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It Is The WMD Moment Once Again For The USA:---

Hi,

It is about time for another blame game---. Last time the world saw middle east decimated by that little vial of a glass tube that Gen Collin Powell waved in the UN assembly forum---.

This time it would be Pres. Trump waving a tube that is supposedly of COVID 19 made in Wuhan China---.

The stage is being prepped and setup for the disclosure and the proof is being gathered by any mean possible---.

The US has fixated its sights on china---. Virus has created devastation in the USA as it has in many other nations---.

The world is being readied for another conflict---. Supposed proof is being gathered and will be put together in way that all fingers would be pointing towards Wuhan---.

Terrible times ahead for the world---.






Disagree. The americans ONLY fight with poverty stricken nations who have NO WAY of fighting back. Even then, they still get slapped around and humiliated like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan.........:lol:



China is the new bogeyman that the americans will focus their unquenching hatred towards. Expect continued demonization of China by the American media in the coming months.
 
Hmm. May be you are right, may be you are wrong, I dont know.

I believe that USA would have found another excuse to attack Afghanistan.

Hi,

How many different ways would you try to not get into a confrontaion with someone more powerful than you---.

Disagree. The americans ONLY fight with poverty stricken nations who have NO WAY of fighting back. Even then, they still get slapped around and humiliated like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan.........:lol:
China is the new bogeyman that the americans will focus their unquenching hatred towards. Expect continued demonization of China by the American media in the coming months.

Powerful nations cow down---they already know what will happen to them---. They are smart---they won't do anything to confront the US---.
 
As for china---. The US has developed a proportional response for any wannabe super power---the multiplier effect destruction of the initial american strike is far beyond the imagination for an extremely developed nation like China---.

Whereas china has just become capable of fighting any other supposed super power other than the US and over power them---the US is a different story---.

The US military might is on a totally different plateau---the out of proportionality of which has never been seen or known in the history of mankind---.

That was an insightful though a not very encouraging post.

Iraq, Afghanistan, vietnam, syria... all are nations with no capacity whatsoever to stand against the US in a conventional conflict, yet your words suggest that even well armed nations would suffer a similar fate, did the US ever engage a power that can strike it back on its own soil ?

I supppse we will have our answer in the aftermath of the corona virus chapter.
 
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That was an insightful though a not very encouraging post.

Iraq, Afghanistan, vietnam, syria... all are nations with no capacity whatsoever to stand against the US in a conventional conflict, yet your words suggest that even well armed nations would suffer a similar fate, how much experience does the US army have fighting a major power like China ? Did the US ever engage a power that can strike it back on its own soil ?

Computer measured the extent of fury of our first nuclear device back in the 80's so we never conducted a live test until pokhran hit the fan coz our survival was at stake.
 
Computer measured the extent of fury of our first nuclear device back in the 80's so we never conducted a live test until pokhran hit the fan coz our survival was at stake.
Exactly.

Hi,

How many different ways would you try to not get into a confrontaion with someone more powerful than you---.
We both are saying the same thing, we just reach different conclusion. You are implying that we should do everything in our power avoid confrontation with USA.

I am saying we simply have no other choice, sooner or later, we will have to confront them, if not by choice, then we will be forced to.
 
Hi,

The US and USSR had no personal enmity---. OTOH---muslims ruled india for some 700-800 years---.

Some indians say that muslim rulers committed horrendous atrocites against the hindus---other say not so much---and some say they committed as much as any other hindu ruler did.

But the Hindus have sworn to revenge for that 800 years rule---and they have openly stated that they are going to decimate us---and have tried at different times.

Young man---in what other language do you want to hear this to understand---. The hindus have shown a total commitment to their cause and belief---.

The US wanted a crutch an excuse to invest in defense production to create jobs.

That is why it created an enemy---the communist---socialism---socialist---. It worked very well for them---. Their defense industry brought a boom---jobs were created---new technology came about that got transfered over to civilian beneficial technology---.

A lots of good came out of it---.

But between India and Pakistan---all there is---is death destruction chaos and mayhem waiting to happen---.

