This thread is getting distracted from its topic but lets have one more go.
Who will decide about what best to purchase for PAF.. used car sales men. And pilot should go on a rampage against idiocies and insane decisions of used car sales men and start evangelising about which cars are best to purchase..
I know one guy is on some kind of personal crusade on this forum and amazingly his knowledge about flying or tactics or technology involved is abysmal. He does not eve know about trimming but profess expertise in purchasing advanced jet.. face palm..
These arguments,rumours of PAF giving up on it because of earthquake is nonsense.
PAF was never interested in Rafale.full stop.
Go have whatever about the raves you had about what ever shining toy you wanted to see in PAF colors but that is the hard truth.
Hi,
Tell me---as a fighter pilot what access to information that you have more than me---.
Those days are long gone when information was hidden and secret----now it is available to everyone who wants to look for it.
And fighter pilots must not make decisions on the type of aircraft---they can only give the duidelines---but in the paf--that is what happens.
Why would there would be a lesser chance of sanctions---that is difficut for the thick heads in paf to understand---.
You should have read the american senators statement just a few days ago---let us sell them the F16's otherwise they will go elsewhere and we will not have any control over what they do.
So---sanctions will only be imposed when they can work----when you have an option---an aircraft from a different nation who does not want to sanction you---so that would defeat the purpose pf the sanctions and you will still maintain your ability to fight.
Was that so difficult to understand----. Just keep your day job of flying---.
This thread is getting distracted from its topic but lets have one more go.
Who will decide about what best to purchase for PAF.. used car sales men. And pilot should go on a rampage against idiocies and insane decisions of used car sales men and start evangelising about which cars are best to purchase..
I know one guy is on some kind of personal crusade on this forum and amazingly his knowledge about flying or tactics or technology involved is abysmal. He does not eve know about trimming but profess expertise in purchasing advanced jet.. face palm..
These arguments,rumours of PAF giving up on it because of earthquake is nonsense.
PAF was never interested in Rafale.full stop.
Go have whatever about the raves you had about what ever shining toy you wanted to see in PAF colors but that is the hard truth.
Son,
You are lucky that I don't have access to sit on the live tv in pakistan---otherwise---I would rake you blue uniforms over coals---and when the people would learn that the traitors that you are---that hate would destroy you.
So---if Rafale was not considered---then why not---. That was the next tier up from M2k---and immediate successor to the indians----who would not go for the american aircraft----and the Rafale would have met and exceeded pakistans needs.
So---why that route was not followed---. It would have totally sabotaged the indian game plan and they would be left with some serious issues----.
Off course a pilot can tell which one is the best car---information is free----but a GOOD salesman does not sell the BEST CAR----it is what is best for the consumer---and what they need.
In the first 1-2 minutes of my conversation with the customer---I know what kind of car they need---they may not want to get it---that is a different story---in a similar manner---and educated person with good and decent knowledge about the subject can know very well what kind of aircraft does the Paf need.
What does the pilot know---other than to love his aircraft. Read up on books written by retd U S pilots---see what they say---they were put into aircrafts they hated to fly but ended up loving them in the end.
That is why I say---if I can force the JH7B's with aesa on the Paf----in 2 years time---they will not have enough words to praise that aircraft.
It is a human nature to keep in a secure area and be with things that they are familiar with. That is what Paf's mentality is---secure is good ---known is predictable---unknown is fearful.
You boyz in blue are lucky that the indians that you face are bigger idiots than you are---.
sir, i will second you on car salesmen but only for sales of JF-17 and other products, as we have already seen a car dealer is in the sales of F-17 to SL..
but for purchase we need typical old minded man who can bargain until he gets what he want to at his own conditions..
and after 2-3 year when Germans got to know that PN just fooling her nation on subs deal.. they show middle finger to PN and said get lost we don't have time to waste..
difference is good for positive growth..
there is the difference between Israelis and Pakistanis, israelis migrated from all over world to israel, so they have only one option-- do --or-- die..
but Pakistanis(high ranks) migrated to all over the world from Pakistan and actually they also have only one option --- collect as many as you can to migrate-- or -- you have to live in Pakistan..
F-16 has been prohibited by its creature to go to east, if it went ahead without it's creatures will, F-16 will die..
a sane person will never repeat his same mistake which has almost kill him... but... but.. but.
Lover will repeat his mistakes until he gets his love or die..
there is a saying in Sindhi for the lover.."ashiq majboor aa bhaly kedo be kandhar hujy" in english "Romeo is helpless even though he is powerful".
i think you should have to read again my comment.. i clearly say with MLUed = upgraded F-16..
i think you don;t know that French were happy to sell their radars and missiles for F-17 but MMRCA did her magic..
and as for French and chinese cooperation, Airbus is making her helicopter in china , and there are lots of JV between French companies and Chinese companies...
F-17 and rafale are from different categories. F-17 is light-weight and is used for interception and air defence.. but rafale is medium-weight and is very near to heavy-weight and is used for SEAD, DEAD, deep-strike, etc. there is not any comparing between them.. ..
rafale had hard time because at initial years, from 2002-2007 most countries in MENA has already ordered for F-16 because of WoT..and then global recession comes in 2008 and from 2010 to 2013 whole MENA region was struggling with Arab Spring.uprising...
almost every country in MENA region still 3rd gen fighter and they are more than 30+ years old and that needs replacements.. French are businessmen they won;t mind because they would be earning money on radars and weapons from F-17 sales..
if i'm not wrong mica has range of 50+km and that is more than ok for indo-pak war scenario...
Hi,
The MMRCA did the magic was---because we did not have the ' GLUE " to hold the Jf17 deal together.
The Rafale would have been the GLUE---or even 50-60 M2K's as well---. Any of these two major deals would have been the glue to keep the JF17 avionics deal alive.
See---when there is LOVE & camaradrie--you go the extra step of doing things.
How often to do we make these deals in our daily lives with our kids---you do this and I will do this for you---there is a candy or a popsicle at the end---or a movie or a hamburger---whatever---but there is give and take.
Rafale was the game changer in the arena---giving a new life to French aircraft industry---and the French would have favored the JF17 avionics---.
Just like president Reagan---how many times did he sign off on pakistan's non nuclear status---many times---because there was something happening between pakistan and the U S----.
Bottomline is---it is all about give and take---. Incidently---Paf has been on take take and take---now that uncle Sam had taken away its candy bar---it does not know what to do.
Hi,
The question was never about the ability of the F16 BLK 52---it is an extremely potent aircraft---the best in the indo pak arena at this time---.
The question is all about the strings attached to it. If the poster does not understand that part---then let them bang their heads against the wall.