What's new

J-10: Chinas new fighter!

Interesting, I would thought the International Strategy and Assessment Center is an neutral and independent assessment organization.

The article that you posted, showing F-22 is the only fighter capable of fighting J-10, you should had known better how netural and independent they are. J-10 is as capable as an F-16 block 40, the reason pakistan delayed its aquistion was that they wanted something better then the F-16 block-50. This is the same kind of assesment in which they showed iraq a threat which possesed WMD whereas what happened in reality, we all know that. All they want is to keep the american people in constant fear, so that no one objects such a huge spending on F-22 project when a much cheaper version JSF is available.
 
.
This is an interesting article.

This is a quote from the article:

"Fisher, of the International Strategy and Assessment Center, says that of the fighters in service around the world, only the American F-22 Raptor, jointly produced by Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney for the U.S. Air Force, would clearly outmatch the J-10."

It is interesting to see how an American has rated the J-10 so highly.

China builds a superpower fighter - International Herald Tribune

Sena, I think this is just US paranoia and a tactic to get more funds for F-22, which many Americans see as a waste of taxpayer money.

If J-10 was so good, why would China get Su-30s from Russia? Wouldnt it have been much more prudent to churn out j-10 en masse?
 
.
Since the 70's the US has not invested in any significant airframe improvements not relating to stealth technology. Why? Back in the days of the F-4 phantom just about all the Jet Jockies had realized that you could jack the afterburners to the limit and go up to 1400MPH and pull 9 G turns all day, and any reasonably good missile would still beat you. Airwarfare planners call the sub 10 mile range the "Death Zone" because both fighters will likely not make it out of the engagement should both aircraft survive that long, so long as their technology is on par. I don't care how fast your reactions are, the human is the weak link in the aerospace chain. It is the missile and avionics packages that win the engagements, not the airframe(Lets forget about stealth for the moment). The j-10 is certainly faster and more maneuverable than the F-16, but china still does not have a semiconductor and aerospace industry of sufficient maturity to match the avionics packages that Russia can sell, and Russia's avionics/ECM/Radar packages are not anywhere near as advanced as those available to the west. Remember that the F-16 was produced in 1976. Would the USAF still be planning to keep it in service till 2025 if they seriously thought china's fighters would beat it? All of this is interesting, but you have to remember that it is the entire war-fighting mechanism that will win wars. AWACS, advanced munitions, stealth bombers to hit fighters and AA before conventional fighters go into Indian(red, not India) country. The F-16 and F-15 have a place, and guess what? its not to enter into some type of glorified air arena with the enemy's best aircraft. Comparing basic hardware is no more useful than looking at the most muscled team to win a football match, thats not how it works.
 
.
Since the 70's the US has not invested in any significant airframe improvements not relating to stealth technology. Why? Back in the days of the F-4 phantom just about all the Jet Jockies had realized that you could jack the afterburners to the limit and go up to 1400MPH and pull 9 G turns all day, and any reasonably good missile would still beat you. Airwarfare planners call the sub 10 mile range the "Death Zone" because both fighters will likely not make it out of the engagement should both aircraft survive that long, so long as their technology is on par. I don't care how fast your reactions are, the human is the weak link in the aerospace chain. It is the missile and avionics packages that win the engagements, not the airframe(Lets forget about stealth for the moment). The j-10 is certainly faster and more maneuverable than the F-16, but china still does not have a semiconductor and aerospace industry of sufficient maturity to match the avionics packages that Russia can sell, and Russia's avionics/ECM/Radar packages are not anywhere near as advanced as those available to the west. Remember that the F-16 was produced in 1976. Would the USAF still be planning to keep it in service till 2025 if they seriously thought china's fighters would beat it? All of this is interesting, but you have to remember that it is the entire war-fighting mechanism that will win wars. AWACS, advanced munitions, stealth bombers to hit fighters and AA before conventional fighters go into Indian(red, not India) country. The F-16 and F-15 have a place, and guess what? its not to enter into some type of glorified air arena with the enemy's best aircraft. Comparing basic hardware is no more useful than looking at the most muscled team to win a football match, thats not how it works.


Very true indeed.

You have almost reached the dead end of airframe design. Now its all about avionics and your missile capability....in which china clearly lacks. Rusiia is no better either.
 
.
Yeah, they still teach dogfighting skill however. If for example, your C&C and AWACS support is gone and you can't use your radar for some reason, you may need to engage inside visual range. Also, in Vietnam, the US had the policy of not engaging until visual range to make sure the targets were not friendlies. This took away the technical advantage, and forced plenty of dogfights. Besides which, a good dogfight just builds character!;)
 
.
Missile technology..SD-10..can perform about as well as any BVR missile.

Avionics it's not as good on obviously, but noone really knows how good Chinese avionics are.
 
.
Missile technology..SD-10..can perform about as well as any BVR missile.

Avionics it's not as good on obviously, but noone really knows how good Chinese avionics are.

Of course they do, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka etc.... PG7, F6, A5 etc,

Nothing compared to the westren advancement.
 
. .
Missile technology..SD-10..can perform about as well as any BVR missile.

Hm, neither the PLAF or PAF have deigned to release perfomance specs, so I can not counter or support that statement.
 
. .
what is think is chinese made an affordable version of eurofighter typhoon......
but i think its gonna be qualitatively inferior too..........like type 59...........:P
 
.
Chinese J-10A/B fghter is equivalent to U.S. F-16C/D Block50/52 in term of air combat ability.
 
.
what is think is chinese made an affordable version of eurofighter typhoon......
but i think its gonna be qualitatively inferior too..........like type 59...........:P

When we get them, we will invite you to come into our parlour with your fancy MKIs and hand your sorry *** back to you. Son, if you are here to troll, dont bother coming back again. On the other hand if you want to debate present a plausable argument, not one liners.
I hope you understand:agree:;)
Araz
 
.
Dude, the meaning of J-10 is not how it is superior or inexpensive. Rather, the significance is that it is made in China. The exception to purely "made in China" of it may be that it still uses Russian engine. Given the fact that China has the amount of people (it produces thousands of PhD yearly, similar to that of USA) and the amount of money, strong engines will come out shortly. If the management can be further streamline, it'll be even faster.
Issues in Science and Technology, Spring 2007, Where the Engineers Are

u are right, guy from USA! Our china's designers need to self-reflect!:yahoo:
 
.
Sena, I think this is just US paranoia and a tactic to get more funds for F-22, which many Americans see as a waste of taxpayer money.

If J-10 was so good, why would China get Su-30s from Russia? Wouldnt it have been much more prudent to churn out j-10 en masse?

My dear brother from india, this is because we do not want to be like india, we insist to increase our own design and manufacturing ability:cheers:
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom