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On economical perspective, China and US are deeply interrelated that any open conflict will disrupt the connection and send both economies and everyone else’s into massive chaos. Just imagine what is going to happen next week’s treasury bill auction. The impact to American financial architecture will be unprecedented.

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Only CN fall into chaos. Trump is too idiot when cancelling TPP which use VN as manufacturing hub to replace CN, so now he pay so high price.

If Trump still refuse to admit that TPP is the best way to defeat CN, then Joe biden wt support from Obama may win the election and TPP may restart again .

All TPP nation will win, only none TPP like CN fall into chaos:cool:
 
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Hi,

Please share with your dad---we are not a rabbit---we are not prey---.

The general geography is such that you cannot bleed the americans---. They are 50 nations in one nation---. To understand them a little bit---you have to live with them---.

America is the land of sons and daughter whose parents came to this land under dire circumstances with a death sentence hanging over their heads---while in transit thru their journey on the high seas or after they had landed or after they started their inevitable march towards west---.

Come take a 3000 miles thru the continental united states thru winter by car and just start to imagine you your wife your little daught 4 horses or Oxens in the front of the cart maybe a dog a flint lock rifle a flintlock pistol an axe and shovel and you are a part of a caravan travelling on snow topped dirt / muddy road trying to reach across the continent to the west coast---.

Unless you know them---you would not know the tenacity and hardiness of the americans---.

As for confronting them---why would you do that---as there is no reason---.

Allah has given us brains and allowed us to use those brains---.

Instead of thinking like a rabbit---start thinking that you are a NATION STATE---. A nation state mean that you have to have laws reflecting a nation state---. It also means that you cannot allow 'tribal laws' personal vendetta---or " we have been doing it this way for centuries mantra ".

A nation state means that there is no such thing as " Pashtun Wali " when it comes to foreign national living in your country---.

If a pashtun says he has given refuge---okay--give the person refuge in your own personal house / property as an individual and the govt can come and destroy it at will when it wants to along with the foreigner and you---.

But your " Pashtun wali " cannot hold a nation the hostage for a world super power---.

But going back---you cannot allow someone to plan a decide attacks from your house on foreign lands and you still claim " Pashtun wali "---. You do not have the authority to destroy the nation and its population---.

But how despicable of a character a person is who sits in your house---plans and attacks another country without taking you into confidence and in the end destroys your family and tribe and in the meantime he is fkin his 14 years old bride---.

Someone tell me of the level of stupidity this is---.

It was just like yesterday---the good old boys americans hated the " Christ Killers " the jews---should the jew have acted like a rabbit---no they devised strategy and tactics to overcome the divisive factor and succeeded---.



Hi,

The US has not done anything to us but rather supported us---. Dig deeper and you will find that it was us who deceived them more than them---.

I have written here many a times about our nuc program and have stated that we got the nucs because of the american blessing---.

Now look back---Bhutto comes to power and say we need a nuc and the scientists say we will build you one---.

I have never brought this thing up before---but I will do now---.

Have you ever thought from where did those nuc building scientists suddenly popped up right from day one---.

You have to had working scientists in that field for decades a multitude of PhD's working in the nuc enrichment plants somewhere in the western world long before we decided to have nucs---.

There must be some place from where these scientists popped up and manufactured the nuc on the run---.


What I am saying is---don't make an enemy where there is none---Don't create animosity where there is none---.

@Mangus Ortus Novem

@MastanKhan,

The reason for the rabbit analysis is exactly as you have stated we have no cohesion internally. We're divided among Punjabi's, Sindhi's, etc., then were further divided among Jatts, Rajputs, on top of that we have tribal divisions, and then religious divisions sunni's and Shia's, etc.., you've seen it all explode on this forum as well.

We've left ourselves to be open on multiple fronts and all the West has to do is pick one up and start the fire -- hence I have to agree besides him being my father his analysis is correct. We all seen it play out in the Middle East. Wasn’t Saddam the Wests darling at one point, until the West discarded him like a used condom.

