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dog fighting is not possible any more. Infrared sensor is good enough to make sure no fight within 50km-70km.

flying low will not be helpful. AEW will see you even further if your back exposed. The best height for stealthy jets is around 20,000 feet, the temperature, cloud, air density, humidity helps.
Really?

How much vision would an X band illuminator provide near to the ground, where X band performance is the worst, against a small, slow target with 31db attenuation?

And how the IR sensor the size of ones of jet fighters can detect a cold, subsonic target? If it can fly slower than km/h 700, even long wave IR will have hard time getting enough contrast. It can fly even slower, at speeds when aerodynamic heating is less than aerodynamic cooling.
 
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Really?

How much vision would an X band illuminator provide near to the ground, where X band performance is the worst, against a small, slow target with 31db attenuation?

And how the IR sensor the size of ones of jet fighters can detect a cold, subsonic target? If it can fly slower than km/h 700, even long wave IR will have hard time getting enough contrast. It can fly even slower, at speeds when aerodynamic heating is less than aerodynamic cooling.
right now, none of the stealthy fighter nor bomber has 31db on the back. They all optimize front 30° to -30° .
Just take a look at the radar installation angle, it's upswept, around 15° to 20°. Not stealthy at all if your back exposed.
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The F-35's Northrop Grumman-built AN-APG-81 AESA radar is the biggest antenna on any airplane.
http://interactive.aviationtoday.co...the-trillion-dollar-fighter-finally-worth-it/


IR is developing very fast.
 
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Via @siegecrossbow
A recent notice posted by the Engine Design Department at Guiyang confirms that they are working on engines for naval fighters. This is indirect proof that an FC-31 variant will be the next generation naval fighter.

Most likely the engine in question is the 10 tonne, T/W 10 WS-19 turbofan.
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Someone please translate
Below is the relevant part of the translation.

A recent notice posted by the Engine Design Department at Guiyang confirms that they are working on engines for naval fighters. This is indirect proof that an FC-31 variant will be the next generation naval fighter.
 
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The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

2020-10-10 17:49:02

With the entry of the Shandong ship, the construction of the next generation of domestically-made aircraft carriers has become the focus of much attention, and the selection of stealth carrier-based aircraft has also attracted widespread attention. According to news from the aviation industry, the Navy’s fourth-generation aircraft is a fighter aircraft with a similar appearance to the FC-31. The evaluation given is “too advanced and not suitable for display.” In many people’s eyes, the selection of the Navy’s fourth-generation aircraft has been The dust settled. Public propaganda photos show that the test flight number of the Hai 4th generation may be "35001", and military fans call it "J-35". The aircraft is likely to complete its first flight in 2021.

The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!


However, the J-35 is controversial because it is derived from FC-31, and it is questioned that it has no advantage when facing the F-35 fighter. The correct choice should be the J-20H. On August 2, an article published in the South China Morning Post claimed that China’s stealth carrier-based aircraft should choose a more reliable platform, which requires a longer combat radius and development potential. The best choice is the J-20H.

The article pointed out that China’s next-generation carrier-based aircraft will obviously be produced on the basis of the J-20 and FC-31. Both fighters have been developed for many years, but the strength gap is not small. An article published by the J-20 chief Yang Wei in the journal "Acta Aeronautica" stated that the development of the J-20 was inspired by the American OODA cycle theory, which divides fighter capabilities into four cycle stages: observation-judgment-decision-attack , The stronger the fighter's ability in the four stages, the higher the combat strength. F-22 is a product based on OODA's cycle theory 1.0, while J-20 is a product of 2.0. The design concept should be a whole generation ahead. Yang Chuan pointed out that the improved J-20 has more advantages than the improved FC-31, which is mainly reflected in the supersonic maneuverability, ammunition capacity, and range.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

