It looks like you have some comprehension problems....Try to read it slowly before hitting the reply button...I clearly said that IA is against moving outof Siachen....I gave the reasons as well...It is foolish for GOI to ignore IA apprehensions however if they chose to then that is the end of matter...Do you get it?? This is not Pakistan who we are talking here...IA knows its boundary very well..History is there to prove it as well....if you don't wanna look or ask then can't help...
Seems like your head in stuck in your behind. Let me make it easy for you to understand. YOUR civilian politicians , agreed with Pakistan to deescalate the Saichin . YOUR military however, said NO. YOUR civilian government, had to bite the dust and capitulate in front of your military establishment. What is there not doing through your head?
and you were saying that i was living under a rock!!
Enlighten me Einstein.
?? Why do we need to give a proof?? WHY??
Not even Pakistan is laughing at you, but your own, within your country questioning the claim of sir G kal strike.
by loosing your sanity and puking garbage like an
illetrate person...sure
I can assure you I didnt attend those RSS schools where you have to wear those rather funny looking shorts exposing those sticky Indian legs.
however India needs approval from you or world by showing proofs?? Make up your mind....
Losing context here are we? READ your own comments moron.
And yet they were abandoned...Also when you don't even know how many you lost how do you know who took more chaps??
kiddo, is it that difficult to understand? We knew how many personal went inside enemy territory and how many came back and how many attained martyrdom. Those who lost their lives were deep inside enemy territory. The notion of abandonment is a figment of Indian imagination. One thing is for sure, you replies are getting more amusing by time.
Involving world powers is important because as a responsible country you need to explain your position...Unlike Pakistan which just moves in and then get flak from everyone....If you say kargil was a surgical strike then i can only laugh at your ignorance...you don't even know the meaning of surgical strike and debating with me....
Firing your guns using the shoulder of sugar daddies is a sign of weakness my friend. Pakistan dont need any shoulder , we are confident in our capabilities and prowess. However you want to describe surgical strike, yours wasnt one
. As for kargil, you can call it a Pakistani surgical strike, pre emptive strike or punitive strike, whatever floats your boat.
Don't ask for something if you can't digest it...Why waste time?? You asked for countries other than Russia who supported our claims and when i shared that you are giving me all this...China troops are also engaged with India and that too in Ladakh...does that mean anything more than that??
No government , I repeat no one has categorical has said that India indeed conducted the surgical strike. "Right of defense" or what not are just diplomatic terms which imply for all nations. Having said that, we in Pakistan are fully aware of the nexus between America and India and are fully up for it. As for Russia and China, both their head of states have given you lot the cold shoulder just recently on your own soil. Ah China, right, just recently their army was camping deep into Indian controlled territory as well. As for Russia-Pakistan exercise, it was the first time in the history that such event took place and with current global geopolitical situation in mind, it had great significance. Your understanding of geopolitics seems quite limited.
really? When you guys can deny the whole freaking Kargil operation and put it on Mujahideen then what a mortal video will do..and who is going to verify it and do the terrain mapping?? You?? Your army has shared video evidence of Indian casualties...IA rubbished it and called them morphed...who is going to verify that?? I believe my army and you yours...no??
Denying Kargil? is that how you make yourself go to sleep in night believing Pakistan will deny the grand spanking it gave to India on its own controlled territory? Wake up sunshine, its time to go to school. Even Mushy said he spend a night inside Kargil
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Pakistan will be a fool if it deny a genuine proof, if ever such thing exists. We havent released any info on Indian casualties as yet. Why letting your imagination go wild?
As said you have some serious comprehension problems...this is what i wrote...
If I was Modi and ready to take all the above risks then i would be releasing the video evidence a month or so before UP elections...
Let me make it easy for you...
All i am saying is that if I was Modi i would have released it after calculating ROI...not saying that I believe Modi will....
Sunshine, we are not the decision maker sitting in Islamabad or Delhi, we can only speculate. You in your own wisdom or lack of it, suggested that Modi will/might release it near elections to get the maximum mileage out of it. Thats fine, I understand this logic. And i said I will wait for that time. But when Pakistan is mocking India, and when within India, there are voices who are literally calling Modi a "dalla" (if you understand what it mean), its quite astonishing to see Modi behaving the way he is, sticking the proof right up his arse, hiding from everyone.
Dude...what are you challenging...Surgical Strikes or Casualties...Allow me to clarify.....PA stance is that it was cross border firing...two PA person died in it and in retaliation scores of Indian...PA went ahead and claimed their dead one's...India is not...and as per your video evidence was not able to retrieve those bodies....Now given cross border firing is a routine I fail to understand why PA is upfront in claiming their dead where as Indian are running with tails in legs...Something is not making sense here...no??
Let me make it easy for you. Your DGMO, clearly mentioned that there were NO Indian casualties during this so called surgical strikes. Meaning non of your men died. He is quite clear about this.
Now understand the ground realities, LOC is the world most heavily militarized place. According to your claim, you lot went inside for 2 to 3 kms, on foot, stayed there for 3 hours yet you wont be challenged by Paksitan Army which is present in every bend and cornor of that damn place!!
Pakistan position is clear, we do acknowledge, that was an attack on our first line of defence right on the LOC, which we engaged and replused and in the process we lost 2 men while killing around 14 Indian soliders. That why we are telling the Indian side to man up and release the detail of their loses.
Two are related because Indian DGMO in his bravado claimed that no Indian solider died, unless you also beleive that Indian army acted like hunumans
. Turst me, we are not serving bananas at LOC.
A narrative build on deception and lies can only fly for a while.
Look if you are pretending to be ignorant then I can't help....Kargil is a perfect example that there is a scope of limited conflict within nuclear umbrella..and so does this surgical strikes...However Pakistan has been harping about using Nukes at the drop of hat all the time...Their not declaring "No First Use" Policy, deployment of tactical nukes raise enough doubts...Mind it No-one wants a nuclear war...this is the bluff and is a brilliant one..2002. standoff...26/11 are prefect examples of uncertainty on this side... Strategist in India have been raising it for a long time...GOI finally called it!!
You are not only naive but beleive in your own sh|t as well. A dangerous combo.
LOC, has a certain history, its own dynamic, its own warfare, its own rules of engagement. These small scale skirmishes have been going on since 1947 just like what you claimed as surgical strike. However the international border is a completely different ball game. You are mixing the two and misreading the nuke threshold. Like Americans have recently deployed the tactical nukes against Russians in Germany, we developed our own as we believe they give us a quick and effective way to achieve victory over Indian armed forces in any "full fledged" future war. Tactical Nukes WILL NOT be used in mountains up there, there are no Indian armored divisions to neutralize. Its not our problem that Indians are lacking in knowledge to make the smart nukes for themselves.
Yes we have already shown that a localized conflict can happen under nuclear umbralla when we went deep inside Kargil and stayed there for weeks. Good luck to you if you call a little skirmish on LOC a surgical strike.
. And no we wont be dropping our nukes on your arse on little "tuk tuk" in kashmir region, if that make you sleep better at night
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