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do you have anyother better option than highcourt in bangladesh!? seems like you are the alien.
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Fearing catastrophic defeat in up coming general election arranged by neutral body and envisioning their none relevant presence in Bangladesh politics , desperate Awami/la-hasina's last attempt to domesticate Jamati tigers.
Hasina has been trying hard to break BNP-Jamat alliance but all of her attempts failed so far. So Hasina applying more pressure to back footed Jamat-e-Islami to break up with BNP, force them to participate next general election headed by thug la-hasina for legitimacy with exchange of some immediate benefits like detained leaders of Jamat won't be hanged and Jamat will be allow to use their election trademark.
Jamat has two option:
1--Bow down to Awami's pressure, accept all terms and condition(Break up with BNP and agree to participate in next general election headed by la-Hasina) with exchange of some immediate benefits.
2--Have faith in Allah(as per their constitution and party ideology), keep up the fighting spirit and give middle finger to Bhaarti dalal Awami, Straggle with natural ally BNP and force Awami thug to restore CTG.
If Jamat choose option 1, then they may get some immediate benefits but it will end their politics as they will be identify as Munafiq(hypocrite) by Islam friendly public for collaborating with murtids Awamis and they may face revolt within for betraying(beimani) with the blood of Jamat-Shibir foot solders. Young Jamatis rather die then shake hand with enemy of Islam, Awami murtids.
I do not know other part of the country but in my home distric Sylhet, Islam friendly public sympathizing with Jamat with their struggle against Awami thugs. Jamat has prove to general public that they are not terrorst organization as they has been portrait by Awami leftist thugs. I belive Jamat should not and must not bow to Awamis pressure. They must not come out as Ghaddars(traitors)/back stabbers among it's young supporters and sympathizers. At the end they will be victorious InshAllah.
May Awami thugs die in pain.
Hasina has been trying hard to break BNP-Jamat alliance but all of her attempts failed so far. So Hasina applying more pressure to back footed Jamat-e-Islami to break up with BNP, force them to participate next general election headed by thug la-hasina for legitimacy with exchange of some immediate benefits like detained leaders of Jamat won't be hanged and Jamat will be allow to use their election trademark.
Jamat has two option:
1--Bow down to Awami's pressure, accept all terms and condition(Break up with BNP and agree to participate in next general election headed by la-Hasina) with exchange of some immediate benefits.
2--Have faith in Allah(as per their constitution and party ideology), keep up the fighting spirit and give middle finger to Bhaarti dalal Awami, Straggle with natural ally BNP and force Awami thug to restore CTG.
If Jamat choose option 1, then they may get some immediate benefits but it will end their politics as they will be identify as Munafiq(hypocrite) by Islam friendly public for collaborating with murtids Awamis and they may face revolt within for betraying(beimani) with the blood of Jamat-Shibir foot solders. Young Jamatis rather die then shake hand with enemy of Islam, Awami murtids.
I do not know other part of the country but in my home distric Sylhet, Islam friendly public sympathizing with Jamat with their struggle against Awami thugs. Jamat has prove to general public that they are not terrorst organization as they has been portrait by Awami leftist thugs. I belive Jamat should not and must not bow to Awamis pressure. They must not come out as Ghaddars(traitors)/back stabbers among it's young supporters and sympathizers. At the end they will be victorious InshAllah.
May Awami thugs die in pain.
