Italy takes India to int'l arbitration over marines

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

We will see, I was waiting for this day for a long time. I want to see India made to bow down in front of the world! I want to see its pride destroyed!

India doesnt bow in front of anyone.Neither has it nor it will.That is why we didnt join any union in cold war era and till today we dont suck upto anyone.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Lest you forget sir onus is on the prosecution to prove the guilt. That's how Indian laws work and till now after three years these Marines have not still been chargesheeted

What is the time in which Police has to file a charge sheet in India?

In Pakistan it is 90 days...

India doesnt bow in front of anyone.Neither has it nor it will.That is why we didnt join any union in cold war era and till today we dont suck upto anyone.

This is not the Gandhi policy... Gandhi was willing to bow down if he thought that would be in the bigger interest. Though this also was the reason of his assassination...

What Italy says doesn't matter as there are enough evidence that they are in Indian water.
Italian politicians makes matter worse neither this issue solved without so much fuss.
ICJ applied if Italy proved that their vessel was in international water and all arbitrary efforts failed.

It does matter... India is not alone in the world... It can be your personal feeling but it can not be a Government policy.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

What is the time in which Police has to file a charge sheet in India?

In Pakistan it is 90 days...


This is not the Gandhi policy... Gandhi was willing to bow down if he thought that would be in the bigger interest. Though this also was the reason of his assassination...


It does matter... India is not alone in the world... It can be your personal feeling but it can not be a Government policy.

Gandhi is long dead and so is his policy.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Gandhi is long dead and so is his policy.

It is known todays Indian policy is based on the Mourian Empire and specially the policies of Ashoka...But where did he lead to he was the one who became a peace loving person at the end... So going from a peace loving India to an Aggressive India might back fire.

 

[Mr.Nair]

It is known todays Indian policy is based on the Mourian Empire and specially the policies of Ashoka...But where did he lead to he was the one who became a peace loving person at the end... So going from a peace loving India to an Aggressive India might back fire.

Even marine issue, french and germany given a warm welcome recently and they don't care what italy have issue with india or not.As long as India is an emerging power nothing can stop to achieve indian objective.

You have to understand that India is not pakistan

 

[my2cents]

AFP
Rome, | 27 June,

(Photo: Getty Images)
Italy said on Friday it had initiated international arbitration proceedings in the case of two of its marines facing trial in India for the 2012 killing of two fishermen.

The unilateral move by the Italian government follows the failure of direct negotiations with the Indian government aimed at resolving a case which has severely strained diplomatic relations between the two countries, the foreign ministry said in a statement.

India insists that the fate of the two marines, Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, must be resolved by its courts because its citizens were shot in its territorial waters.

Italy maintains that the shooting, which happened while the two marines were serving as part of an anti-piracy mission, occurred in international waters off southern India and should be dealt with under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

Under UNCLOS, parties to a dispute can seek arbitration through an ad hoc panel or the creation of a special tribunal.

Other alternatives are to seek a judgement from the International Court of Justice in the Hague or the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea, in Hamburg, Germany.

Italy's foreign ministry did not specify the exact procedure it was starting but said they would be making an immediate request for both the marines to be allowed to stay on home soil pending the outcome of the arbitration procedure.

Latorre has been in Italy since last year having been granted permission to leave India on health grounds due to a heart condition which required minor surgery.

Girone remains confined to Italy's embassy in Delhi pending a trial which Italian officials say has taken far too long to come to court.

The marines have denied shooting the fishermen deliberately but have conceded they mistook the fishing boat for a pirate vessel and fired what were supposed to be warning shots.


Read more at The Statesman: Italy takes India to int'l arbitration over marines

You would have to wait for years. May be you read up their memoirs after they are released. You will hear about the things that go on in our prisons and have more heart burn.

 

[de_xtr]

It is known todays Indian policy is based on the Mourian Empire and specially the policies of Ashoka...But where did he lead to he was the one who became a peace loving person at the end... So going from a peace loving India to an Aggressive India might back fire.

It is known ? Not talking about it is good or bad or anything, I'm interested in knowing what led to that conclusion.

 

[Spectre]

What is the time in which Police has to file a charge sheet in India?

In Pakistan it is 90 days...


This is not the Gandhi policy... Gandhi was willing to bow down if he thought that would be in the bigger interest. Though this also was the reason of his assassination...


It does matter... India is not alone in the world... It can be your personal feeling but it can not be a Government policy.

Here too the time is 90 days but the case is quite complex.