Some experts believe that it only takes 6 years for the United States to develop a stealth carrier-based aircraft and put it into mass production. The F-35 is also a product of OODA Cycle 2.0. It will take 10 years for China to develop a new carrier-based aircraft on the basis of the FC-31. In fact, it has been in a state of catching up with the United States and cannot surpass it. The F-35 is a single-engine medium-sized fighter with a maximum take-off weight of nearly 30 tons and a combat radius of 1,000 kilometers. Although the FC-31 is a dual-engine fighter, it is limited by its lack of engine capabilities. The current maximum take-off weight is only 26 tons, and the combat radius of the carrier-based aircraft cannot exceed 800 kilometers.
The maximum take-off weight of the J-20 is about 38 tons, and the length is more than 20 meters, which is only slightly smaller than the J-15. The advantage is that the combat power is far superior to that of the medium-sized fighters, but the disadvantage is that the long body of the aircraft will lead to fewer carrier-based aircraft deployments. The biggest advantage of FC-31 compared to J-20 is that it is 12 tons lighter and 3 meters shorter, which can make better use of aircraft carrier space. Military experts from Macau pointed out: “Based on China’s existing technology and production capabilities, FC-31 cannot surpass F-35 in terms of mobility and firepower. It should choose a more reliable platform with greater combat radius and development potential. A good choice is the J-20. As the J-20 is more mature, the development of carrier-based aircraft will be faster, and it will be able to overtake the F-35 in corners."
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

In fact, Australian military experts have a certain misunderstanding about the prospects of the J-35, and their judgment is still based on the FC-31. The real fourth-generation navy aircraft is a brand-new fighter. It will have comprehensive advantages over F-35. The prospects of the J-35 depend on the progress of the turbofan-19 engine, which has a thrust-to-weight ratio of more than 11, and the project has entered the high-altitude test flight stage, becoming China's first aero engine with the internationally leading level. The overall thrust of the J-35 equipped with the turbofan-19 will far exceed the F-35, with a maximum take-off and landing weight of 32 tons, and it will become an entry-level heavy fighter. The J-35 also has the advantage of being a late-comer. It will fully lead in radar, situational awareness, and electronic warfare equipment. Its ammunition, range, and maneuverability also surpass the F-35, and may even become the world's first "4S" compliant. Standard carrier aircraft.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

The biggest challenge of J-35 is actually progress. Since the test flight of the turbofan-19 engine will take about 6 years, the batch delivery around 2028 is considered fast, which determines that the turbofan-13 engine will still be used in the early stage. The early version of the J-35 is destined for maneuverability, range, and ammunition.It lags behind the F-35 in many aspects such as volume, and has been in an incomplete state for a long time like the current J-20.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

It is worth noting that the biggest advantage of the J-20's development of carrier-based aircraft is not only more powerful performance, but faster progress. Turbofan-15 is expected to be equipped in batches in three years. At that time, the J-20 will become the world's most powerful fourth-generation aircraft, and it will naturally be the strongest to be changed to a carrier-based aircraft. Due to the electromagnetic catapult adopted by China's next-generation aircraft carrier, there is no bottleneck for the take-off of the heavier J-20. Therefore, the J-20H should continue to be developed. In the short term, China can only develop the J-35 and J-15.
In the future, the combination of J-20H and J-35 can be used on aircraft carriers. The combination of the J-20H’s combat advantages and the number of J-35 deployments is the best s Choice.
 
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The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

2020-10-10 17:49:02

With the entry of the Shandong ship, the construction of the next generation of domestically-made aircraft carriers has become the focus of much attention, and the selection of stealth carrier-based aircraft has also attracted widespread attention. According to news from the aviation industry, the Navy’s fourth-generation aircraft is a fighter aircraft with a similar appearance to the FC-31. The evaluation given is “too advanced and not suitable for display.” In many people’s eyes, the selection of the Navy’s fourth-generation aircraft has been The dust settled. Public propaganda photos show that the test flight number of the Hai 4th generation may be "35001", and military fans call it "J-35". The aircraft is likely to complete its first flight in 2021.

The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!


However, the J-35 is controversial because it is derived from FC-31, and it is questioned that it has no advantage when facing the F-35 fighter. The correct choice should be the J-20H. On August 2, an article published in the South China Morning Post claimed that China’s stealth carrier-based aircraft should choose a more reliable platform, which requires a longer combat radius and development potential. The best choice is the J-20H.