Our hatred are 1000 years deep---. They won't be resolved on the PEACE table---but thru the death destruction submission of the other party even if it may bring about our demise and that of the known world as well---.
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Hi,

How many different ways would you try to not get into a confrontaion with someone more powerful than you---.



Powerful nations cow down---they already know what will happen to them---. They are smart---they won't do anything to confront the US---.


I was having a debate with my father the other day on a very similar topic what Pakistan can do to avoid being the target of US and other powers. He said, when a rabbit see's his hunter, he'll hop in all directs to avoid becoming a prey, eventually he will be in the mouth of the predator as that is the reality. Eventually, you will have to confront them, maybe not today but sometimes in the future. It's how the weak and strong are sorted out. Only way to fight the US is to bleed them over a long period of time and hit them where it hurts the most there economy, very few if any nations are capable of doing this single handily unless they create some sort of block.

As for China and US, there can only be one King in a pride of lions, and they will have to duke it out. Could it happen directly? Possible or the other alternative is using proxy nations to wage an undeclared war.
 
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Hi,

How many different ways would you try to not get into a confrontaion with someone more powerful than you---.



Powerful nations cow down---they already know what will happen to them---. They are smart---they won't do anything to confront the US---.




More like the americans won't do anything to mess with the Chinese. americans always need someone to focus their extreme hatred on. Here is a chronology of their hate starting from the 20th century:

1923 - 1992: Communists and Blacks
1992 - 2001: Blacks and Mexicans
2001- 2020: Muslims particularly Brown/Olive-skinned Muslims
2020 - ?: The Chinese Superpower
 
I was having a debate with my father the other day on a very similar topic what Pakistan can do to avoid being the target of US and other powers. He said, when a rabbit see's his hunter, he'll hop in all directs to avoid becoming a prey, eventually he will be in the mouth of the predator as that is the reality. Eventually, you will have to confront them, maybe not today but sometimes in the future. It's how the weak and strong are sorted out. Only way to fight the US is to bleed them over a long period of time and hit them where it hurts the most there economy, very few if any nations are capable of doing this single handily unless they create some sort of block.

As for China and US, there can only be one King in a pride of lions, and they will have to duke it out. Could it happen directly? Possible or the other alternative is using proxy nations to wage an undeclared war.

Hi,

Please share with your dad---we are not a rabbit---we are not prey---.

The general geography is such that you cannot bleed the americans---. They are 50 nations in one nation---. To understand them a little bit---you have to live with them---.

America is the land of sons and daughter whose parents came to this land under dire circumstances with a death sentence hanging over their heads---while in transit thru their journey on the high seas or after they had landed or after they started their inevitable march towards west---.

Come take a 3000 miles thru the continental united states thru winter by car and just start to imagine you your wife your little daught 4 horses or Oxens in the front of the cart maybe a dog a flint lock rifle a flintlock pistol an axe and shovel and you are a part of a caravan travelling on snow topped dirt / muddy road trying to reach across the continent to the west coast---.

Unless you know them---you would not know the tenacity and hardiness of the americans---.

As for confronting them---why would you do that---as there is no reason---.

Allah has given us brains and allowed us to use those brains---.

Instead of thinking like a rabbit---start thinking that you are a NATION STATE---. A nation state mean that you have to have laws reflecting a nation state---. It also means that you cannot allow 'tribal laws' personal vendetta---or " we have been doing it this way for centuries mantra ".

A nation state means that there is no such thing as " Pashtun Wali " when it comes to foreign national living in your country---.

If a pashtun says he has given refuge---okay--give the person refuge in your own personal house / property as an individual and the govt can come and destroy it at will when it wants to along with the foreigner and you---.

But your " Pashtun wali " cannot hold a nation the hostage for a world super power---.

But going back---you cannot allow someone to plan a decide attacks from your house on foreign lands and you still claim " Pashtun wali "---. You do not have the authority to destroy the nation and its population---.

