J-11B vs Su-30MKI

[Chanakyaa]

@belowfreezing,

well said.
Infact in the number game IAF is far behind PLAAF.
This was a remark made by our IAF Chief.

Indians dont live is Fools Paradise neglecting the realities.
This surely will help us to prepare for the unprepared.

 

[graphican]

Today almost 40% of Expenditure is made on Avinoics and Advanced Systems like Radars etc.
That is precisely the Advantage MKI Has over J11B , OR F16 BLK 52 has over Blk 15 !

MKI Main Advantages ::

1. Has Best PESA Radar , Range 300+ KM
2. Has Israeli Jammers
3. Has Western Avionics
4. Has Indian Mission Computers
5. Has 3D TVC and Canards , is Superbly Manuverble
6. Has Capability to Fire Brahmos and Can be used as a First Strike Weapon in Nuclear Stage.

Its Almost Customised Su 35 for India as Wiki Reports.
So Compare a Su 35 and Su 27 ( Copied version as we all Know ) , You get the Picture.

Neighbors Envy=Owners pride !!

I can spend whole day laughing at that. Wait for the day when MKI will be called a "customized" T-50 for India. Just like some living being, MKI is "growing" on its capabilities with every passing day.

J-11B is called J-11B because its not the "copy" as you put it. So where Su-30MKI is NOT Su-35 in reality, J-11B is NOT Su-27. SU-30MKI might have an advantage over original Su-30 because of using foreign (Israeli) and probably more developed avionics, you can expect the same for China which have multi layers of relationship with same country you guys like to brag about.

 

[hal-fgfa]

I can spend whole day laughing at that. Wait for the day when MKI will be called a "customized" T-50 for India. Just like some living being, MKI is "growing" on its capabilities with every passing day.

if u finish ur smiles session so please think what he say .. he say that
The Indian-exported Su-30MKI variant is said to retain some of the reported Su-35 systems and ability he is not talking about su - 35bm .... please first read care fully

Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker) - History, Specifications and Pictures - Military Aircraft

Sukhoi Su-30MKI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kinetic]

Chinese Sukhoi versions has good air-to-ground capabilities while Indian MKI is multi-role air dominance fighter.

Now comparing both fighters.....

Radars: MKI has PESA while Chinese versions have general PD radars.
Engines: MKI has TVC while Chinese version doesn't.
Avionics, Jammars, IRST and other systems: MKI has combination of Indian, Russian, Israeli, French, British and South African systems while Chinese versions has only Russian and Chinese.

 

[Guest]

if F-15s and F-16s can out-performed SU-30MKI's, then, everything is possible.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...e-exercise-lecture-f-15-16-v-s-su-30-mki.html

 

[Speeder 2]

Now comparing both fighters.....

Radars: MKI has PESA while Chinese versions have general PD radars.
.

you don't know for sure what kind of radar J11B eventurally has.

 

[KS]

Ans equlally surely no one knows the exact range or the full power of the radars on MKI either.
Even during the RED FLAG the Indian pilots were not allowed to switch on the full power of their radars.


And someone saying that F-16 or F-15 outperforming MKI is pure Bullshyt.
Even RAF Typhoon pilots felt that this plane was better or on par to theirs.

The only two planes in service that could possibly defeat a MKI is the Raptor and the F-15 Silent eagle.

Ofcourse any body could say that any plane can shoot down other in any given day..but going according to the reputation and specification i say that is the only possibility.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ans equlally surely no one knows the exact range or the full power of the radars on MKI either.
Even during the RED FLAG the Indian pilots were not allowed to switch on the full power of their radars.


And someone saying that F-16 or F-15 outperforming MKI is pure Bullshyt.
Even RAF Typhoon pilots felt that this plane was better or on par to theirs.

The only two planes in service that could possibly defeat a MKI is the Raptor and the F-15 Silent eagle.

Ofcourse any body could say that any plane can shoot down other in any given day..but going according to the reputation and specification i say that is the only possibility.

 

[graphican]

if u finish ur smiles session so please think what he say .. he say that
The Indian-exported Su-30MKI variant is said to retain some of the reported Su-35 systems and ability he is not talking about su - 35bm .... please first read care fully

Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E / Super Flanker) - History, Specifications and Pictures - Military Aircraft

Sukhoi Su-30MKI - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HAL FGFA,

Read this line and see how Authentic it is in itself. "said to retain" and "reported".. any thing authentic my friend?. Second, variant is said to retain some of the reported Su-35 systems Some of means "a part of", which part and what %age of it? Not sure? and this "a part of" functionality is based on "said to be based on reported features" . Now even if we believe this is authentic (which we of cours don't) how would a SU-30MKI that retains "some of" Su-35's features become a customized Su-35 for India? Got some bells tingling in mind?