As I will further explain:

I've been in the U.S. since the age of 2. I've dealt with American's far more than you seeing their mind set develop from Pre-K to University level and into business (as clients and personal friends) and traveled across the U.S. for personal and business reasons. Not once will you see an American talk about this Scottish Origin and what clan he hails from and which region of Scotland he hails from - Never. They are thought one thing alone and that's Americanism -- tell me you've grown up in Pakistan before migrating to U.S., have you had that experience learning about Pakistanism? My father growing up and including my relatives serving in Pakistan Military currently not once were they taught along that line -- they've not been taught to be one unit and to forgo other loyalties. Even till now you have families deciding not to marry their sons or daughters into a Sheikh or Pathaan family due to stereo types.

As for those American's who traveled 3,000 miles across the continent that's all good and all but theirs more to it that's shaped their personality, they discarded everything and accepted Americanism, but if these people have you as a target they'll make sure to take you out. You might not want think about it, you can plan as much you want unless you kill the traitors and solidify internally they'll pick you off one by one -- if they don't want to fight you right of the back they'll kill you with sanctions before dealing the final blow. How many treaties did these people renegade on with the Natives, these same natives who taught pilgrims how to plant crops and now sitting in reservation camps.

Right after 9/11 happened during my high school years sitting in class with friends, I’ve grown up with hanging outside, playing together the previous 10 years immediately brought out the nasty nature of these people who I ended up fighting physically in class rooms and outside. For them it’s only one thing a White Christian America, you can pamper them or be nice as much you want but their self interest will allow them to throw everything under the bus. Hence you have to be ready with any sort of plan for a confrontation.

Pakistan in the past has done lots for the American's to develop a strong relationship -- joined them in the Allied Camp against USSR -- jointed CENTO among other alliances only to be drop kicked when the time came for any assistance. With friends like this who the **** needs enemies.

I'm not saying we confront them head on or anything -- but keep a social distance of 6,000 miles away, because they are fatal when up close.

As for the Jews, they let everything go no Russian, Polish Jewery etc., they rallied around their overall Jewish roots which allowed them to work as one unit. They developed themselves in finance, law and science and punched beyond there weight and most importantly had a fixed target (Arabs & Muslims) to rally around.

Our nation can’t even do the most basic like the Jews to rally around against our common enemy India; where you have celebrity’s talking about Aman Ki Asha and selling themselves short for money.

You can only think as a "NATION STATE" when you let everything else die out -- and let Nationalism take hold. Until then you'll be a rabbit and a prey.
 
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You are boiling my blood. I feel terrible that I was useless and couldn't help my afghan brethren from the atrocities that they faced. I feel solace knowing that Taliban have won the war and as prophesied, they will take down all oppressors, ultimately establishing the Just Islamic rule, under the leadership of Esa A.S.?

Hi,

The only way could have helped them was to kill OBL before the invasion of afghanistan---otherwise you are as guilty of the murder of afghans as anyone can be---.

Pakistanis have built palaces of imaginations over the dead mutiliated bodies of over two million afghans and do their victory dance---.

If two million pakistanis were dead due to the war and pakistan's economy decimated---you can well imagine how pakistanis would be crying---.

So---please stop this 'Victory' dance---. Afghans did not win---the US got tired of killing the Afghans---.

The purpose of my post was how out of touch are pakistanis from the reality and how many bad decisions did the taliban made against the US---.

The purpose of my posts was to make the pakistanis understand that akistan comes first and not a Osama Bin Laden who was rejected by hos own country---brought death and destruction to afghanistan and was screwing a 14 year old virgin while thousand of afghans were dying---.

And your blood did not boil over the atrocities committed by Osama and the deceit committed by Osama Bin Laden against the afghans and you would rather have your blood boiling to go to fight the americans---. Your blood did not boil that this old coot was crewing his 14 year old bride while hiding in pakistan---what kind of character is this---. As a pakistani you should have been screaming at Osama Bin Laden at the top of your head and yet---!!!!

You kids are the true enemies of pakistan
 
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Hi,

The only way could have helped them was to kill OBL before the invasion of afghanistan---otherwise you are as guilty of the murder of afghans as anyone can be---.

Pakistanis have built palaces of imaginations over the dead mutiliated bodies of over two million afghans and do their victory dance---.

If two million pakistanis were dead due to the war and pakistan's economy decimated---you can well imagine how pakistanis would be crying---.