But how despicable of a character a person is who sits in your house---plans and attacks another country without taking you into confidence and in the end destroys your family and tribe and in the meantime he is fkin his 14 years old bride---.

Someone tell me of the level of stupidity this is---.

It was just like yesterday---the good old boys americans hated the " Christ Killers " the jews---should the jew have acted like a rabbit---no they devised strategy and tactics to overcome the divisive factor and succeeded---.

Exactly.


We both are saying the same thing, we just reach different conclusion. You are implying that we should do everything in our power avoid confrontation with USA.

I am saying we simply have no other choice, sooner or later, we will have to confront them, if not by choice, then we will be forced to.

Hi,

The US has not done anything to us but rather supported us---. Dig deeper and you will find that it was us who deceived them more than them---.

I have written here many a times about our nuc program and have stated that we got the nucs because of the american blessing---.

Now look back---Bhutto comes to power and say we need a nuc and the scientists say we will build you one---.

I have never brought this thing up before---but I will do now---.

Have you ever thought from where did those nuc building scientists suddenly popped up right from day one---.

You have to had working scientists in that field for decades a multitude of PhD's working in the nuc enrichment plants somewhere in the western world long before we decided to have nucs---.

There must be some place from where these scientists popped up and manufactured the nuc on the run---.


What I am saying is---don't make an enemy where there is none---Don't create animosity where there is none---.

@Mangus Ortus Novem
 
Hi,

The US has not done anything to us but rather supported us---. Dig deeper and you will find that it was us who deceived them more than them---.

I have written here many a times about our nuc program and have stated that we got the nucs because of the american blessing---.

Now look back---Bhutto comes to power and say we need a nuc and the scientists say we will build you one---.

I have never brought this thing up before---but I will do now---.

Have you ever thought from where did those nuc building scientists suddenly popped up right from day one---.

You have to had working scientists in that field for decades a multitude of PhD's working in the nuc enrichment plants somewhere in the western world long before we decided to have nucs---.

There must be some place from where these scientists popped up and manufactured the nuc on the run---.


What I am saying is---don't make an enemy where there is none---Don't create animosity where there is none---.

@Mangus Ortus Novem

Isn't it conveyed by Pakistani generals that USA landed in Afghanistan with the military strength of around 200K along with Air force because Pakistan was the target?

Similarly, they have backed indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan and sponsored the likes of PPP and PMLN...

As I know it. USA was friends only when soviet union existed and Pakistan was the only country in the region who was a US ally. Obviously they helped us with a lot of stuff.

But USA has a religious agenda. And they cant tolerate any strong muslim country. Surely they didnt take Taliban down because of that 911 farce. They took it down because they did not want a caliphate to rise to power.

My 2 cents.
 
Isn't it conveyed by Pakistani generals that USA landed in Afghanistan with the military strength of around 200K along with Air force because Pakistan was the target?

Similarly, they have backed indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan and sponsored the likes of PPP and PMLN...

As I know it. USA was friends only when soviet union existed and Pakistan was the only country in the region who was a US ally. Obviously they helped us with a lot of stuff.

But USA has a religious agenda. And they cant tolerate any strong muslim country. Surely they didnt take Taliban down because of that 911 farce. They took it down because they did not want a caliphate to rise to power.

My 2 cents.


Hi,

No they did not---. The afg war started with no US troops on the ground but some spec forces and cia people and then northern alliance---.

That is why the US ranger was sitting on the afghan side of Tora Bora and crying his heart out to the head quarters while looking thru his binoculars at OBL escaping on the mountainside trail.

The ranger accordingly did not have enough men with him---anbd the northern alliance Genral Hazrat Ali had made OBL escape Tora Bora---remember---Hazrat Ali was a an Afghanis Shia---did he let OBL intentionally escape even though he had taken 5 million dollars from him as a bribe---.

It is in error what you stated---. US has no agenda against muslims---. Muslims have an agenda against themselves---.

The US has always had very good relationship with all the muslim nation---. It was beyond pakistan's abilities to handle the US---and over the time period it proved correct---.
 