The article pointed out that China’s next-generation carrier-based aircraft will obviously be produced on the basis of the J-20 and FC-31. Both fighters have been developed for many years, but the strength gap is not small. An article published by the J-20 chief Yang Wei in the journal "Acta Aeronautica" stated that the development of the J-20 was inspired by the American OODA cycle theory, which divides fighter capabilities into four cycle stages: observation-judgment-decision-attack , The stronger the fighter's ability in the four stages, the higher the combat strength. F-22 is a product based on OODA's cycle theory 1.0, while J-20 is a product of 2.0. The design concept should be a whole generation ahead. Yang Chuan pointed out that the improved J-20 has more advantages than the improved FC-31, which is mainly reflected in the supersonic maneuverability, ammunition capacity, and range.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

Some experts believe that it only takes 6 years for the United States to develop a stealth carrier-based aircraft and put it into mass production. The F-35 is also a product of OODA Cycle 2.0. It will take 10 years for China to develop a new carrier-based aircraft on the basis of the FC-31. In fact, it has been in a state of catching up with the United States and cannot surpass it. The F-35 is a single-engine medium-sized fighter with a maximum take-off weight of nearly 30 tons and a combat radius of 1,000 kilometers. Although the FC-31 is a dual-engine fighter, it is limited by its lack of engine capabilities. The current maximum take-off weight is only 26 tons, and the combat radius of the carrier-based aircraft cannot exceed 800 kilometers.
The maximum take-off weight of the J-20 is about 38 tons, and the length is more than 20 meters, which is only slightly smaller than the J-15. The advantage is that the combat power is far superior to that of the medium-sized fighters, but the disadvantage is that the long body of the aircraft will lead to fewer carrier-based aircraft deployments. The biggest advantage of FC-31 compared to J-20 is that it is 12 tons lighter and 3 meters shorter, which can make better use of aircraft carrier space. Military experts from Macau pointed out: “Based on China’s existing technology and production capabilities, FC-31 cannot surpass F-35 in terms of mobility and firepower. It should choose a more reliable platform with greater combat radius and development potential. A good choice is the J-20. As the J-20 is more mature, the development of carrier-based aircraft will be faster, and it will be able to overtake the F-35 in corners."
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

In fact, Australian military experts have a certain misunderstanding about the prospects of the J-35, and their judgment is still based on the FC-31. The real fourth-generation navy aircraft is a brand-new fighter. It will have comprehensive advantages over F-35. The prospects of the J-35 depend on the progress of the turbofan-19 engine, which has a thrust-to-weight ratio of more than 11, and the project has entered the high-altitude test flight stage, becoming China's first aero engine with the internationally leading level. The overall thrust of the J-35 equipped with the turbofan-19 will far exceed the F-35, with a maximum take-off and landing weight of 32 tons, and it will become an entry-level heavy fighter. The J-35 also has the advantage of being a late-comer. It will fully lead in radar, situational awareness, and electronic warfare equipment. Its ammunition, range, and maneuverability also surpass the F-35, and may even become the world's first "4S" compliant. Standard carrier aircraft.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

The biggest challenge of J-35 is actually progress. Since the test flight of the turbofan-19 engine will take about 6 years, the batch delivery around 2028 is considered fast, which determines that the turbofan-13 engine will still be used in the early stage. The early version of the J-35 is destined for maneuverability, range, and ammunition.It lags behind the F-35 in many aspects such as volume, and has been in an incomplete state for a long time like the current J-20.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

It is worth noting that the biggest advantage of the J-20's development of carrier-based aircraft is not only more powerful performance, but faster progress. Turbofan-15 is expected to be equipped in batches in three years. At that time, the J-20 will become the world's most powerful fourth-generation aircraft, and it will naturally be the strongest to be changed to a carrier-based aircraft. Due to the electromagnetic catapult adopted by China's next-generation aircraft carrier, there is no bottleneck for the take-off of the heavier J-20. Therefore, the J-20H should continue to be developed. In the short term, China can only develop the J-35 and J-15.
In the future, the combination of J-20H and J-35 can be used on aircraft carriers. The combination of the J-20H’s combat advantages and the number of J-35 deployments is the best s Choice.


Again, could you please give in these reports, who wrote them? Otherwise a report based on Minnie Chan's old - aka from August - dated BS-report is truly not the best way to gain credibility! :crazy:
 
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hi, hong kong;
it sounds like another bad speculations from western media against our weapons
plz ignore such western speculative articles about chinese weapons;
they're really irritating and confusing us :angry::angry::angry:
 
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hi, hong kong;
it sounds like another bad speculations from western media against our weapons
plz ignore such western speculative articles about chinese weapons;
they're really irritating and confusing us :angry::angry::angry:


Not sure why you once again twist words and accuse the Western media for "another bad speculations ... against our weapons", when the report itself mentiones it is based on the SCMP and we all know, who's the main driver of such stupid BS? Minnie Chan ... and not the Western media.

