J-10 might not needed as they don't add anything to PAF's capability

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J16 has EW version, more range and maneuvour than JH7 EW version. We produce bolts to engine of J16, why we need to look Rusky's face. I've been enough looking at other's face in my life.

The most disaster part of PAF is that I doesn't have deep strike capability. Means it can't fight back, it only defense. Be it JH7b or J16, it can give a punch. If PAF only stick to its indulgence on F16 and doesn't wanna change its doctrine according to realistic requirement , it will suffer great loss in the future. Foreseen is important. If you can't hurt your enemy, means you don't have enough deterrence. JH7b or J16 carrying YJ12 or Yj100 can make your enemy pea in their pants , F16 can't carry such big scale ASM. PAF need to seriously considering play something big!

 

[Mentee]

The mentality of "Fanboys" !
Our 250 JF 17 will kill all of IAF's Tejas(250+) , Mig 29 , Mirage 2K total almost over 450 Advance birds .
Our 125 F16 will kill all 500+ of SU30s (with upgraded kit of SU35) No issue for F16 its just like killing a bee .
Our 100+ F31 will kill all 150+ Rafale and 100+ Pak-FA , lol don't you know the power of F31
And IAF's pilots don't know how to fly , they don't have any tactics and there moral is sh!t ...
Best of luck with that and keep it UP Boys

Well I can only pray for them lol

Lord save the queen ,chacha g

 

[帅的一匹]

Now IAF is very ambitious under Modi government. Although it can't fully produce indigenous fighter until yet, still PAF need to seriously deal with its adversary in the long term. China is very cautious about IAF induction Rafale, it will help accelerate the induction of J20. all the world is deliver help to arm our potential rival, we have to bring out he best.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The mentality of "Fanboys" !
Our 250 JF 17 will kill all of IAF's Tejas(250+) , Mig 29 , Mirage 2K total almost over 450 Advance birds .
Our 125 F16 will kill all 500+ of SU30s (with upgraded kit of SU35) No issue for F16 its just like killing a bee .
Our 100+ F31 will kill all 150+ Rafale and 100+ Pak-FA , lol don't you know the power of F31
And IAF's pilots don't know how to fly , they don't have any tactics and there moral is sh!t ...
Best of luck with that and keep it UP Boys

Well I can only pray for them lol

• Investment in J-31 is ideal for long term goals for Tier 1, investment program (Joint Venture with China) ($270 Million Downpayment)

• Purchase of 40 Sukhoi-35 would be ok for Tier 1 Immediate gaps (Future budget)

• Purchase of 40 Units JH-7 / J10C /Gripen would be ideal for Tier 2 Balance (Future budget)

• Spare needs could be considered with retiring F16 A/B or Mirage 2000 or retiring F-18

 

[General General]

I don't see the frustration about JF-17 being short-legged. It has a combat radius of around 800km, more so with external tanks and in-flight refuelling. Source
The doctrine of the PAF is defence, with the option of deep strike, which this plane can do theoretically. For example, the distance from Karachi to Mumbai (some members have expressed this Indian city to be the ideal target) is about 850 km. With just about any ATG missile, or even bombs, the JF-17 can attack Mumbai without even coming close to it. Based on numbers alone, the JF-17 can even attack New Delhi after taking off from Karachi.
The J10 is definitely a better plane than the JF-17, and the J10B will also be better than its Block 3, however, is it that much better that it justifies spending billions to set up infrastructure, training pilots and engineers, studying and forming strategies and tactics for training purposes.
The only purpose that can justify spending so much capital is if a new platform brings something new to the table. Like a fifth generation fighter. J10 and JF-17 are both fourth generation planes and do the same thing, albeit one slightly better than the other.

 

[smol]

Man where is FC31 , when and how many we will have them, J10 was not rejected because of FC31 , Its because of our Love for F16 and some Foolish hoops from JF17,

Do you seriously believe it will be ok to have 250 odd JF17 and only 150 (Max) J31 with 100 old F16 is enough for IAF or If I say defensive force .
My brother if war happen in 2025 IAF's SU30(with SU35 upgrade kit) will be more then enough for whole PAF . it will be like 500 Su 30(as IAF plains) vs 495 or 500 PAF's(250JF17 , 125 J31 and 120 F16) whole fleet.
But if you go for J10 we can easily adopt this bird in 5years Max, and 200s of them will surly help us to counter IAF's numbers , J10s are not 3rd grad birds , With Pakistani Upgrades they will be as good as F16V.
thank you

I say, Sir, aren't you being overly optimistic about India's capabilities? I am Indian myself yet quite sceptical about her military capabilities.

In any case, there isn't any confirmation that up to 500 Su-30MKIs will be acquired. As of now, the contract with Russia provides for 272 birds, with an option to add 40 more later.

And really: I do not see a full war of attrition erupting between India and Pakistan anytime soon.

Best,
smol

 

[CHACHA"G"]

I say, Sir, aren't you being overly optimistic about India's capabilities? I am Indian myself yet quite sceptical about her military capabilities.