It is in error what you stated---. US has no agenda against muslims---. Muslims have an agenda against themselves---.

The US has always had very good relationship with all the muslim nation---.

Have you not heard about the evangelists? You sure have. Their idea about the second coming of Jesus and to achieve that they must establish the greater israel so that the jesus-killers (jews) can finally be eliminated. Thats the whole reason US has jerusalem to israel - the illegal and terrorist state.

Their is quite literally no reason for them to support that pariah state. Their is a reason that Bush Jr claimed the afgan war a crusader a conquest.
 
Have you not heard about the evangelists? You sure have. Their idea about the second coming of Jesus and to achieve that they must establish the greater israel so that the jesus-killers (jews) can finally be eliminated. Thats the whole reason US has jerusalem to israel - the illegal and terrorist state.

Their is quite literally no reason for them to support that pariah state. Their is a reason that Bush Jr claimed the afghan war a crusader a conquest.

Hi,

Young man---I was the first ever person on this forum who wrote about the evangelists on this forum for over one and a half decade ago when paksiatnis had no clue who they were---. Evangelists call themselves 'christians' ---according to them the other christian faiths are not christians---they basically are the shia type of christianity---.

Evangelists don't consider the jews as christ killer now---they have changed their stance---now they believe to convert the jews to evangelist type of christianity as the second coming of christ takes plave---.

Evangelists have great relationship with israel---and give them all the support that they can and force the govt to do so---.

This current switch to favoring israel after Pres Clinton came during the tenure of Pres George Bush Jr who is an evangelist---and thus the change occured---.

Now these evangeklists and the Taliban have same kind of thinking and mindset---you cannot tell the difference---other than the book and the belief---.


 
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Hi,

Young man---I the first ever person on this forum who wrote about the evangelists on this forum for over one and a half decade ago when paksiatnis had no clue who they were---. Evangelists call themselves 'christians' ---according to them the other christian faiths are not christians---they basically are the shia type of christianity---.

Evangelists don't consider the jews as christ killer now---they have changed their stance---now they believe to convert the jews to evangelist type of christianity as the second coming of christ takes plave---.

Evangelists have great relationship with israel---and give them all the support that they can and force the govt to do so---.

This current switch to favoring israel after Pres Clinton came during the tenure of Pres George Bush Jr who is an evangelist---and thus the change occured---.

Now these evangeklists and the Taliban have same kind of thinking and mindset---you cannot tell the difference---other than the book and the belief---.


Evangelists will probably also be America's undoing.
 
Hi,

North Korea is not going to be destroyed not because it has nucs but because when it gets liberated---it will become a future CHRISTIAN NATION---the american kind---the evangelist kind---.

So---please don't dwell on the no korean nucs---.



Hi,

I did not say that it would---. I stated multiple options---why did you latch onto this one alone---.

What makes you think it won't work---?

Both sides will keep the strikes conventional---. Chinese would want to live to fight for another day---the americans will feel satisfaction and move on---.

Let’s say both parties managed to keep the conflict conventional.

US has already had first hand experience in terms of fighting a conventional war with China- Korean War. China was a backward agricultural country that was mostly in ash of war. The technological gap between US and China at that point was gigantic if stated mildly. If China could go to war and fought really well with America in the 50s, when American military capability was at peak, and without nuclear weapon, it is equally thinkable that China will go to war and fight well today if its core interests are seriously threatened. America knew really well how both armies performed in the battlefield to make a fair assessment as to the likelihood of winning the conflict.

On economical front, China and US are deeply interrelated that any open conflict will disrupt the connection and send both economies and everyone else’s into massive chaos. Just imagine what is going to happen next week’s treasury bill auction. The impact to American financial architecture will be unprecedented.

American people’s war experience has mostly been gained from TV or heroic movies as the adversaries were mostly small developing countries with outdated weaponry somewhere far away. Fighting China means the whole country needs to be mobilized and intense fighting may take place in US soil. This is whole different scenario. I think mostly Chinese would be OK to go to war austerity to support the war effort but I am not sure about US citizens these days.
 
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