As such your biting reflex against stupid comments might be justified but given your bias it once again is aimed against the wrong target, which should be your own media.
 
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Not sure why you once again twist words and accuse the Western media for "another bad speculations ... against our weapons", when the report itself mentiones it is based on the SCMP and we all know, who's the main driver of such stupid BS? Minnie Chan ... and not the Western media.
As such your biting reflex against stupid comments might be justified but given your bias it once again is aimed against the wrong target, which should be your own media.
hi, deino
first of all, I replied to the post by grandy; saying better to ignore western baseless claims against chinese weapons; South China Morning Post (SCMP) is western friendly media based on hong kong; honestly, it's NOT chinese media; western and western friendly media constantly keep raising baseless questions against chinese weapons no matter how those are; so their claims are far more politically motivated than technically itself; and they really distract/irritate/waste what this forum is doing; as I said before, this forum should become place for exchange of strong evidence among technique mania (not for repeated discussion by western baseless claims)
 
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The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

2020-10-10 17:49:02

With the entry of the Shandong ship, the construction of the next generation of domestically-made aircraft carriers has become the focus of much attention, and the selection of stealth carrier-based aircraft has also attracted widespread attention. According to news from the aviation industry, the Navy’s fourth-generation aircraft is a fighter aircraft with a similar appearance to the FC-31. The evaluation given is “too advanced and not suitable for display.” In many people’s eyes, the selection of the Navy’s fourth-generation aircraft has been The dust settled. Public propaganda photos show that the test flight number of the Hai 4th generation may be "35001", and military fans call it "J-35". The aircraft is likely to complete its first flight in 2021.

The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!


However, the J-35 is controversial because it is derived from FC-31, and it is questioned that it has no advantage when facing the F-35 fighter. The correct choice should be the J-20H. On August 2, an article published in the South China Morning Post claimed that China’s stealth carrier-based aircraft should choose a more reliable platform, which requires a longer combat radius and development potential. The best choice is the J-20H.

The article pointed out that China’s next-generation carrier-based aircraft will obviously be produced on the basis of the J-20 and FC-31. Both fighters have been developed for many years, but the strength gap is not small. An article published by the J-20 chief Yang Wei in the journal "Acta Aeronautica" stated that the development of the J-20 was inspired by the American OODA cycle theory, which divides fighter capabilities into four cycle stages: observation-judgment-decision-attack , The stronger the fighter's ability in the four stages, the higher the combat strength. F-22 is a product based on OODA's cycle theory 1.0, while J-20 is a product of 2.0. The design concept should be a whole generation ahead. Yang Chuan pointed out that the improved J-20 has more advantages than the improved FC-31, which is mainly reflected in the supersonic maneuverability, ammunition capacity, and range.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

Some experts believe that it only takes 6 years for the United States to develop a stealth carrier-based aircraft and put it into mass production. The F-35 is also a product of OODA Cycle 2.0. It will take 10 years for China to develop a new carrier-based aircraft on the basis of the FC-31. In fact, it has been in a state of catching up with the United States and cannot surpass it. The F-35 is a single-engine medium-sized fighter with a maximum take-off weight of nearly 30 tons and a combat radius of 1,000 kilometers. Although the FC-31 is a dual-engine fighter, it is limited by its lack of engine capabilities. The current maximum take-off weight is only 26 tons, and the combat radius of the carrier-based aircraft cannot exceed 800 kilometers.
The maximum take-off weight of the J-20 is about 38 tons, and the length is more than 20 meters, which is only slightly smaller than the J-15. The advantage is that the combat power is far superior to that of the medium-sized fighters, but the disadvantage is that the long body of the aircraft will lead to fewer carrier-based aircraft deployments. The biggest advantage of FC-31 compared to J-20 is that it is 12 tons lighter and 3 meters shorter, which can make better use of aircraft carrier space. Military experts from Macau pointed out: “Based on China’s existing technology and production capabilities, FC-31 cannot surpass F-35 in terms of mobility and firepower. It should choose a more reliable platform with greater combat radius and development potential. A good choice is the J-20. As the J-20 is more mature, the development of carrier-based aircraft will be faster, and it will be able to overtake the F-35 in corners."
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

