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It Hurts Me To See Hinduism Going The Way Of Radical Islam

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I was told by one of my friend that krishna used to live on earth 6 carore years ago. :lol:

And indra mitra and varuna are completely forgotten by Modern hindus.

In Ramayana , Lord Rama performs a penance fasting and meditating in perfect dhyana for three days and three nights and Varuna hasnt responded and Lord Rama arises on the fourth morning, enraged by the Varuna's arrogance. Lord Rama invokes the brahmastra, considered the most powerful weapon capable, Varuna arises out of the oceans, Begging him not to destroy , he suggests that Rama re-direct the weapon at a demonic race that lives in the heart of the ocean. Rama's arrows destroys the demons, and establishes a purer, liberated environment there. Varuna promises that he would keep the oceans still for all of Rama's army to pass, and constructs a bridge (Rama's Bridge) across to Lanka.

Varuna seems to be an Angel of the Supreme Creator. Any Comment ?

Why do u want Hindu buddhist temes in egypt ?

Themes are related to Angels and Jinns,which can be helpful to understand the creation more. All the same Manned Space missions are going to be carried out by ISRO in coming year.

Today's News.

Isro space agency Chairman A S Kiran Kumar said approval for a proposal to build a space station was yet to come.
 
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Whatever Science , we are having its from the religious texts which have been revealed from the Supreme Creator.

Indian Space Programme is having full knowledge of ENT as Indian Scientists are assisted by Dharm Gurus and Ulemas.

You really dont understand how much Indian, Egyptians and Arabs are aware about Jinns/Asuras and Angels/Dev. Where is Arsh e Maula and what is the importance of Haikal Sulaiman and what is the importance of Kailash Mansarovar.

Our principle religious tenets were formed before we had proven basic scientific facts. I use the word "proven" instead of "knew" because vague references which sometimes correlate to actual scientific discovery are discounted. Without following the scientific method of systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypothesis, anything is just guess-work.

So I would politely beg to differ. I do not want to follow the tenets laid down by people who were ignorant about everything - from gravity, embryology, pathology, relativity, atoms, electricity, and so on. I would rather place my faith in me of science, who have given us most of what drives our life today. Without them, we would not be interacting on this forum, which is the most salient statement one can make, in my opinion.
 
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Islam as a deen was perfected for us, idols are idolatry and shirk

the monkey balls in the subcontinent has nothing to do with islam

dont talk to Muslims about evolution of idols
dont talk to Pakistanis about indus Civilization

So you are not at all interested to know more about Angels and Jinns ?
 
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There is free speech

Then there is comparing monotheistic Islam with idol worship from the subcontinent
You can choose not to respond. What you wrote seems like a definitive warning. The guy was posting pics and articles for heaven's sake, don't indulge if you don't like it.

Our principle religious tenets were formed before we had proven basic scientific facts. I use the word "proven" instead of "knew" because vague references which sometimes correlate to actual scientific discovery are discounted. Without following the scientific method of systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypothesis, anything is just guess-work.

So I would politely beg to differ. I do not want to follow the tenets laid down by people who were ignorant about everything - from gravity, embryology, pathology, relativity, atoms, electricity, and so on. I would rather place my faith in me of science, who have given us most of what drives our life today. Without them, we would not be interacting on this forum, which is the most salient statement one can make, in my opinion.
You are very courteous with the pseudo-science propagators. most of these tall claims of vedic science are laughable
 
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Our principle religious tenets were formed before we had proven basic scientific facts. I use the word "proven" instead of "knew" because vague references which sometimes correlate to actual scientific discovery are discounted. Without following the scientific method of systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypothesis, anything is just guess-work.

So I would politely beg to differ. I do not want to follow the tenets laid down by people who were ignorant about everything - from gravity, embryology, pathology, relativity, atoms, electricity, and so on. I would rather place my faith in me of science, who have given us most of what drives our life today. Without them, we would not be interacting on this forum, which is the most salient statement one can make, in my opinion.


Well we Indians, Arabs, Egyptians, Africans doesnt need to give explaination to others because when we share our vast religious experiences and the depth of the divine revelations, our nations are not being respected nor our faith in the Unseen , We all have faith in the Ghayab ( Unseen ) Isnt it ?

The habits of disrespecting our nations , Faith and religious traditions have let to the disharmony among nations. We are not less in anything and even Isa Ibne Maryam is not from White nations and this is the biggest truth. Anyone who disrespect us because of our skin color , are directing denying the second coming of Isa Ibne Maryam.
 
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So you are not at all interested to know more about Angels and Jinns ?

