J-11B vs Su-30MKI

[SBD-3]

nope,you wrong.J11B is designed based on su-27 but its function better than su-30.

The functionality of J-11B apparently seems more closer a madian of F-15C and F-15E (for roles) i.e. a Multirole fighter which can be used in both MR and AS roles.This is differntiation of J-11B from SU-27, which is a true ASF. SU-30 is a strike fighter, like PLAAF SU-30MKKs were very much designed for strike deliveries. The same is with the MKI which is a stike fighter but cant play all the roles alone (a major reason behind IAF going for MMRCA). So infact its the J-11BS which should be compared with MKI, not the J-11B.

 

[unicorn148]

The functionality of J-11B apparently seems more closer a madian of F-15C and F-15E (for roles) i.e. a Multirole fighter which can be used in both MR and AS roles.This is differntiation of J-11B from SU-27, which is a true ASF. SU-30 is a strike fighter, like PLAAF SU-30MKKs were very much designed for strike deliveries. The same is with the MKI which is a stike fighter but cant play all the roles alone (a major reason behind IAF going for MMRCA). So infact its the J-11BS which should be compared with MKI, not the J-11B.

Can you tell me what roles the Su30MKI cant perform alone

 

[rcrmj]

"made in china" means no guarantee
no chinese pilot like to lose his life for cheap Chinese fighters.

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lol you are searching on internet for very long, finally find something that you can mentalmasturbated on``well done! Can you contribute anything to this defence forum apart from being a clown trolling and flaming everywhere it involves with Pak and China?

 

[applesauce]

Both J11 & SU30MKI are far superior planes to anything in most mid tech asian air forces

Brute power with great weapons load and multi role capability.

Great news for Both PLAAF & IAF.

The rest can look with ENVY

thats only because they cant afford it, russians will sell MKI(or version of it) to just about anyone(not having a conflict of interest with them that is)

 

[CardSharp]

@belowfreezing,

well said.
Infact in the number game IAF is far behind PLAAF.
This was a remark made by our IAF Chief.

Indians dont live is Fools Paradise neglecting the realities.
This surely will help us to prepare for the unprepared.

You missed his point. He is not implying that the IAF is qualitative better, lol, just that an air forces effectiveness comes from equipment, doctrine, and training. The J-11B isn't the only plane the PLAAF fields and it is not the only plane the Chinese aviation will come up with in the next few years.

Also let's not forget the very important fact, that the J-11B is indigenous and India can't even repair the Su-30's engines at home, they have to ship the broken ones to Russia and in return be shipped a new engine.

What this means in terms of replacing war time losses should be fairly clear.

 

[CardSharp]

nope,you wrong.J11B is designed based on su-27 but its function better than su-30.

They are both built on the same airframe.

 

[unicorn148]

You missed his point. He is not implying that the IAF is qualitative better, lol, just that an air forces effectiveness comes from equipment, doctrine, and training. The J-11B isn't the only plane the PLAAF fields and it is not the only plane the Chinese aviation will come up with in the next few years.

Also let's not forget the very important fact, that the J-11B is indigenous and India can't even repair the Su-30's engines at home, they have to ship the broken ones to Russia and in return be shipped a new engine.

What this means in terms of replacing war time losses should be fairly clear.

NO India has no such problem because the AL-31 Engines are manufactured in India only so we can repair them on our own.........

 

[CardSharp]

NO India has no such problem because the AL-31 Engines are manufactured in India only so we can repair them on our own.........

I'll take the words of a pilot over yours thanks.

 

[Pakchina]

SU 30MKI includes Israel avionics.

 

[blackops]

SU 30MKI includes Israel avionics.

so what is wrong with that

 

[blackops]

I'll take the words of a pilot over yours thanks.

yes we can repair them when we want to sir as they are made by hal
as the statement states bellow
The Al-31FP is built in India by HAL at the Koraput facility under a deep technology transfer agreement.

 

[SBD-3]

Can you tell me what roles the Su30MKI cant perform alone

Airsuperiority and Strike.

 

[SBD-3]

thats only because they cant afford it, russians will sell MKI(or version of it) to just about anyone(not having a conflict of interest with them that is)

Infact, Russian have been offering their home grown, more advanced SU-35 to the new customers.

 

[S10]

Before you start comparing J-11B to Su-30MK, know there are significant differences between their intended functions. Su-30MK was imported from Russia for the Chinese navy, not air force, as a maritime strike platform along with JH-7A. It is a tandem seat fighter-bomber with the primary role of engaging surface targets. J-11B on the other hand, is a single seat A/C designed for air superiority. It serves with the air force, NOT navy. With this in mind, here are the differences:

- Su-30MK has a strengthened frame to carry extra air-to-ground payload compared to J-11B, making it a bit heavier.
- J-11B uses WS-10A engines, while Su-30MK uses Russian AL-31F engines
- A holographic HUD and 3 MFDs were installed on the J-11B as upgrade.
- New radar was installed on the J-11B, with plans to install AESA later on.
- J-11B is able to use PL-12 (SD-10) and PL-9, where Su-30MK requires imported R-77 and R-73.

I'm not going to make a comparison with Su-30MKI since it will only turn into a pissing contest.

 

[below_freezing]

Would the 2 pilot requirement of the Su-30 MKI be a problem in a real war? It effectively takes up 2 planes (pilots) per 1 plane, and we all know 1 thing: planes can be replaced in days, pilots can't.