So---please stop this 'Victory' dance---. Afghans did not win---the US got tired of killing the Afghans---.

The US was out for blood and just killing OBL wouldn’t have stopped them it’s just wishful thinking, but we can agree to disagree. But, yes, this war was by no means a victory.
 
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The US was out for blood and just killing OBL wouldn’t have stopped them it’s just wishful thinking, but we can agree to disagree. But, yes, this war was by no means a victory.

Hi,

You had your chance given to you to kill Osama Bin Laden---you should have killed him and given his body to the US---. The US had waited for that---that is why pakistan was talking to the taliban---would have totally fizzled out.

As you did not help kill Osama at that time---you just simply cannot claim that the US would not have done otherwise---.

You have to do your part first and then expect a result in your favor---.
 
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Hi,

You had your chance given to you to kill Osama Bin Laden---you should have killed him and given his body to the US---. The US had waited for that---that is why pakistan was talking to the taliban---would have totally fizzled out of thin air.

As you did not help kill Osama at that time---you just simply cannot claim that the US would not have done otherwise---.

You have to do your part first and then expect a result in your favor---.

They would have found/created another OBL had the Taliban handed him over. The American imagination has no bounds in creating another boogey man.

Overall, after the Afghan - USSR War we should have gone in and some how made Afghan part of Pakistan that was Zia’s ultimate plan which collapsed after he died. We didn’t do our part in rehabilitating the country either, these refugees could have been resettle back home and acting as our ambassadors to tell future generations how we took care of them but we dropped the call all over the place.
 
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Hi,

A living OBL gave the americans the reason to let their military carry on---.

A dead OBL at Tora Bora could have brought an end or a closing to a chapter of deaths and destruction.

Remember when OBL escaped thru Tora Bora---the US had hardly any military on the ground in AFG---.

The former US agent died in 2002 in Tora Bora from lack of dialysis, he was a kidney patient and needed constant treatment.

Everything afterwards, including the doctored videos found by American soldiers and the faked killing in Abottabad were just smokes and mirrors.

Isn't it conveyed by Pakistani generals that USA landed in Afghanistan with the military strength of around 200K along with Air force because Pakistan was the target?

Similarly, they have backed indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan and sponsored the likes of PPP and PMLN...

As I know it. USA was friends only when soviet union existed and Pakistan was the only country in the region who was a US ally. Obviously they helped us with a lot of stuff.

But USA has a religious agenda. And they cant tolerate any strong muslim country. Surely they didnt take Taliban down because of that 911 farce. They took it down because they did not want a caliphate to rise to power.

My 2 cents.

Americans take religion as a part of their nationalism, Christianity is actually dead as a belief system in America and is subservient to the American secularist Godless deepstate.

The focus on Muslims is due to the influence of Jews on the American minds. It is the Jews who fear Muslims the most, to the extent that they study our religious scriptures.

@MastanKhan,

The reason for the rabbit analysis is exactly as you have stated we have no cohesion internally. We're divided among Punjabi's, Sindhi's, etc., then were further divided among Jatts, Rajputs, on top of that we have tribal divisions, and then religious divisions sunni's and Shia's, etc.., you've seen it all explode on this forum as well.

We've left ourselves to be open on multiple fronts and all the West has to do is pick one up and start the fire -- hence I have to agree besides him being my father his analysis is correct. We all seen it play out in the Middle East. Wasn’t Saddam the Wests darling at one point, until the West discarded him like a used condom.

As I will further explain:

I've been in the U.S. since the age of 2. I've dealt with American's far more than you seeing their mind set develop from Pre-K to University level and into business (as clients and personal friends) and traveled across the U.S. for personal and business reasons. Not once will you see an American talk about this Scottish Origin and what clan he hails from and which region of Scotland he hails from - Never. They are thought one thing alone and that's Americanism -- tell me you've grown up in Pakistan before migrating to U.S., have you had that experience learning about Pakistanism? My father growing up and including my relatives serving in Pakistan Military currently not once were they taught along that line -- they've not been taught to be one unit and to forgo other loyalties. Even till now you have families deciding not to marry their sons or daughters into a Sheikh or Pathaan family due to stereo types.