Sure, but you are just making shit up, making enormous leaps and connecting unconnected things between islam and Hinduism
 
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This kind of selective isolation is a classic defense mechanism that muslims are known to trigger whenever questioned about some ridiculous aspects of what they practice.
Are you seriously saying that Abu-Bakr couldn't recite the kalimah? Heck I can recite it.
Wahabis and salafis claim to be an authority on the religion and millions accept that.
As far as forcing of views and practices and organized religions is concerned, completely with you, it's not just hindus but no religion should do that.

Why the way do you know from which tribe Caliph Abu Bakr was ?
 
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Not at all , The idols inside Kaaba were the statues of humans which includes Bal e Shamim, Lat, Manat, Uzza and none were related to Indus Valley Civilization but majority of them were linked to Greek Civilization.

People of Indus Valley Civilization worship the Supreme Creator ( Ishwar, Param Paitha Parweshwar ) and for the Prophets of Abrahamic Faith the term use for the supreme Creator is Illah , Rabbul Alameen.

There are lot of similarities between Islam and the religion of Indus Valley Civilization when it comes to the Supreme Creator, Angels/Dev, Jinn/Asuras, Houris/Apsaras.

There are thousands of Angels in Islam and there are four important angels .

"The angels were created from light, the jinn were created from smokeless fire, and Aadam was created from that which has been described to you (i.e. in the Quran, which is clay)." [Muslim]

"The Messenger of Allah
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saw Jibreel in his true form. He had six hundred wings, each of which filled the horizon, and there were multi-coloured pearls and rubies falling from his wings."


"Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels messengers with wings - two, or three, or four (pairs) adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things." [35:1]

This is indicated by the conversation between Ibrahim, the "friend" of Allah, and the angels who visited him. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Then he turned quickly to his household, brought out a fatted calf, and placed it before them. He said, ‘Will you not eat?’ (When they did not eat), he conceived a fear of them. They said: ‘Fear not,’ and they gave him glad tidings of a son endowed with knowledge." [51:26-28]

Then Prophet Ishmael was born and Prophet Abraham sacrificed lamb instead of his son.


(1) Jibreel and (2) Mikail

"Say: Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel - for he brings down the (revelation) to your heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings to those who believe -
Whoever is an enemy to Allah, and His angels and prophets, to Jibreel and Mikail - Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject faith." [2:97-98]

(3) Israfil

From Abu Salamah ibn ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn ‘Awf, who said: "I asked ‘Aishah, the Mother of the Believers, about what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) used to start his prayer with when he got up to pray at night (qiyam al-layl). She said: ‘When he got up to pray at night, he would start his prayer (with the words): ‘O Allah, Lord of Jibreel, Mikail and Israfil, Creator of heaven and earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You are the Judge of the matters in which Your slaves differ; guide me with regard to disputed matters of truth by Your permission, for You guide whomever You will to the straight path.’" [Muslim].

(4) Malik

He is the Keeper of Hell, as Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): "They [the people in Hell] will cry: ‘O Malik! Would that your Lord put an end to us!’" [43:77]

(5) Munkar and (6) Nakeer

From Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ‘When the deceased is buried (or he said: when one of you is buried), there come to him two blue-black angels, one of whom is called Munkar and the other Nakeer.

(7) Haroot and (8) Maroot

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
". . . and such things as came down at Babylon to the angels Haroot and Maroot . . ." [2:102]
". . . and none can know the forces of your Lord, except He. And this is nothing other than a warning to mankind." [74:31]

Their powers
The angels have great powers given to them by Allah, including the following:

The ability to take on different forms. Allah has given the angels the ability to take on forms other than their own. Allah sent Jibreel to Maryam in the form of a man, as Allah says:
". . . Then We sent to her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects." [19:17]

Many other ahadeeth (report) refer to the angels taking human forms, such as the hadeeth (report) about the one who killed a hundred, in which it says ". . . there came to them an angel in human form . . ." and the hadeeth about the blind man, the bald man and the leper.

Their duties
Among the angels is one whose task it was to convey the revelation from Allah to His Messengers; this is al-Rooh al-Ameen, Jibreel, upon whom be peace. Allah says:

"Say: whoever is an enemy to Jibreel - for he brings down the (revelation) to your heart by Allah’s will. . . " [2:97]

"Which the trustworthy spirit has brought down,
Upon your heart, that you may be (one) of the warners." [26:193-194]

Another is responsible for rain, directing it wherever Allah wishes. This is Mikail, upon whom be peace. He has helpers, who do what he tells them, by the command of his Lord; they direct the winds and clouds, as Allah wills.

Another is responsible for blowing the Trumpet, which will be blown by Israfil at the onset of the Hour (the Day of Judgement).


