDIT

Leave process have following aspects.

Leave immediately = surrender one month salary
Leave with 1 month notice period = no need to surrender one month salary

So plan your response accordingly.

 

[MastanKhan]

Customer support role



He's kinda person that he even can say, I'll deduct your salary if you're going for interview.....He is kinda asshole....

I also think I should start apply without giving a single fuk



Hence my worries...



So true....I just can't stand humiliation or non sense despite the fact that I REALLY want to have a job.



Thank you for your comment...Wonder whether I can do this or not.



My own business will take time...what do you think? I think I do need a job, even to inject salary into business....

I just can't compromise on injustice or humiliation...

@LeGenD @MastanKhan

Hi,

When you take abuse---your character and the person inside of you starts to disintegrate.

If you can afford to---then quit this job and search for a new job---.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer, since you know Law, how would you advise PaklovesTurkiye ??



I understand your sentiment in the last line, because I myself faced such things in my previous job a few years ago. What I decided, but didn't carry out ( because I resigned ), was the idea of starting an employee union. If you can trust your co-workers you can invite them into an employee union that you all will set up for mutual benefit. Maybe your co-workers also face injustice from your boss but they are unable to express it.

But tell me, is there a HR department in your company ??

@Krptonite, what do you think ?? Setting up employee unions is an internationally accepted right of employees everywhere.

PaklovesTurkiye, setting up a union also has the advantage in your case that when you eventually set up your own company you can invite your co-workers, at least some of them, to join your company. They would trust you and you would trust them as you and them will have jointly set up the union.



I agree that going to court is no minor affair but what if a group of employees approach the court as part of their employee union ?? I don't know if the Labor Court have lawyers but even if there are lawyers, their service can be obtained as part of the group of employees.



There is no guarantee that his next job will be different. Even if he decides to leave this current job, will it not better to make a stand and at least to try to set up an union ?? I am not saying that he should barge into his current boss's cabin and pick a fight.

I know a bit of law, and having been a boss (that's double SOB backwards), know both sides of the table. I also know the practical side of working in south Asia; we are slaves, at all levels, and take out our frustrations from dealing with our own boss on our helpless subordinates.

1. Forget about Labour Courts; our Chief Minister in Telangana has fought off the Labour department, the Labour Court and even the state High Court and has kept us without public transport (Hyderabad-Secunderabad is not exactly a small city, and the bus services have been out about a month-and-a-half now). Labour Courts have been castrated, deliberately; these countries are not people friendly, and they are emphatically not run for citizens.
   
2. About CVs, nobody likes people who have been shifting frequently. Once every three years is barely tolerable. Barely. I rarely looked seriously at anybody who had been shifting more frequently than thatnn. So leaving is a bad idea; from the account, staying is a worse idea, so that's all right. @PaklovesTurkiye has to leave. The question is how, and when.
3. As far as how is concerned, it is needed to put aside at least two to four hours a day to job-hunting. Since the boss is such an evil being, this has to be done on a strict schedule, outside office hours.
4. Leaving has its own perils; people will watch you more closely than normal to figure out if you are unstable, and likely to shift jobs again. Put very simply, you are a marked man the day you leave. So while it is clear that staying on where the present job is, is not an option, the new job needs to be one (judging by external evidence at least) where it is possible to foresee working for more than three years, at least.Praying to be able to leave is fine; what happens if that prayer is answered?

So where does that leave our friend?

• Stick to this job for the time being.
• Try to stay out of the way of the boss.
• Make sure to be doing a good job; leaving and facing those consequences is one thing when explaining a cv; being asked to leave is a lost cause, and while it doesn't necessarily have to get known, it is best to follow the advice of the good book: "Tell it not in Gath, proclaim it not in the streets of Ashkelon...."
• Look systematically and without losing time for the next job.
• Prepare everything for an exit. Back up your work, extricate your personal files and information, ensure that nothing is left behind that is not company property. Keep nothing personal on your table-top. Any company-issued equipment should be duplicated immediately, and it must be assumed that everything will be taken back abruptly, with little or no notice.
• Be clear about your reasons for leaving. Boss hating is common; it is also not very popular with other bosses.

Good luck.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Ek ---boss hai mera....I hate him. salary katney ki tarriyan lagata hai baat baat per.

Mera ek pal bhi man nh karta k main us janwar ki shakal dekhoun

with him since last 3 months....Thinking very hard to quit and want to but afraid not to negatively impact on my CV...

My self respect just doesn't allow me to work under him.

I can't tolerate injustice. Advice me, guys....My own online business is about to get launch in coming few weeks as well, starting with small....

Tell me what to do?

If you can't even decide over a matter that is intensely related to your person and job; and you want bunch of random people million miles from you to decide for you I feel sorry. Sorry for your employer for having such a immature buffoon as you on his/her staff.

Grow up and sprout a pair.

 

[jamahir]

If you can't even decide over a matter that is intensely related to your person and job; and you want bunch of random people million miles from you to decide for you I feel sorry. Sorry for your employer for having such a immature buffoon as you on his/her staff.

Grow up and sprout a pair.

Come on, @PaklovesTurkiye could not trust in his colleagues because of which he has asked the next community he attends regularly - PDF.

Nothing wrong in that.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Ek ---boss hai mera....I hate him. salary katney ki tarriyan lagata hai baat baat per.

Mera ek pal bhi man nh karta k main us janwar ki shakal dekhoun

with him since last 3 months....Thinking very hard to quit and want to but afraid not to negatively impact on my CV...

My self respect just doesn't allow me to work under him.

I can't tolerate injustice. Advice me, guys....My own online business is about to get launch in coming few weeks as well, starting with small....

Tell me what to do?

Are you working in call center for product promotion? Then I will suggest you to get the experience of call center and open your own.

 

[Rehan khan 1]

Ek ---boss hai mera....I hate him. salary katney ki tarriyan lagata hai baat baat per.

Mera ek pal bhi man nh karta k main us janwar ki shakal dekhoun

with him since last 3 months....Thinking very hard to quit and want to but afraid not to negatively impact on my CV...

My self respect just doesn't allow me to work under him.

I can't tolerate injustice. Advice me, guys....My own online business is about to get launch in coming few weeks as well, starting with small....

Tell me what to do?

you cant do anything about it all bosses are jangli. yeh sharif admi ka kam nhi boss ban jana. you must do your time in this world.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Come on, @PaklovesTurkiye could not trust

I am helping him to grow up and gain trust in himself. What he can do, non of us can do for him. It's like the guy asking his mates "the night of marriage scares me. What am I gonna do. What if it does not stand? What if I plug the wrong place in dark etc".

Reply. Trust yourself. On the night go with your innate nature. Nobody else can fcuk for you. Essential lesson of life. Better to learn it now. This lad sound green behind the ears .....

 

[PakSword]

if you're going for interview.....

Who tells his boss before going to a job interview?

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Don't know about Indian courts but here going into courts for petty issues is like going into den of hyenas. Who in the right mind would pursue this? First he would have to proof that there is an abusive relationship between him and his boss and on top of that he would have to pay for lawyer fees, on top of that what would want courts to do in this matter? It's not like sexual harassment issue, its an issue of a boss being a boss. Most of the bosses are like that, the requirement for being a boss is that you have to be cvnt to every employee, thats just the nature of the job.

He just has to live with it and if he doesn't like it, he should quit his job. Job is a "service" if you don't like to serve than don't do a job. Start your own business, some people don't like to serve or get bossed around, job/service is not for them.

Same in India. But Mr. @jamahir lacks common sense and started suggestion about labor court.