The followings are profound comments of a critic in regards to JI's ban. I think philosophical aspects of it are extremely important
Let me remind all of us including myself When God wants to help a nation He gives us a gentle shake. If we dont respond HE shakes us harder. If we still dont respond then God increases our sufferings. What we are observing currently , our sufferings are increasing day by day because we are not responding His call. What I am saying all the time , when good people does not act bad people takes in charge. If we notice carefully, all kinds of controversial verdicts are coming from our courts after this ruling party came to power because bad people are in charge. In politics reality and time plays very important role. Reality is popularity of our ruling party is at zero level. Internal division in side ruling party is at peak. Jubo League is out of control. Ruling party leaders are in different page and giving contradictory remarks in a same issue. One leader is working on "how to win election by smelling". Another is working on "how to win election by keeping full trust in the party". Grandson came with foreign experience as visiting politician to work on "how to win election by deceiving people with misinformation". When I say time, meaning, ruling party ruling period is gong to expire soon. So time is very short and important for our ruling party now. They have to implement their hidden plan with in this short time. But reality is people do not want to see them again in power but they want to keep the power. Legally they can not keep the power. What ever they have as an alternate may be unconstitutional. I am not a constitutional expert. But my common sense is telling me an abnormal ( like logi boytha) situation will allow to give current ruling power some kind of special power to control the situation. What I am feeling জামায়াত নিষিদ্ধ will definitely a perfect trigger to create abnormal situation which will allow current ruling power to continue. Yes, job will not be a piece of cake. What I am trying to say, issue of জামায়াত নিষিদ্ধ ruling has created at the eleventh hour to achieve their objective. Now our job is to understand this ruling power trap (জামায়াত নিষিদ্ধ
deeply and act according to the law of the nation based on unity. At the end Divine power will ask the people of uniform to intervene. I think people will support them fully. Let us wait and see.
Let me remind all of us including myself When God wants to help a nation He gives us a gentle shake. If we dont respond HE shakes us harder. If we still dont respond then God increases our sufferings. What we are observing currently , our sufferings are increasing day by day because we are not responding His call. What I am saying all the time , when good people does not act bad people takes in charge. If we notice carefully, all kinds of controversial verdicts are coming from our courts after this ruling party came to power because bad people are in charge. In politics reality and time plays very important role. Reality is popularity of our ruling party is at zero level. Internal division in side ruling party is at peak. Jubo League is out of control. Ruling party leaders are in different page and giving contradictory remarks in a same issue. One leader is working on "how to win election by smelling". Another is working on "how to win election by keeping full trust in the party". Grandson came with foreign experience as visiting politician to work on "how to win election by deceiving people with misinformation". When I say time, meaning, ruling party ruling period is gong to expire soon. So time is very short and important for our ruling party now. They have to implement their hidden plan with in this short time. But reality is people do not want to see them again in power but they want to keep the power. Legally they can not keep the power. What ever they have as an alternate may be unconstitutional. I am not a constitutional expert. But my common sense is telling me an abnormal ( like logi boytha) situation will allow to give current ruling power some kind of special power to control the situation. What I am feeling জামায়াত নিষিদ্ধ will definitely a perfect trigger to create abnormal situation which will allow current ruling power to continue. Yes, job will not be a piece of cake. What I am trying to say, issue of জামায়াত নিষিদ্ধ ruling has created at the eleventh hour to achieve their objective. Now our job is to understand this ruling power trap (জামায়াত নিষিদ্ধ
deeply and act according to the law of the nation based on unity. At the end Divine power will ask the people of uniform to intervene. I think people will support them fully. Let us wait and see.
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I do not believe in this SHAKE thing now. If that was true, there were no USA and atheists countries. Our troubles are created by us, because we could not reach the consensus. I do not think Allah will do anything to Bangladesh even everyone becomes Atheists here, but the problems will happen if some become atheists and some do not/
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I don't remember the exact theory,but nature controls its imbalances by natural catastrophe. The situations in current BD politics is also like a imbalance nature's. So,its just a matter of time,we should all brace for a catastrophic conclusion.
SKIES BRO, I thought that UR perceptual level were higher than above. Anyway, our current problems aren't our own creation (It will take pages after pages for me to explain but check the following website out to get to the bottom of it, Henry C.K.Liu Home). And the rationale of Allah's action are beyond man's understanding, thanks.
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Parties that don't believe in fundamental beliefs of a nation's constitution can and should be banned. Example: banning of Nazi party in post war Germany, banning of communism in US and banning of Maoist party in India. It is a symbolic gesture .
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What India can learn from Bangladesh’s Jamaat-e-Islami ban
by Praveen Swami Aug 3, 2013
What India can learn from Bangladesh
bangladesh-HC-police-AFPIn 1939, a Hyderabad-born cleric wrote the essay that laid out the foundational credo of the Islamist movement in South Asia. Islam, Abul Ala Maududi wrote in Jihad in the Way of Allah, wasn’t a “hotchpotch of beliefs, prayers and rituals”. Instead, it was “a revolutionary ideology which seeks to alter the social order of the entire world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets”.
He concluded “if the Muslim Party commands enough resources, it will eliminate un-lslamic governments and establish the power of Islamic government in their place.”