Others are responsible for taking people’s souls: these are the Angel of Death and his helpers. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): "Say: ‘the Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls, then shall you be brought back to your Lord.’" [32:11] There is no proof in any saheeh hadeeth (authentic report) that his name is ‘Azrail.

Some of them are the keepers of Paradise. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"And those who kept their duty to their Lord will be led to Paradise in groups, till, when they reach it, its gates will be opened and its keepers will say: Salamun ‘alaikum (peace be upon you!). You have done well, so enter here, to abide therein." [39:73]

Some of them are the keepers of Hell, the "guards of Hell", whose number is nineteen and whose leader is Malik, upon whom be peace. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened. And its keepers will say, ‘Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves, - reciting to you the verses of your Lord, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?’ They will say: ‘Yes, but the word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!’" [39:71]

"Then, let him call upon his council (of helpers),
We will call the guards of Hell (to deal with him)!" [97:17-18]

"And what will make you know exactly what Hell-fire is?
It spares not (any sinner), nor does it leave (anything unburnt)!
Burning the skins!
Over it are nineteen (angels as guardians and keepers of Hell).
And We have set none but angels as guardians of the Fire, and We have fixed their number only as a trial for the disbelievers - in order that the People of the Scripture may arrive at a certainty and the believers may increase in faith . . ." [74:27-31]

"And they will cry: ‘O Malik (Keeper of Hell)! Let your Lord make an end of us.’ He will say: ‘Verily you shall abide forever.’" [43:77]

‘Allah has heard what your people said and how they responded to you. He has sent the Angel of the Mountains so that you can tell him to do to them whatever you want.’ The Angel of the Mountains called me and greeted me, then said: ‘O Muhammad, tell me what you want me to do. If you want, I can crush them between two mountains.’" The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "All I hope for is that Allah will bring forth from their loins people who will worship Allah alone and not associate any partner with Him." [al-Bukhari].



Yes. I agree with what you say.

As you may know Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) parent and grand parents died by the time he was 8 years old. His uncle (father brother) Abu Talib took care of him.

Later in his old age when Abu Talib was struggling financially after a severe drought. Muhammad decided to take charge of one of Abu Talib's children and he convinced al-'Abbas to do the same. They discussed this matter with Abu Talib, who asked that his favorite child 'Aqīl be left with him. Al-'Abbās chose Ja'far, and Muhammad chose 'Alī.

Hence Shias believed that Ali is the right person to inherit the legacy of Prophet Muhammad while Sunnis sided with the Umayyads.

This is the reason why Hindus fought in favour of Imam Hussain in the Battle of Karbala

Brahmins Fought for Imam Hussain in the Battle of Karbala

May 7, 2015 admin Hindu History 108

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Who are Dutt or Datt ?
They are Mohyal Brahmin clan from Punjab and Haryana. Dutts are the only warrior clan among the Brahmins. Majority of Dutts are Hindus but many follow other religions as well. They are 1 of the 7 clans of Mohyals who are Sarawat the 6 other clans are Bhimwal, Bali, Lau, Vaid, Chhibber and Mohan.
Gotra – Bhardwaj
They are descent from Rishi Bharadwaj, hence they derive their Gotra from his name. Dutts/Datts were classified as Martial Race in the British rule in India.
According to Pune’s hussaini Brahmins Punjabi immigrants, their ancestors fought alongside Imam Hussein in the battle of Karbala (now in modern Iraq).
Their community still observe Muharram with Muslims to remember the sacrifices of their ancestors who fought with Imam Hussein in the Battle of Karbala.As per the Punjabi Brahmin immigrants, since the Karbala battle in 680 AD, this community of around 500-member has taken the prefix of ‘hussaini’, and call themselves the Hussaini Brahmins.

As per the community members of Hussaini Brahmins 1 of their ancestors named Rahab dutt travelled all the way to Arabia to help his friend Imam Hussain. He fought war against Yazid along with his sons, all of his son were killed in the fierce battle of Karbala
The Imam, seeing Rahab dutt’s love for him, conferred upon him the title of Sultan and told him to return to India.
Rahab dutt came back and the community to which he belonged adopted the name, Hussaini Brahmins, signifying his close bond with Imam Hussain and the fact that they were Hindu Brahmins.
The Hussaini Brahmins, also known as Mohiyals came here from distant Punjab centuries ago and settled down to a quiet existence, most of them continuing the warrior tradition of their ancestors and joining the Army.
Colonel Ramsarup Bakshi (retd), a member of this community, told Pune Mirror that there certainly is an “element of surprise” when he introduces himself as a Hussaini Brahmin. “The employees in the factory I run now were taken aback when I told them about my community. ‘Asapan asta ka?’ (Is it so?) They exclaimed.” Bakshi said his community remains proud of its ancestral links to Imam Hussain, and they recall this bond on Ashura with great reverence. “We are a very, very small community in Pune, but this single piece of history is of seminal significance in our lives and binds us together, both Hindus and Muslims.”
Most importantly, Bakshi emphasised, “We symbolise the centuries-old bond shared by Hindus and Muslims in this part of the world.” Noted lawyer-activist Netraprakash Bhog, also a Hussaini Brahmin, said he is proud of his community. “Hussaini Brahmins hold a special place in the history of Islam. Our ancestors fought alongside Imam Hussain for the cause of truth and justice. We still cherish those sacrifices made by our community.”
Pune Mohiyal Samaj president, Jitendra Mohan, said, “Those like us who are Hindu Brahmins continue the martial tradition of our ancestors. Most of us are strongly built, with straight noses and face, and join the Army.”