1. Italians requested the case not be tried in Kerala where the incident occurred as the local population may be biased.

Indian Supreme court agreed but due to different reasons than bias (they couldn't admit to bias in judiciary can they?)

2. Supreme court directed NIA (National Investigative Agency) to investigate the case and file the chargesheet. NIA completed the investigations during the 90 days but then the drama started.

a. Italians then left for Italy after their Ambassador gave a sovereign guarantee that that they would return for trials,
b. Italian PM says Marines won't return and they would be tried in Italy.
c. Indian Supreme court gets pissed off and passes an order restricting Italian ambassador from leaving India as he had reneged on Sovereign Guarantee.
d. Italians blink and send Marines back to India after Indian Govt promises that would be not be charged under sections which have death penalty.
e. Italians played a brilliant game and outfoxed India as NIA can only investigate in cases like piracy and terrorism all of which have death penalty as possible punishment.
f. Italians then ask for whole investigation to be conducted again as NIA was wrongfully appointed as investigation agency.
g This April supreme court directed the Special court appointed to quickly try the case and complete the trial in minimum time,
f. Italians again file for stay asking more time till July, 2015 for preparation for their defense

The same Italians are now taking india for arbitration due to delay in trying the case while forgetting they themselves had asked for multiple stays.
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Gandhi exists only when India wants to brag about peace and non violence at international forums thereafter he conveniently disappears from our collective memories

 

[Rangila]

Its an arbitration, kind of mediation. The outcome is not likely to be binding.
Who cares

 

[Echo_419]

@OP:

OT: If Italy thought they had a case, they would have gone for Intl arbitration long ago. This is just a vain attempt to delay the proceedings.

Agreed,there is a limit to being pushed around this is no longer the 20th century

Here too the time is 90 days but the case is quite complex.

1. Italians requested the case not be tried in Kerala where the incident occurred as the local population may be biased.

Indian Supreme court agreed but due to different reasons than bias (they couldn't admit to bias in judiciary can they?)

2. Supreme court directed NIA (National Investigative Agency) to investigate the case and file the chargesheet. NIA completed the investigations during the 90 days but then the drama started.

a. Italians then left for Italy after their Ambassador gave a sovereign guarantee that that they would return for trials,
b. Italian PM says Marines won't return and they would be tried in Italy.
c. Indian Supreme court gets pissed off and passes an order restricting Italian ambassador from leaving India as he had reneged on Sovereign Guarantee.
d. Italians blink and send Marines back to India after Indian Govt promises that would be not be charged under sections which have death penalty.
e. Italians played a brilliant game and outfoxed India as NIA can only investigate in cases like piracy and terrorism all of which have death penalty as possible punishment.
f. Italians then ask for whole investigation to be conducted again as NIA was wrongfully appointed as investigation agency.
g This April supreme court directed the Special court appointed to quickly try the case and complete the trial in minimum time,
f. Italians again file for stay asking more time till July, 2015 for preparation for their defense

The same Italians are now taking india for arbitration due to delay in trying the case while forgetting they themselves had asked for multiple stays.
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Gandhi exists only when India wants to brag about peace and non violence at international forums thereafter he conveniently disappears from our collective memories

Agreed

 

[Manindra]

What is the time in which Police has to file a charge sheet in India?

In Pakistan it is 90 days...


This is not the Gandhi policy... Gandhi was willing to bow down if he thought that would be in the bigger interest. Though this also was the reason of his assassination...


It does matter... India is not alone in the world... It can be your personal feeling but it can not be a Government policy.

And Italians do enough bitching in EU is testament to that how their case are such strong.

 

[Alphacharlie]

I'm just as apalled. Don't they know that India will be a superpower very soon?

Would have appreciated a Sensible reply. Thought Yanks out here made Value adding statements...

 

[Echo_419]

Would have appreciated a Sensible reply. Thought Yanks out here made Value adding statements...

Don't indult our American friends by calling Luca a American she is just a False flag Loosed

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

It is known todays Indian policy is based on the Mourian Empire and specially the policies of Ashoka...But where did he lead to he was the one who became a peace loving person at the end... So going from a peace loving India to an Aggressive India might back fire.

It wont.Cowards have no place in the world.Non violence wont be of any good in the era where Pakistan is anything but peaceful.

 

[Hindustani78]

This is arbitration...right?
Lol

Marines row: Italy files arbitration case - The Hindu
Italy will seek the immediate transfer of the marines Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone to the country pending the arbitration process.

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So both are in India.