Earlier this week, Bangladesh’s High Court laid the foundations for a frontal confrontation with those ideas. In a landmark order, it has prohibited the Jama’at-e-Islami party founded by Maududi from contesting elections, saying its constitution is illegal. The decision will have fateful consequences for Bangladesh. It also holds out a lesson in courage to rulers across the region, though, who have often proved only too willing to appease religious fundamentalism.
The genesis of the high court order lies in laws passed in 2008, when Bangladesh’s former military-backed government set out new criteria for all registered political parties. The Jama’at held back on amending key portions of its constitution–notably one that proclaimed sovereignty lay with Allah, rather than the people, through Parliament. It also failed to remove discriminatory mandates on gender and religion from its party constitution.
Bangladesh’s High Court has upheld an important principle: that democracies can’t cede space to forces committed to destroying it. It’s a lesson that nations across our region need to learn.
Founded at Dhaka’s Eden Hotel in May, 1979, the grim history of the Bangladesh Jama’at shows why that separation is important. In 1953, Maududi’s Jama’at sought to win legitimacy in undivided Pakistan by stoking anti-Ahmadi violence. He earned a death sentence, but eventually secured his release from prison to abjure revolutionary politics. The party revived itself in East Pakistan, by stoking anti-Hindu sentiments to combat nascent nationalism.
In 1970—when Pakistan’s first elections were held, sparking off a crisis that would end in the creation of Bangladesh—the Jama’at won some 6% of the vote, and one seat in the 300-member provincial assembly.
During Bangladesh’s war of independence, the Jama’at-e-Islami leadership sided with Pakistan, setting up a death-squad which killed thousands. In a recent judgment sentencing a Jama’at leader to 90 years in prison, Bangladesh’s war crimes tribunal said the Jama’at “intentionally functioned as a criminal organisation” during the war.
The Jama’at was annihilated, along with Pakistan, in 1971—but the wheel soon spun in its favour. Major-General Zia-ur-Rahman, who emerged as Bangaldesh’s ruler after the 1975 coup, allowed the Jama’at-e-Islami to re-enter civic life, first through a front-organisation and then as a functional political party. His successor, General HM Ershad, even appointed two 1971 war criminals, Abdul Mannan and Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury, to cabinet positions.
From 2001-2006, it used its alliance with the Bangladesh Nationalist Party to take control of the social welfare ministry, dominating Bangladesh’s well-funded NGO sector. It controlled the Islami Bank, Bangladesh’s third-largest.
In a thoughtful analysis, Jyoti Rahman has noted the Jama’at never enjoyed a mass constituency: at its peak, in 1991, it won 12 percent of the popular vote and 18 of 300 seats in parliament, falling in 2008 to 4 percent of the vote and just eight seats.
Yet, in a competitive political landscape, this constituency mattered—just as fundamentalists of all hues matter to establishmentarian political parties in India today.
Bangladesh’s citizens eventually forced the change. In the 2008 elections, the 1971 war crimes re-emerged as a key issue for large numbers of young Bangladeshis—in part spurred on by a surge of literature and activism around the crimes of that time. The youth movement eventually exploded into what Bangladeshis now call the Shahbag Awakening—a massive assertion of secular power.
Islamists in Bangladesh are now fighting back on the streets, with ever-growing violence. There are also worries the denial of political space to the Jama’at might push its cadre into terrorist groups. For example, the Jama’at Mujahideen Bangladesh, formed in 1998 with support from the Lashkar-e-Taiba, was led by former Jama’at leader Abdul Rehman. He successfully recruited radicalised cadre from the ranks of the Islami Chhatra Shibir, until he was eventually executed in 2007.
Bangladesh will likely face a long political struggle—but, more likely than not, the price is worth paying to secure secular, constitutional polity.
In 1994, India’s Supreme Court mandated secularism as a norm in national life—but governments and parties have appeased religious groups with impunity.
The Indian wing of the Jama’at-e-Islami asserts, in its constitution, that all men should “should refuse to acknowledge as valid all those allegiances which are not subservient to the allegiance of the One Allah and His Law”—presumably including the Indian state republic. That hasn’t stopped leaders like Human Resources Minister Shashi Tharoor from meeting its leadership.