As for those American's who traveled 3,000 miles across the continent that's all good and all but theirs more to it that's shaped their personality, they discarded everything and accepted Americanism, but if these people have you as a target they'll make sure to take you out. You might not want think about it, you can plan as much you want unless you kill the traitors and solidify internally they'll pick you off one by one -- if they don't want to fight you right of the back they'll kill you with sanctions before dealing the final blow. How many treaties did these people renegade on with the Natives, these same natives who taught pilgrims how to plant crops and now sitting in reservation camps.

Right after 9/11 happened during my high school years sitting in class with friends, I’ve grown up with hanging outside, playing together the previous 10 years immediately brought out the nasty nature of these people who I ended up fighting physically in class rooms and outside. For them it’s only one thing a White Christian America, you can pamper them or be nice as much you want but their self interest will allow them to throw everything under the bus. Hence you have to be ready with any sort of plan for a confrontation.

Pakistan in the past has done lots for the American's to develop a strong relationship -- joined them in the Allied Camp against USSR -- jointed CENTO among other alliances only to be drop kicked when the time came for any assistance. With friends like this who the **** needs enemies.

I'm not saying we confront them head on or anything -- but keep a social distance of 6,000 miles away, because they are fatal when up close.

As for the Jews, they let everything go no Russian, Polish Jewery etc., they rallied around their overall Jewish roots which allowed them to work as one unit. They developed themselves in finance, law and science and punched beyond there weight and most importantly had a fixed target (Arabs & Muslims) to rally around.

Our nation can’t even do the most basic like the Jews to rally around against our common enemy India; where you have celebrity’s talking about Aman Ki Asha and selling themselves short for money.

You can only think as a "NATION STATE" when you let everything else die out -- and let Nationalism take hold. Until then you'll be a rabbit and a prey.

I have had much the same experiences as you have had growing up in the US.

The American nature is very tribalistic and violent, and cannot tolerate alternative points of view. Muslims in general in the US avoid topics of politics, because the Americans cannot digest truth.

The idea that America is an oppressor and murderer is unthinkable for them. All blood of others is halal for them. They are 'God' on Earth, as they believe there is no God besides them.

We should not be frightened or timid because of this bullying tactic, but understand the psyche. It comes from a weakness, a fear of death, poverty, loss, and the unknown. It is an overcompensation.

Muslims need not be fearful. Allah swt is on our side. If we are killed or stricken by homelessness, destitution, then it is Allah swt alone who will suffice for us.

The Taliban's victory over the US and unyielding opposition to their puppets should give us solace. The wars of the future will be won by patience and resilience. All the technological prowess of the West could not bring goat herders, shepherds, and farmers to their knees.

Now that US is going from Afghanistan, it is time for Pakistan to shine.
 
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The former US agent died in 2002 in Tora Bora from lack of dialysis, he was a kidney patient and needed constant treatment.

Everything afterwards, including the doctored videos found by American soldiers and the faked killing in Abottabad were just smokes and mirrors.



Americans take religion as a part of their nationalism, Christianity is actually dead as a belief system in America and is subservient to the American secularist Godless deepstate.

The focus on Muslims is due to the influence of Jews on the American minds. It is the Jews who fear Muslims the most, to the extent that they study our religious scriptures.



I have had much the same experiences as you had had growing up in the US.

The American nature is very tribalism and violent, and cannot tolerate alternative points of view. Muslims in general in the US avoid topics of politics, because the Americans cannot digest truth.

The idea that America is an oppressor and murderer is unthinkable for them. All blood of others is halal for them. They are 'God' on Earth, as they believe there is no God besides them.

We should not be frightened or timid because of this bullying tactic, but understand the psyche. It comes from a weakness, a fear of death, poverty, loss, and the unknown. It is an overcompensation.

Muslims need not be fearful. Allah swt is on our side. If we are killed or stricken by homelessness, destitution, then it is Allah swt alone who will suffice for us.

The Taliban's victory over the US and unyielding opposition to their puppets should give us solace. The wars of the future will be won by patience and resilience. All the technological prowess of the West could not bring goat herders, shepherds, and farmers to their knees.

Now that US is going from Afghanistan, it is time for Pakistan to shine.