In fact, Australian military experts have a certain misunderstanding about the prospects of the J-35, and their judgment is still based on the FC-31. The real fourth-generation navy aircraft is a brand-new fighter. It will have comprehensive advantages over F-35. The prospects of the J-35 depend on the progress of the turbofan-19 engine, which has a thrust-to-weight ratio of more than 11, and the project has entered the high-altitude test flight stage, becoming China's first aero engine with the internationally leading level. The overall thrust of the J-35 equipped with the turbofan-19 will far exceed the F-35, with a maximum take-off and landing weight of 32 tons, and it will become an entry-level heavy fighter. The J-35 also has the advantage of being a late-comer. It will fully lead in radar, situational awareness, and electronic warfare equipment. Its ammunition, range, and maneuverability also surpass the F-35, and may even become the world's first "4S" compliant. Standard carrier aircraft.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

The biggest challenge of J-35 is actually progress. Since the test flight of the turbofan-19 engine will take about 6 years, the batch delivery around 2028 is considered fast, which determines that the turbofan-13 engine will still be used in the early stage. The early version of the J-35 is destined for maneuverability, range, and ammunition.It lags behind the F-35 in many aspects such as volume, and has been in an incomplete state for a long time like the current J-20.
The performance of the Chinese stealth carrier-based aircraft J-35 is not good? Expert: J-20 is the best choice!

It is worth noting that the biggest advantage of the J-20's development of carrier-based aircraft is not only more powerful performance, but faster progress. Turbofan-15 is expected to be equipped in batches in three years. At that time, the J-20 will become the world's most powerful fourth-generation aircraft, and it will naturally be the strongest to be changed to a carrier-based aircraft. Due to the electromagnetic catapult adopted by China's next-generation aircraft carrier, there is no bottleneck for the take-off of the heavier J-20. Therefore, the J-20H should continue to be developed. In the short term, China can only develop the J-35 and J-15.
In the future, the combination of J-20H and J-35 can be used on aircraft carriers. The combination of the J-20H’s combat advantages and the number of J-35 deployments is the best s Choice.

Who is that expert? We don't even know anything about J-35, and this "expert" has decided that J-35 is a failed design.
 
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Who is that expert? We don't even know anything about J-35, and this "expert" has decided that J-35 is a failed design.
The word "expert" is carelessly thrown around in Chinese military articles these days ... you would be surprised that people think Minnie Chan is even an expert.
 
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hi, deino
first of all, I replied to the post by grandy; saying better to ignore western baseless claims against chinese weapons; South China Morning Post (SCMP) is western friendly media based on hong kong; honestly, it's NOT chinese media; western and western friendly media constantly keep raising baseless questions against chinese weapons no matter how those are; so their claims are far more politically motivated than technically itself; and they really distract/irritate/waste what this forum is doing; as I said before, this forum should become place for exchange of strong evidence among technique mania (not for repeated discussion by western baseless claims)


Thanks for your kind reply, but again I must contradict.
I know there are indeed several most stupid and most often plain politically biased reports always trying to portray anything from China as either stolen of inferior, but you simply must ignore these in the same way I try to ignore such crappy reports from Minnie Chan. Therefore to say this report is a Western one when it is clearly based on the SCMP and then to label the SCMP as a "western" magazine is a lame argument.

Who is that expert? We don't even know anything about J-35, and this "expert" has decided that J-35 is a failed design.

IMO it is @Grandy himself, or at least he could explain since he is the only one who posts this strange site.
 
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Different person may have different vision and interpretassion, its normal, not stranged. From now its different from years before, more archivedment breakthroughs will reveil in coming years.
May be better like Dr. Carlo Cop (Australian), he can make more long article or long anallysis article rather than 1 or 2 picture and couple words only.
 
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Different person may have different vision and interpretassion, its normal, not stranged. From now its different from years before, more archivedment will unveil in coming years.
May be better like Dr. Carlo Cop (Australian), he can make more long article or long anallysis article rather than 1 or 2 picture and couple words only.


So these reports are written by you?

That alone is not an issue, since indeed we can have different opinions, but it is always nice to know with whom to discuss on what basis.
 
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