Italian forces ignored a sinking ship full of Syrian refugees and let more than 250 drown.

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Assad & Khomeini must be happy .

 

[desiHindu]

I give up with these Indians. Turns out everything the Pakistanis say about you lot is correct. I am not going to bother with you anymore.

Abuse & then complain. Damn dude, you got the best of both ends.

Coming back to topic. Muslims of Middle east, need to look east to their brothers in Saudi & Iran.
Instead of taking ships they should take buses, cars and trucks and move there where they are wanted and will be shown all the love in the world.

There is no point going to Europe where the people don't want u and You don't like the way they live.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Coming back to topic. Muslims of Middle east, need to look east to their brothers in Saudi & Iran

Even Iranians are migrating to the West and seeking asylum to be honest, so i don't think many migrants will be willing to migrate to Iran giving the country's 'relatively' low living standards and inadequate job opportunities there. For KSA, it's true many migrants can migrate there(which i believe some do to some extent) but giving the country's 'perceived ' social/religious laws which many consider too harsh many migrants will still prefer migrating to Europe than towards KSA.

MILAN — Almost four years ago, 268 Syrian refugees — including 60 children — lost their lives in a shipwreck about 60 miles south of Lampedusa, a small Italian island that sits between Sicily and Tunisia. It was considered one of the worst tragedies of the European refugee crisis, but a leaked audiotape published Monday by the magazine L’Espresso suggested that Italian authorities let the Syrians drown despite being alerted several hours earlier that the refugees’ ship was in danger.

On the evening of Oct. 10, 2013, a ship carrying at least 480 people left Zuwarah, in northwestern Libya, headed for Lampedusa. Most of the passengers were Syrians who had left their country for Libya when conflict erupted at home in 2011, and were then forced to flee Libya when fighting broke out there as well.

Their ship sailed until 5 p.m. the next day, when it capsized 61 nautical miles south of Lampedusa. While some of the passengers were rescued by Italian and Maltese ships, the majority died before rescuers arrived. The incident caused a media uproar that contributed to the creation of “Mare Nostrum,” the now-defunct Italian navy search-and-rescue operation (that program was replaced in late 2014 by a smaller-scale E.U. program called “Triton”).

But, until Monday, the public did not know that the refugees had alerted Italian authorities that they were in distress as early as five hours before their ship sank. Even though the refugees’ ship called the Italian coast guard and warned that it was floating adrift, taking on water and had wounded children aboard, Italian authorities refused to intervene for several hours.

L’Espresso published five recordings of separate telephone conversations from the day of the incident. In the first, at 12:39 p.m., passenger Mohanned Jammo, a doctor who survived the shipwreck and who had a smartphone with him, calls the headquarters of the Italian coast guard in Rome asking for help. “The boat is going down” and “water is coming into it,” he says. A woman can be heard asking for his position, which he gives.

At 1:17 p.m., Jammo calls again, asking if the coast guard has sent anyone. He is answered by a man who tells him to call Malta instead. “You are near Malta,” the man claims. In truth, the ship was 61 nautical miles from Lampedusa — but 118 nautical miles from Malta.

In a third conversation, at 1:48 p.m., Jammo again calls the coast guard, saying he called Maltese authorities and was told he is closer to Lampedusa. “Lampedusa is Italy?” he asks. “We are dying, please.”

Although the ship was closer to Italian soil, it was in an area of international waters where Malta holds responsibility for search-and-rescue missions under European agreements. But, at the time, Italy had a military vessel about 20 nautical miles from the refugees’ ship, while Malta’s closest ship was 70 nautical miles away. Fabrizio Gatti, the investigative reporter who obtained the recordings, said in a telephone conversation with The Washington Post that the Italian ship, as the closest ship able to help, was obligated to rescue the refugees under international maritime law.

Gatti said he obtained the recordings from “sources in Malta,” who leaked the tapes on the condition of anonymity. He verified the tapes by comparing them with other recordings in possession of Italy’s judicial authorities, who are leading an investigation into the incident. Gatti argued that the tapes show that Italian authorities usually delayed in trying to rescue ships rather than moving immediately.

Gatti refused to speculate about the political implications of the tapes, but the leak comes at a time when anti-refugee sentiment is running high in Italy and nongovernmental organizations that help rescue migrants at sea have been accused of encouraging illegal immigration.

A fourth tape shows that Maltese authorities were willing to take command of the rescue mission but asked their Italian counterparts to send their nearby ship. The Italians refused.

In a gut-wrenching conversation at 4:44 p.m., an Italian coast guard officer tells the Maltese navy that Italy would not move the ship because it “represents an important asset in order to spot new targets” — and because that would put Italy “in charge of transfer to the nearest coast.”

At that point, Malta sent a surveillance plane to check on the refugees. At 5:07 p.m., the Maltese called the Italians, telling them that the refugees’ ship had capsized. They urged the Italians to send their ship because their own would not arrive in time to save the Syrians. Only then did Italy agree to send its ship.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ed-audio/?tid=sm_tw_pw&utm_term=.5ba0bd1a1d78

To be honest,the Italian Navy/coast guard have done a very commendable job these past years saving the lives of tens of thousands immigrants and incurring heavy costs in doing so(manning/patrolling these vessels constantly doesn't comes cheap) So i don't think they should be judged on just one incident(where we are not even sure about the facts as of now).