Hindu nationalist political leaders, for their part, have courted organisations like the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, despite their expressly exclusionary religious agenda.
Fascinatingly, leaders of both the Jamaat and VHP condemned the Rajasthan government earlier this year, when it said it would no longer give cash awards to sportspersons linked to religious-chauvinist groups.
In South Asia today, there are two models of the future. There’s Pakistan, where leaders dragged God out on to the streets—with catastrophic consequences. Then, there’s Bangladesh, which is showing that it’s possible to step away from the abyss. For modern national states to function, Bangladesh understand, polities must be founded on law-based citizenship, not ties of religion or ethnicity.
India faces this choice, too. It doesn’t take a lot to figure out what the smart one is.
by Praveen Swami Aug 3, 2013
What India can learn from Bangladesh
bangladesh-HC-police-AFPIn 1939, a Hyderabad-born cleric wrote the essay that laid out the foundational credo of the Islamist movement in South Asia. Islam, Abul Ala Maududi wrote in Jihad in the Way of Allah, wasn’t a “hotchpotch of beliefs, prayers and rituals”. Instead, it was “a revolutionary ideology which seeks to alter the social order of the entire world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets”.
He concluded “if the Muslim Party commands enough resources, it will eliminate un-lslamic governments and establish the power of Islamic government in their place.”
Earlier this week, Bangladesh’s High Court laid the foundations for a frontal confrontation with those ideas. In a landmark order, it has prohibited the Jama’at-e-Islami party founded by Maududi from contesting elections, saying its constitution is illegal. The decision will have fateful consequences for Bangladesh. It also holds out a lesson in courage to rulers across the region, though, who have often proved only too willing to appease religious fundamentalism.
The genesis of the high court order lies in laws passed in 2008, when Bangladesh’s former military-backed government set out new criteria for all registered political parties. The Jama’at held back on amending key portions of its constitution–notably one that proclaimed sovereignty lay with Allah, rather than the people, through Parliament. It also failed to remove discriminatory mandates on gender and religion from its party constitution.
Bangladesh’s High Court has upheld an important principle: that democracies can’t cede space to forces committed to destroying it. It’s a lesson that nations across our region need to learn.
Founded at Dhaka’s Eden Hotel in May, 1979, the grim history of the Bangladesh Jama’at shows why that separation is important. In 1953, Maududi’s Jama’at sought to win legitimacy in undivided Pakistan by stoking anti-Ahmadi violence. He earned a death sentence, but eventually secured his release from prison to abjure revolutionary politics. The party revived itself in East Pakistan, by stoking anti-Hindu sentiments to combat nascent nationalism.
In 1970—when Pakistan’s first elections were held, sparking off a crisis that would end in the creation of Bangladesh—the Jama’at won some 6% of the vote, and one seat in the 300-member provincial assembly.
During Bangladesh’s war of independence, the Jama’at-e-Islami leadership sided with Pakistan, setting up a death-squad which killed thousands. In a recent judgment sentencing a Jama’at leader to 90 years in prison, Bangladesh’s war crimes tribunal said the Jama’at “intentionally functioned as a criminal organisation” during the war.
The Jama’at was annihilated, along with Pakistan, in 1971—but the wheel soon spun in its favour. Major-General Zia-ur-Rahman, who emerged as Bangaldesh’s ruler after the 1975 coup, allowed the Jama’at-e-Islami to re-enter civic life, first through a front-organisation and then as a functional political party. His successor, General HM Ershad, even appointed two 1971 war criminals, Abdul Mannan and Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury, to cabinet positions.
From 2001-2006, it used its alliance with the Bangladesh Nationalist Party to take control of the social welfare ministry, dominating Bangladesh’s well-funded NGO sector. It controlled the Islami Bank, Bangladesh’s third-largest.
In a thoughtful analysis, Jyoti Rahman has noted the Jama’at never enjoyed a mass constituency: at its peak, in 1991, it won 12 percent of the popular vote and 18 of 300 seats in parliament, falling in 2008 to 4 percent of the vote and just eight seats.
Yet, in a competitive political landscape, this constituency mattered—just as fundamentalists of all hues matter to establishmentarian political parties in India today.