Hi,

If Pak knew OBL was sick---then there was more reason NOT to kill him sooner---and handed him over to the americans---.

I don't believe in his death---. His young teenage bride was at Abbotabad with her young kids---.
 
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Hi,

Young man---I was the first ever person on this forum who wrote about the evangelists on this forum for over one and a half decade ago when paksiatnis had no clue who they were---. Evangelists call themselves 'christians' ---according to them the other christian faiths are not christians---they basically are the shia type of christianity---.

Evangelists don't consider the jews as christ killer now---they have changed their stance---now they believe to convert the jews to evangelist type of christianity as the second coming of christ takes plave---.

Evangelists have great relationship with israel---and give them all the support that they can and force the govt to do so---.

This current switch to favoring israel after Pres Clinton came during the tenure of Pres George Bush Jr who is an evangelist---and thus the change occured---.

Now these evangeklists and the Taliban have same kind of thinking and mindset---you cannot tell the difference---other than the book and the belief---.



You sure did :tup:
I learned about them from Israr Ahmed.

But that does explain why they supported israel - the illegal and terrorist state.

It is also known that USA provided a lot of military support to them in the first war against Arabs. Their simple is no reason for them to be doing that other than having a religious agenda...

I mean they do not need an "israel" to sell weapons to arabs, they have iran for that. And Arabs can fight each other for whatever reason, they also had Turkey, who has been their ally for some time. And Turkey/Arab rivalry is well known, there simply was no reason for them to support the illegal and terrorist state..

And they specifically targeted and took out all the strong muslim countries in the middle east who could have been a threat to israel - the illegal and terrorist state.

Hi,

The only way could have helped them was to kill OBL before the invasion of afghanistan---otherwise you are as guilty of the murder of afghans as anyone can be---.

Pakistanis have built palaces of imaginations over the dead mutiliated bodies of over two million afghans and do their victory dance---.

If two million pakistanis were dead due to the war and pakistan's economy decimated---you can well imagine how pakistanis would be crying---.

So---please stop this 'Victory' dance---. Afghans did not win---the US got tired of killing the Afghans---.

The purpose of my post was how out of touch are pakistanis from the reality and how many bad decisions did the taliban made against the US---.

The purpose of my posts was to make the pakistanis understand that akistan comes first and not a Osama Bin Laden who was rejected by hos own country---brought death and destruction to afghanistan and was screwing a 14 year old virgin while thousand of afghans were dying---.

And your blood did not boil over the atrocities committed by Osama and the deceit committed by Osama Bin Laden against the afghans and you would rather have your blood boiling to go to fight the americans---. Your blood did not boil that this old coot was crewing his 14 year old bride while hiding in pakistan---what kind of character is this---. As a pakistani you should have been screaming at Osama Bin Laden at the top of your head and yet---!!!!

You kids are the true enemies of pakistan

I do not have any sympathy for Osama Bin Laden. Osama bin laden was just a hyped up boogey man, an excuse to attack afghanistan, there was simply no reason for USA to be attacking Afghanistan. You make it seem like handing Osama over to them would have avoided the war, it wouldn't have, they would have made up another excuse.

Abotabad was a farce and a fake operation to bring Obama to power. That is well known and understood. We still have no idea who they killed in that place, they threw the body in the river, instead of burying him like one would bury a Muslim.
 
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You sure did :tup:
I learned about them from Israr Ahmed.

But that does explain why they supported israel - the illegal and terrorist state.

It is also known that USA provided a lot of military support to them in the first war against Arabs. Their simple is no reason for them to be doing that other than having a religious agenda...

I mean they do not need an "israel" to sell weapons to arabs, they have iran for that. And Arabs can fight each other for whatever reason, they also had Turkey, who has been their ally for some time. And Turkey/Arab rivalry is well known, there simply was no reason for them to support the illegal and terrorist state..

And they specifically targeted and took out all the strong muslim countries in the middle east who could have been a threat to israel - the illegal and terrorist state.

If you read Samuel P. Huntington's book The Clash of Civilization, he clearly mentioned that after the Cold War there would be a new war based on Religious Affiliation; under this will be many sub categories to covertly support the Religious Conflict based on the need of resources Oil, Water, Raw Material, these will be used as pretext to support conflicts in the region.