 

[desiHindu]

Even Iranians are migrating to the West and seeking asylum to be honest, so i don't think many migrants will be willing to migrate to Iran giving the country's 'relatively' low living standards and inadequate job opportunities there. For KSA, it's true many migrants can migrate there(which i believe some do to some extent) but giving the country's 'perceived ' social/religious laws which many consider too harsh many migrants will still prefer migrating to Europe than towards KSA.

Sir, then the logic of these people dying due to ships sinking is purely due to them wanting a luxurious life than anything to do with what's happening in their countries.

India is not a rich nation, yet, we open our arms to any Hindu persecuted anywhere on earth.

Either the narrative of these people being "refugees" should stop or they need to go to their people. So, what if they are not as luxurious as Europe? Are the refugees looking for luxury or safety?

People of Europe have realized this in your face, dead body drama, being thrusted down their throats and they don't seem to like it.

To be honest,the Italian Navy/coast guard have done a very commendable job these past years saving the lives of tens of thousands immigrants and incurring heavy costs in doing so

Exactly why these "refugees" instead of going to their Ummah brothers go to comfort zones in Europe.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Sir, then the logic of these people dying due to ships sinking is purely due to them wanting a luxurious life than anything to do with what's happening in their countries.

India is not a rich nation, yet, we open our arms to any Hindu persecuted anywhere on earth.

Either the narrative of these people being "refugees" should stop or they need to go to their people. So, what if they are not as luxurious as Europe? Are the refugees looking for luxury or safety?

People of Europe have realized this in your face, dead body drama, being thrusted down their throats and they don't seem to like it.
.

Well, i believe people are aware many of these migrants are not refugees per se. They are for the most part economic immigrants in search of a better life. It's a dilemna for European countries to be honest, since it's difficult to deport them once they step foot on european soil(even for those who come here illegally and are known by authorities) it's hard to deport them giving european laws and convention of human rights. Plus, Deportation is barred for those who cannot get passports from their home countries, or who have medical problems and some countries, particularly in Africa, refuse to take their citizens back. The result is a fast-growing population of immigrants who have no right to remain. So it's a tricky situation.

 

[desiHindu]

since it's difficult to deport them once they step foot on european soil

Spot on sir.

If they are refugees, they have better places to go than Europe, where they will be welcomed as their own.
These people take advantage of Europe laws, kindness and spit in their faces.

 

[Trichy]

You are seriously and dangerously mentally challenged if you seriously think Arabs haven't taken in refugees.

i dont seen anyone except turkey so i ask, if you know they do means tell the details, else keep calm, i ask a doubt for that dont rant unwanted words first.

 

[LA se Karachi]

i dont seen anyone except turkey so i ask, if you know they do means tell the details, else keep calm, i ask a doubt for that dont rant unwanted words first.

Syrian refugees registered in neighbouring countries: taken from UNHCR asylum applications by Syrian nationals from April 2011 - November 2015

 

[Trichy]

Your are just either... a troll... or really asking for pity...

GO check Syrian refugees in Turkey/Lebanon/Iraq/Jordan... even here in Tunisia( around 15-30K) and some in GCC...

Enjoy... http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php

NExt time... try to make it better will you... at least you will not pass for a complet ****

thanks for your info, i only know about turkey nothing else, in that link too there is no reference/data for EU and Rich GCC. if you get tab me.

Syrian refugees registered in neighbouring countries: taken from UNHCR asylum applications by Syrian nationals from April 2011 - November 2015

thanks for your info, if refugees can reach upto Sweden and UK but not to RSA/UAE/QUTAR/OMAN/YEMEN/IRAN etc.. this is my question why Super Rich dont take responsibility...

 

[LA se Karachi]

thanks for your info, if refugees can reach upto Sweden and UK but not to RSA/UAE/QUTAR/OMAN/YEMEN/IRAN etc.. this is my question why Super Rich dont take responsibility...

Yemen is a poor country currently engulfed in an internal conflict. It's sad that you don't know that.

There are many ways to contribute. Some wealthy gulf states with a relatively small population may not have a lot of livable space and arable land (especially given that they are hosting many foreign nationals in their country already---though not refugees).

They are contributing financially though. More so than many other countries with a larger GDP:

You are right though that Iran is not doing anything.

 

[mike2000 is back]

They are contributing financially though. More so than many other countries with a larger GDP:

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You are right though that Iran is not doing anything.

Why should Iran contribute when they themselves are still a relatively poor country? Plus they have been spending billions for their war effort in Syria and Iraq and financing Shia rebel groups like hezbollah. All these costs a lot as well. So it's undeatandable they don't spend that much for Syrian refugees

 

[Penguin]

From now on EU UN and USA has no right to cry for humanity and it's rights

Oh, and which countries do? Based on what?

>> BS comment.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Why should Iran contribute when they themselves are still a relatively poor country? Plus they have been spending billions for their war effort in Syria and Iraq and financing Shia rebel groups like hezbollah. All these costs a lot as well. So it's undeatandable they don't spend that much for Syrian refugees

Majority of refugees from Syria are from Muslim Sunni faith... therefore Iran has no interest in it... Till this day Iran send aid package inside Assad - Shia Majority region/city of Syria only ...

 

[Penguin]

Why bring up Turkey into this? I suppose this is all Erdogan's fault lol

Because I was in a discussion with Hannibal Barca, and that's his home base. I like people - including myself - to take a look first at how their own country is doing, before criticising others. That's why.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Because I was in a discussion with Hannibal Barca, and that's his home base. I like people - including myself - to take a look first at how their own country is doing, before criticising others. That's why.

I ain't from Turkey... Don't worry.. your not the first...neither the last.
Therefore My critics were rightful...