Buddy you got to take some hot coffee and got to get out of your "fan boy mode" to realize what are you writing! Now if you don't mind, I wana laugh some more..

 

[Desertfalcon]

if F-15s and F-16s can out-performed SU-30MKI's, then, everything is possible.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...e-exercise-lecture-f-15-16-v-s-su-30-mki.html

You know, to be fair to the Indians, if anyone actually bothers to carefully go through the Red Flag after action reports on this, the IAF participants in Red-Flag were given high praise overall. You have to be among the best just to get invited to Red Flag and most newcomers have lots of problems, no matter what country they are from.

The IAF were on a learning curve at Red Flag and were the first to bring the Su-30 there so it had it's own adjustment problems, but her pilots and ground crews were thought to be highly professional and proficient at their jobs by everyone there.

 

[below_freezing]

Chinese Sukhoi versions has good air-to-ground capabilities while Indian MKI is multi-role air dominance fighter.

Now comparing both fighters.....

Radars: MKI has PESA while Chinese versions have general PD radars.
Engines: MKI has TVC while Chinese version doesn't.
Avionics, Jammars, IRST and other systems: MKI has combination of Indian, Russian, Israeli, French, British and South African systems while Chinese versions has only Russian and Chinese.

To improve logistics we ripped out all Russian systems for the J-11B and replaced it with our own. this way, maintainance is easier.

This is an often overlooked fact, a certain ground crew member from USAF would be glad to educate us.

 

[SomeGuy]

i have one serious question did Sukhoi 30mkk have bars

The Bars radar was offered to China but the chinese declined.
I think the official reason was that it was too heavy and installing it would mean that the MKK/MKK2's would have to have Canards fitted.

Chinese Sukhoi versions has good air-to-ground capabilities while Indian MKI is multi-role air dominance fighter.

Now comparing both fighters.....

Radars: MKI has PESA while Chinese versions have general PD radars.
Engines: MKI has TVC while Chinese version doesn't.
Avionics, Jammars, IRST and other systems: MKI has combination of Indian, Russian, Israeli, French, British and South African systems while Chinese versions has only Russian and Chinese.

I was under the impression that the J-11B (and J-10B) was a testbed for technologies to be incorporated into the 5th gen fighter - that would probably mean that the avionics etc going into the J-11B would be quite advanced.

That could probably mean that J11B has AESA radar.

As for TVC, true the russian AL31F engines don't have TVC but the WS-10B (a thrust vectoring version of WS-10) is undergoing testing and could be installed if TVC is required.

 

[amalakas]

During the Red Flag exercise, the indian pilots where too eager to demonstrate their post-stall maneuvers, and apparently paid no attention to the way the tactical side of the exercise was unfolding. Post-stall maneuvering and cobra's are part of the airplane's abilities not the sum of them. The indian pliots apparently thought that just because you can stand still in mid air with your plane, the opponent will not fire a simulated missile up your tailpipe. This was not the case and the MKIs didn't do so well in the that exercise.

That however is not a fault of the plane, it's a fault of the training.

The J-11B has problems .. let's wait and see if they will be sorted out.

 

[KS]

Oooops sorry......

Forgot another place that could do it.......JF-17..

 

[SomeGuy]

Ans equlally surely no one knows the exact range or the full power of the radars on MKI either.
Even during the RED FLAG the Indian pilots were not allowed to switch on the full power of their radars.


And someone saying that F-16 or F-15 outperforming MKI is pure Bullshyt.
Even RAF Typhoon pilots felt that this plane was better or on par to theirs.

NO, the Typhoon pilots only said that the MKI had superior manoeuvering.

This is important because the Indra Dhanush exercise was to simulate close air combat with guns only - this is where manoeuverability is important.

MKI fanboys like yourself then take this to mean that the MKI on the whole is a better plane - this is simply not true (see below).

The only two planes in service that could possibly defeat a MKI is the Raptor and the F-15 Silent eagle.

The fact is in a real fight, the Typhoon with its small RCS, supercruise ability, AESA and longer range Meteor ramjet BVRAAMs would greatly have the edge over MKI.