CHACHA"G"
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Wah Chacha G wah, what an analogy you have given. But how an Su 30 will will do it once both fighters drop their tanks to get in a merge. Is it a better energy fighter than F-16 or JF-17?
I'll not mention JF-17 here for reasons but look at design of both F-16 and JF-17 and if you know about what I am talking about you will get the idea. Now, I'll need to smash my head in a wall for my ignorance for so long if I find out that Su-30 is a better energy fighter than F-16. It is actually vipers which are re-knowned for this, nothing even to this day beats them in this quality and may be the reason they start getting called vipers. In a long fight they'll happily keep sucking you energy while maintaining their own. If you end up facing a viper in another jet and cannot get a quick result, you absolutely hate them for this. your "bhaga bhaga ke marna" is actually viper's favourite tactic. I do not know for what reason you think otherwise. Dogfights are not about absolute Kgs of fuel you are pushing around with.
Chacha G, I asked how?
Numbers are all not important even if we are talking about BVR combat. All BVR combat is going to occur in 15-50 kms at best depending upon altitude and speed. How will 500 Su 30s be able to even get a track on a J-31 before it actually is useless as they'll have ended in VWR range. Even if a J-31 pilot is stupid or too confident and decides to approach them head-on with radar blazing at full power, with 4 BVR missile how much chance a very large Su 30 has to even try getting in VWR range to have a chance of getting in a fight.
And where will they hide, in calcutta or madras, why the hell will J-31s even need to go there, PAF can just happily and merrily rip apart all air defences and land formations.
If you are mentioning the 1973 war than it is not correct, EAF did well in it, actually Hosni Mubarak I think EAF commander at that time became such a hero that he ended up becoming President later. I do not remember the numbers but I have read in an analysis in staff course material that a significant number of EAF losses in that war was because of fratricide by there own air-defences. Saturating too much air-defence has its cost as well.
Where did I say F16 , I was talking about JF17, and after droop tanks off ,Man do you know how much internal fuel JF17 can carry , and what about SU30 , its almost double ,
And for F16 yes they do have advantage but Newer Blocks Like F16 Block and F16 Block V forget our old F16 which we done MLU, F16 are good Dog fighters but they will face SU30 with SU35 kit and how do you know there will be a dog fight (su35 kit will come aesa radar ).
LOL do you know how many BVR can J31 take in her bailey and how long it can stay in air with out extra fuel tanks , because that will make it a true 5th Gen and also add Radar absorbent material to airframe , J31 with weapons on outer pods and extra fuel tanks and less RAM in airframe is just like an other 4.5++Gen bird .
And y you are imaging that SU30 BVR wont work or it will only work under 50km and all of Pakistani vwr will work and also All of over BVR will work.
You are indirectly just saying that SU30 With SU35 kit are baby toys there BVR wont work , There Radar Wont work , There long Loitering Time wont work , There capacity of Carrying more weapons and advance pods wont work, There advance jamming systems wont work, and there VWR also wont work, and IAF pilots skills to our run PAF Birds also wont work in any type of engagement ,
Please brother Find out about F16 , JF17,J31 there characteristics there load taking ability , there EW suits , there missiles and the range of the missiles, There radars (power) and there RCS , there material of air frame, there engine , the thrust ratio , speed , climbing rate , afterburning thrust ,and list goes on
If we are upgrading our JF17 and having F16 Block 52 then IAF also upgrading SU30 and increasing there numbers , and also keep one more thing in mind IAF will also have 500 other birds ,
Thank you
@Blabla Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa , haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa , Sir this is not 1980 and we don't have any Advance bird that is better then IAF, now we will never have that edge ,
IAF already going for Rafal , if they don't screw up French Avionics for there Tejas, They already have 300 Su30 and they want to have 500 of them and they also planning to upgrade them with SU35 kit, There Next Gen Pak FA will be with them until 2025 . They have advance upgraded MIG29 , USA is ready for selling them F35,
And our JF17 Block 3 will come in 2018 and we not even sure about there Radar and avionics , FC31 No idea or time line for that , F16 majority of our birds are very old They have MLU to bring them Block 52 level , and we have to keep 5 years of stock pile of there spear parts ,
Rest you think again, And please let me know which advance birds you are talking about when they will be in Pakistan colours and how much they will cost us and don't forget telling there numbers,
Thank you