Its Official: JXX is going to test fly in the next few days

[nakodo]

cause photoshoppers love em.

No stealth plane will have canards. If it has canards, its not 5th gen.

auto-retractable upon detection of radar.

 

[aimarraul]

cause photoshoppers love em.

No stealth plane will have canards. If it has canards, its not 5th gen.

canards affect the stealth peformance a lot when it deflect,you only need to use it during take-off/landing or do the super maneuver move,but it will provide better maneuverability to avoid the coming missile,if F-22's minimal frontal RCS is 0.1sqm,0.3 sqm is an acceptable number for modified J-10 ,our engine is not as good as F119,that's why it will have canards

 

[jagjitnatt]

canards affect the stealth peformance a lot when it deflect,you only need to use it during take-off/landing or do the super maneuver move,but it will provide better maneuverability to avoid the coming missile,if F-22's minimal frontal RCS is 0.1sqm,0.3 sqm is an acceptable number for modified J-10 ,our engine is not as good as F119,that's why it will have canards

F22 rcs is 0.0001 square meter.

The Su47 had an rcs of 0.3, EF2000 0.1, Rafale 0.3, J11 5 square meters.

Canards will kill the stealth.

 

[aimarraul]

F22 rcs is 0.0001 square meter.

only idoit will believe this number

 

[lhuang]

only idoit will believe this number

You didn't just say that

 

[mohd497]

first of all there are many types of canards some of it "kill the stealth" as stated by my indian friends while others use for maneuverability and reduced radar cross section lets take the example of eurofighter is have a special type of canard known as control-canard which is controlled by an software to control its canard leaving it to reduce its radar cross section. The picture which is uploaded by dingyibvs could be very close thing notice the design of f-22 or pak-fa in which ever the the angle of transmit of radar wave have hit the plane the every part of that plane hitting the radar wave hit back it is main objective when designing a stealth plane

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

F22 rcs is 0.0001 square meter.

The Su47 had an rcs of 0.3, EF2000 0.1, Rafale 0.3, J11 5 square meters.

Canards will kill the stealth.

 

[jagjitnatt]

only idoit will believe this number

The above number is believed to be true for F22 no matter what you say.

Even F35 has 0.001 square meter rcs. That is why its called stealth aircraft.

Even the latest F16s have a smaller rcs around 1 square meter. Gone are the days when 5 square meter rcs was something to flaunt.

Get real.

 

[jagjitnatt]

first of all there are many types of canards some of it "kill the stealth" as stated by my indian friends while others use for maneuverability and reduced radar cross section lets take the example of eurofighter is have a special type of canard known as control-canard which is controlled by an software to control its canard leaving it to reduce its radar cross section. The picture which is uploaded by dingyibvs could be very close thing notice the design of f-22 or pak-fa in which ever the the angle of transmit of radar wave have hit the plane the every part of that plane hitting the radar wave hit back it is main objective when designing a stealth plane

All canards due to their moving nature kill stealth. The case with EF Typhoon is that the canards are not metal, but composites painted with RAM coatings. The edges of the canards as well as the tail and the wings are coated with RAM, which reduces its rcs significantly.

Look at the edges. They are not the same as the rest of the frame. That is what keeps the rcs low.

 

[mohd497]

jagjitnatt you just proved my point i hope that j-xx will also have RAM coating instead of metal but this is just one aspect of it designing a very low RCS plane doesn't only have RAM coating there are other factors too which you cant i tell leave it to the people building it if eurofighter can have low rcs and also having canard then i dont find any reason for j-xx not having it.

 

[Dark Angel]

only idoit will believe this number

Eeeeh mate i think u got it reversed .......... only an idoit will not believe this number

 

[jagjitnatt]

jagjitnatt you just proved my point i hope that j-xx will also have RAM coating instead of metal but this is just one aspect of it designing a very low RCS plane doesn't only have RAM coating there are other factors too which you cant i tell leave it to the people building it if eurofighter can have low rcs and also having canard then i dont find any reason for j-xx not having it.

Sure J-XX can have a low rcs, but what they are aiming for is even lower than Typhoon's.

Only US and now UK have RAM coating tech, not even Russia although Russia is trying pretty hard. So its tough, not impossible though.

I wish Chinese luck for their plane but we shouldn't be over optimistic either.

 

[Guest]

F22 rcs is 0.0001 square meter.

either Russia or US is telling a lie.
US said: F22 rcs is 0.0001 square meter.
Russia said: we can detect F22 50kms away. (this would be imposible, if F22's rcs is what it is advertised)

 

[jagjitnatt]

either Russia or US is telling a lie.
US said: F22 rcs is 0.0001 square meter.
Russia said: we can detect F22 50kms away. (this would be imposible, if F22's rcs is what it is advertised)

The radar in Mig 35 which is Irbis E, an AESA radar can detect F22 at a range of 35-40 kms.


The radar in PakFa would be much more powerful. So it is easily possible that it would be able to detect it at 50 km range.
Also Russia believes its L-Band radar can detect stealth planes at a longer range, but its universally known that the L Band radar works at low frequency, because of which its not accurate. X Band radars do detect but at a closer range. The Irbis is an X band radar, so an equivalent L Band radar would be able to detect F22 at a range of 50 km or so.

 

[aimarraul]

Sure J-XX can have a low rcs, but what they are aiming for is even lower than Typhoon's.

Only US and now UK have RAM coating tech, not even Russia although Russia is trying pretty hard. So its tough, not impossible though.

I wish Chinese luck for their plane but we shouldn't be over optimistic either.

we never count on "luck" ,you better check how big is 0.0001sqm before you try to convince people that F-22 is smaller than a bug on the radar.F-22 is only 400KM away from our coastline ,luck is not gonna help reunify taiwan