In any case, there isn't any confirmation that up to 500 Su-30MKIs will be acquired. As of now, the contract with Russia provides for 272 birds, with an option to add 40 more later.

And really: I do not see a full war of attrition erupting between India and Pakistan anytime soon.

Best,
smol

Sir
Main Rule of War is never under estimate your enemy , and IAF is a modern force and have many western allies to help Her,
And now the numbers , Yes its only a plan , but my guess is IAF will have minimum 400 to 500 su30 with SU35 upgrade kit and new Radar , That upgrade allow SU30 to stay in Modern warfare and also increase its life like up to 2050 to 2060,
Keep in mind it will take almost 10 years to upgrade and increase numbers .
IAF knows SU30 very well and they almost master this bird , with upgrade it will be advance 4.5++ bird only one step down from 5th Gen Birds . This bird will be there only Air Superiority Bird (interceptor Roll)
And I am also talking if WAR happen in 2025 or later .
Thank you

 

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Firstly, Pakistan has JF17 thunder program running which was started keeping in view the Pakistan’s requirement. We have a smooth program running to fulfill our requirements.

Secondly, Pakistan have many alot of years experience on f16 which has proved its worthiness. Though, sometimes troubling, it has been serving us and will serve us in future adequately. The threat of sanctions do create trouble but we have a plan in place for such times.

Thirdly, J-10 is an impressive aircraft which if inducted will not be bad or negative for us, but its induction is not worth the effort when we have better options available. We have SU35 which is a great aircraft on the table along with 5th gen options. I would support SU35 over j10 anytime. Going for SU35 iand not for j10 is quite understandable.

J 10 will surely increase our capabilities but we would need to invest alot of time,money, our men for this product.

You might have your reasons to support its induction, but I will be surprised if we introduce it in our inventory.


Lastly,If we had to induct J10, we might better not had started the jf17 program.

F16 has few reservations but China can not match with an equivalent.
@Manticore @Windjammer

 

[MastanKhan]

200 J10c cost 10 billions USD, too much for PAF.

It's not late if PAF go for J10c now, it's already a mature platform than 10 years ago.i think 4 to 5 squadrons is fine.

My Man,

The J10 purchase was sabotaged by the paf---because they wanted to sell the JF17 to keep future jobs for themselves after retirement.

Firstly, Pakistan has JF17 thunder program running which was started keeping in view the Pakistan’s requirement. We have a smooth program running to fulfill our requirements.

Secondly, Pakistan have many alot of years experience on f16 which has proved its worthiness. Though, sometimes troubling, it has been serving us and will serve us in future adequately. The threat of sanctions do create trouble but we have a plan in place for such times.

Thirdly, J-10 is an impressive aircraft which if inducted will not be bad or negative for us, but its induction is not worth the effort when we have better options available. We have SU35 which is a great aircraft on the table along with 5th gen options. I would support SU35 over j10 anytime. Going for SU35 iand not for j10 is quite understandable.

J 10 will surely increase our capabilities but we would need to invest alot of time,money, our men for this product.

You might have your reasons to support its induction, but I will be surprised if we introduce it in our inventory.


Lastly,If we had to induct J10, we might better not had started the jf17 program.

F16 has few reservations but China can not match with an equivalent.
@Manticore @Windjammer

Sir,

The thunder JF17 program is running because the paf higher ups wanted to mint money after they retired,

This was a retirement package deal----. It is a great aircraft---but does not match the J10C---.

Now most brag that it has everyuthing that the J10C has except for aesa---well guess what--it also has pretty much everything that the F16 has---but it is still not an F16---.

I don't see the frustration about JF-17 being short-legged. It has a combat radius of around 800km, more so with external tanks and in-flight refuelling. Source
The doctrine of the PAF is defence, with the option of deep strike, which this plane can do theoretically. For example, the distance from Karachi to Mumbai (some members have expressed this Indian city to be the ideal target) is about 850 km. With just about any ATG missile, or even bombs, the JF-17 can attack Mumbai without even coming close to it. Based on numbers alone, the JF-17 can even attack New Delhi after taking off from Karachi.
The J10 is definitely a better plane than the JF-17, and the J10B will also be better than its Block 3, however, is it that much better that it justifies spending billions to set up infrastructure, training pilots and engineers, studying and forming strategies and tactics for training purposes.
The only purpose that can justify spending so much capital is if a new platform brings something new to the table. Like a fifth generation fighter. J10 and JF-17 are both fourth generation planes and do the same thing, albeit one slightly better than the other.

Hi,

Thank you for your input----that straight line flight is perilous----. Plus a limited amount of weapons load---.

That is where an aircraft like the JH7B or an SU34 is extremely important----they can carry heavy standoff weapons---launch them from standoff distances and dash off---and due to their long legs---they don't need to take a direct flight.

 

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My Man,

The J10 purchase was sabotaged by the paf---because they wanted to sell the JF17 to keep future jobs for themselves after retirement.




Sir,

The thunder JF17 program is running because the paf higher ups wanted to mint money after they retired,

This was a retirement package deal----. It is a great aircraft---but does not match the J10C---.

Now most brag that it has everyuthing that the J10C has except for aesa---well guess what--it also has pretty much everything that the F16 has---but it is still not an F16---.