Bangladesh’s citizens eventually forced the change. In the 2008 elections, the 1971 war crimes re-emerged as a key issue for large numbers of young Bangladeshis—in part spurred on by a surge of literature and activism around the crimes of that time. The youth movement eventually exploded into what Bangladeshis now call the Shahbag Awakening—a massive assertion of secular power.
Islamists in Bangladesh are now fighting back on the streets, with ever-growing violence. There are also worries the denial of political space to the Jama’at might push its cadre into terrorist groups. For example, the Jama’at Mujahideen Bangladesh, formed in 1998 with support from the Lashkar-e-Taiba, was led by former Jama’at leader Abdul Rehman. He successfully recruited radicalised cadre from the ranks of the Islami Chhatra Shibir, until he was eventually executed in 2007.
Bangladesh will likely face a long political struggle—but, more likely than not, the price is worth paying to secure secular, constitutional polity.
In 1994, India’s Supreme Court mandated secularism as a norm in national life—but governments and parties have appeased religious groups with impunity.
The Indian wing of the Jama’at-e-Islami asserts, in its constitution, that all men should “should refuse to acknowledge as valid all those allegiances which are not subservient to the allegiance of the One Allah and His Law”—presumably including the Indian state republic. That hasn’t stopped leaders like Human Resources Minister Shashi Tharoor from meeting its leadership.
Hindu nationalist political leaders, for their part, have courted organisations like the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, despite their expressly exclusionary religious agenda.
Fascinatingly, leaders of both the Jamaat and VHP condemned the Rajasthan government earlier this year, when it said it would no longer give cash awards to sportspersons linked to religious-chauvinist groups.
In South Asia today, there are two models of the future. There’s Pakistan, where leaders dragged God out on to the streets—with catastrophic consequences. Then, there’s Bangladesh, which is showing that it’s possible to step away from the abyss. For modern national states to function, Bangladesh understand, polities must be founded on law-based citizenship, not ties of religion or ethnicity.
India faces this choice, too. It doesn’t take a lot to figure out what the smart one is.
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Actually, My faith is fainting, and don't know if this is right or wrong. But I know I have to read and search a lot of things, and I want to think form everyone's perspective. You could guess my change if you see my last thread, it could be funny or serious.
Anyway, I wanted to say that our problems are created by Human, not God.
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Please state a name of a nation which is divine by creation? Though being poor and weak, Bangladesh did not aid any non Muslim countries attacking Muslim countries despite of huge foreign pressure. All of the countries off middle east broke off from Ottoman Empire. Through out the history Muslim countries attack and broke off from each other.The founder of Saudi Arab rebelled against the Muslim Caliph, do you have the balls to call Saudi Arab according to your language
of Jews & Cristian? The truth is you can never love Bangladesh because it broke off from your beloved Pakistan.
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India can really really learn something here from BD, they have started chemotherapy to eliminate these cancerous traitors from their country.
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I was kinda confused whether we can ban a party in a democracy and whether Jamaat's ban was justified or not but post#66 has proved beyond question that not only should the party be banned but anyone who support's a party whose view is incompatible with the constitution of the state should be stripped of their citizenship!
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The man in the post was a Shibir activist back in the day.
Jamaat had their reasons to lobby against Bangladesh's creation. They were at least pragmatic at the time as per their ideology.
Though, as with all Islamists ranging from Egypt to Bangladesh, they don't use their brain. And this is why Jamaat is in the position it is right now.
They can be described in one word as 'stupid'.
By the way, they can still conduct their political activities. It's just that they cannot participate in the general elections. Their supporters can simply vote for the 18-party opposition alliance. This move is hardly significant.
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I don't have a problem with their support for Pak during 71.....But now in 2013 they if still question the legitimacy of the state and think it is 'Baterdized' creation of malauns I think having them anywhere near the seats of power and policy making is a national threat!
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Well, if that'd be the case; they'd be a lost cause.
As I said, Islamists these days are generally idiotic and perhaps immature to the highest degree. They say whatever pops in their heads without thinking!
Though, I would say the same about those boneheads at Shahbag, along with the greedy corporate and media backers.
Try not to take that fella in post #66 too seriously. He was a Shibir activist back in the day though.
I'd say, this 'mist' of the Cold War needs to be lifted if the nation's politics is to move forward. There are folks on both sides who take advantage of this 'mist'. Be it in politics, media or corporate affairs.
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