- Christians+Jews (together with Hindus)
- Muslims
- Chinese (Atheist)
- Russians (Orthodox)

The Chinese will be the wild card hence economically and militarily we need to align ourselves with them. Then there is the Russian Factor, the Muslims can try to align with for military support.

Remember in the Hadith it's stated: Muslims will align with "Good Christians" for The Great Battle, we have to dig deeper and see who they are, the West with immorality, LGBT acceptance can't be deemed good Christians. The Orthodox Church shuns all that, and wants to follow a purer form of Christianity which the Russians support.
 
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If you read Samuel P. Huntington's book The Clash of Civilization, he clearly mentioned that after the Cold War there would be a new war based on Religious Affiliation; under this will be many sub categories to covertly support the Religious Conflict based on the need of resources Oil, Water, Raw Material, these will be used as pretext to support conflicts in the region.

- Christians+Jews (together with Hindus)
- Muslims
- Chinese (Atheist)
- Russians (Orthodox)

I didn't know about this book. Thanks for increasing my knowledge on the subject.

Its is unsurprising that it is all as per Prophet S.A.W's prophecies.

The Chinese will be the wild card hence economically and militarily we need to align ourselves with them.

Yes. But then we need to keep in mind, that they are a wild card after all. Chines are atheist, they will ally with no one. The alliance will only last as long as there is a power that even the Chinese fear (west). I fear the day of Chinese rule more than I fear the western rule. It will be the bloodiest and merciless part of the human history.

Then there is the Russian Factor, the Muslims can try to align with for military support.

Remember in the Hadith it's stated: Muslims will align with "Good Christians" for The Great Battle, we have to dig deeper and see who they are, the West with immorality, LGBT acceptance can't be deemed good Christians. The Orthodox Church shuns all that, and wants to follow a purer form of Christianity which the Russians support.

I was gonna quote the same prophecy. But you already know about it. So good to know about the people who have great knowledge of their deen. We need a lot more people like you.
 
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They would have found/created another OBL had the Taliban handed him over. The American imagination has no bounds in creating another boogey man.

Overall, after the Afghan - USSR War we should have gone in and some how made Afghan part of Pakistan that was Zia’s ultimate plan which collapsed after he died. We didn’t do our part in rehabilitating the country either, these refugees could have been resettle back home and acting as our ambassadors to tell future generations how we took care of them but we dropped the call all over the place.

Hi,

Then you plan another plan against what they created---. That is what nations do---take it one step at a time---.

This is an absolutely shocking response from so many pakistanis---it is amazing---.

Like the deceit has never happened for a second time or a third time before and you have never reacted to the 2nd and the 3rd deceit---giving an excuse---we don't react to 2nd and 3rd time deceits because the enemy or the opponent woud create a 4th and a 5th deceit---.
 
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Its the 9/11 moment again too.


Hopefully the Chinese are compiling enough facts to prove the US did the coronavirus.

There are hundreds of pieces of evidence that 9/11 was done by the Bushes and other nazis and zionists.

9/11 and lies about WMDs implicates trump in this coronavirus. Spread the truth about 9/11 being an inside job and China is defended from lies.
 
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Hi,

It is about time for another blame game---. Last time the world saw middle east decimated by that little vial of a glass tube that Gen Collin Powell waved in the UN assembly forum---.

This time it would be Pres. Trump waving a tube that is supposedly of COVID 19 made in Wuhan China---.

The stage is being prepped and setup for the disclosure and the proof is being gathered by any mean possible---.

The US has fixated its sights on china---. Virus has created devastation in the USA as it has in many other nations---.

The world is being readied for another conflict---. Supposed proof is being gathered and will be put together in way that all fingers would be pointing towards Wuhan---.

Terrible times ahead for the world---.
US wants to economic target China and Is trying to gather up momentum to isolate China. So far Europeans aren’t buying it, due to different reasons.
 
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US wants to economic target China and Is trying to gather up momentum to isolate China. So far Europeans aren’t buying it, due to different reasons.

Based on your experience do you feel eventually we’ll be in a conflict in the future?

Even an economic conflict can turn into military if damage reaches a certain threshold.
 
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