For the first part,your argument is valid. But we should also listen to what PAF has to say.

Secondly,if we wanted to get J10,then we should had never run the jf17 program.
But now, our best option is to invest in jf17.
Nevertheless,jf17 cannot match j10 or f16.Period !

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Firstly, Pakistan has JF17 thunder program running which was started keeping in view the Pakistan’s requirement. We have a smooth program running to fulfill our requirements.

Secondly, Pakistan have many alot of years experience on f16 which has proved its worthiness. Though, sometimes troubling, it has been serving us and will serve us in future adequately. The threat of sanctions do create trouble but we have a plan in place for such times.

Thirdly, J-10 is an impressive aircraft which if inducted will not be bad or negative for us, but its induction is not worth the effort when we have better options available. We have SU35 which is a great aircraft on the table along with 5th gen options. I would support SU35 over j10 anytime. Going for SU35 iand not for j10 is quite understandable.

J 10 will surely increase our capabilities but we would need to invest alot of time,money, our men for this product.

You might have your reasons to support its induction, but I will be surprised if we introduce it in our inventory.


Lastly,If we had to induct J10, we might better not had started the jf17 program.

F16 has few reservations but China can not match with an equivalent.
@Manticore @Windjammer

Sir If China can not match equivalent ! Then Why are PAF even looking for J31?? Why are we want to invest money in this program??? Why people here say that PAF might buy J20???
As per your Logic! , We only have to go for F35 , F22 and Sir SU35 is also not an American Bird.
Thank you.

 

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Sir If China can not match equivalent ! Then Why are PAF even looking for J31?? Why are we want to invest money in this program??? Why people here say that PAF might buy J20???
As per your Logic! , We only have to go for F35 , F22 and Sir SU35 is also not an American Bird.
Thank you.

Please I request not to call me sir.

I do not think any one disputes on calling American technology the best.

USA>Russia>China not including UK,France...

I will discuss it sometimes else. Its late. Better sleep!

Good night!

 

[MastanKhan]

J16 has EW version, more range and maneuvour than JH7 EW version. We produce bolts to engine of J16, why we need to look Rusky's face. I've been enough looking at other's face in my life.

The most disaster part of PAF is that I doesn't have deep strike capability. Means it can't fight back, it only defense. Be it JH7b or J16, it can give a punch. If PAF only stick to its indulgence on F16 and doesn't wanna change its doctrine according to realistic requirement , it will suffer great loss in the future. Foreseen is important. If you can't hurt your enemy, means you don't have enough deterrence. JH7b or J16 carrying YJ12 or Yj100 can make your enemy pea in their pants , F16 can't carry such big scale ASM. PAF need to seriously considering play something big!

Hi,

Why is it that someone like you and a few foreign pilots that I have communicated---state that the paf is desperately lacking a heavy strike aircraft.

That they have nothing to fight back with---that what the paf has----.

Just like the kargil war---in the next war---paf will DHOTI UTHA DEY GI APNI---will drop their pants---stating we got nothing to fight with.

 

[帅的一匹]

Hi,

Why is it that someone like you and a few foreign pilots that I have communicated---state that the paf is desperately lacking a heavy strike aircraft.

That they have nothing to fight back with---that what the paf has----.

Just like the kargil war---in the next war---paf will DHOTI UTHA DEY GI APNI---will drop their pants---stating we got nothing to fight with.

I think Pakistan airforce now is operating 400 plus fighter jets? That's not bad according the economy size of Pakistan. China will help Pakistan to improve its economy so that PAF will be no more tight pocket. Ambition is related to the thickness of one's pocket. I still Believe PAF is very professional, the only problem is money. You are a very far-sighted person, you have my respect. Don't forget Pakistan always have China standing behind, we will provide weapons if you are in danger. We have your backs. Pakistan can't afford to go one on one with India in conventional war, that's why you developed nukes. Few squadrons of heavy striker aircraft will do the magic for PAF, make sure it can hit hard on your enemy.

 

[ziaulislam]

I don't see the frustration about JF-17 being short-legged. It has a combat radius of around 800km, more so with external tanks and in-flight refuelling. Source
The doctrine of the PAF is defence, with the option of deep strike, which this plane can do theoretically. For example, the distance from Karachi to Mumbai (some members have expressed this Indian city to be the ideal target) is about 850 km. With just about any ATG missile, or even bombs, the JF-17 can attack Mumbai without even coming close to it. Based on numbers alone, the JF-17 can even attack New Delhi after taking off from Karachi.
The J10 is definitely a better plane than the JF-17, and the J10B will also be better than its Block 3, however, is it that much better that it justifies spending billions to set up infrastructure, training pilots and engineers, studying and forming strategies and tactics for training purposes.
The only purpose that can justify spending so much capital is if a new platform brings something new to the table. Like a fifth generation fighter. J10 and JF-17 are both fourth generation planes and do the same thing, albeit one slightly better than the other.

wht people dont get is that pak cant even afford thunders, uptil now most running on loans

Pakistan can't afford fighters unless it double its export and economy