Battle of Karbala


The battle of Karbala took place on the 10th day of Muharram in 680 AD in Karbala, now located in present day Iraq. On one side were supporters and relatives of Prophet’s grandson Hussain ibn Ali, while on the other side was a military detachment from the forces of Yazid I, the Umayyad Caliph. The Battle of Karbala is commemorated during an annual 10-day period held every Muharram by the Shi’a as well as many Sunnis, culminating on its tenth day, Ashura.

Imam Hussain and Rahib Datt


681 AD, The great battle of karbala (Iraq) was fought over the fate of Islamic Caliphate. The grandson of the Prophet through his daughter Fatima and her husband Imam Ali, came to help people of Kufa who invited him to save them from the oppressor Caliphate. The fierce battle was fought at Karbala where Hussein, his friends and his family members were encircled and left without food and water for days. This battle eventually led to the great schism in Islam between the Sunnis and the Shias.
Rahib Sidh Datt, a Hindu Saraswat Brahmin (a potentate of Datt sect )had close relation with the family of Muhammad & was was a highly respected figure in Arabia. He sacrificed his seven sons in the war of karbala.
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Hindu Brahmins Fought for Imam Hussain in the Battle of Karbala


When Ali ibn Abu Talib the son-in-law of Muhammad and 4th Caliph was murdered, later his elder son Hassan was murdered,The younger son of Ali, Hussain came out to stand against Yazid ibn Muawjyah (the new caliph).
The army of Yazid surrounded the force of Hussain consisting of mere They were a part of the entourage of 200 men and women, including 72 members of Hussain’s family (40 on foot and 32 on horseback).In the war where hardly any muslim came to help him Rahib Sidh Datt fought taking side of hussain and sacrificed his 7 sons in the ferocious war’ on the bank of river Euphrates and surrounded by a hostile desert. On the 7th day of Mohurrum, all hell broke out when 30,000 strong army sent by the tyrant Yazid from Mecca and other places, attacked them. 6,000 soldiers guarded the river bank to ensure that not a drop of water reached the Hussain’s thirsty innocents. By sunset of 10th (Ashoor), a Friday, all were dead including his son Ali Akbar (22), his step brother Abbas (32), daughter Skeena (4) and 6 months old infant Ali Asghar who was killed by an arrow while perched in his lap. Imam Hussain himself was slain with thirty three strokes of lances and swords by Shimr, the hatchet man of ignominious Yazid. Hussain was slaughtered in the desert on the 10th day of Muharram (Day of Ashura) along with his band of disciples in a bloody battle.
Rahib datt chased the murderers as they ran with the severed head of Hussein, up to Kufa. He retrieved the holy man’s head, washed it reverentially and then carried it to Damascus. According to legend, he was overtaken by Yazid’s men during his overnight shelter on the way. They demanded Hussain’s head from him: Rahab executed the head of one of his sons and offered to them. They shouted that it was not the Hussain’s head, then he beheaded his second son and they again yelled that it was not his. In this way Rahab executed the heads of his seven sons but did not part with the head of Imam Hussain. Later, after one year, the head was carried to Damascus and he was finally buried in karbala with rest of the body.
The valiant dutts and shia disciples of Imam Hussein did not lay down their arms till they saw the end of Yazid who could rule just for 40 days.
The intrepid Datts rallied round Amir Mukhtar, the chief of the partisans of Imam Hussain, fought with extraordinary heroism and captured and razed the fort of Koofa, seat of Yazid’s governor, Obaidullah, the Butcher. After scoring a resounding victory on the battlefield, they beat the drums and yelled out that they had avenged the innocent blood of Hussain shed at Karbala.
It is also significant to note that even before the Karbala incident, Hazrat Ali had entrusted the public exchequer to the regiment of the valiant Datts, at the time of the Battle of Camels fought near Basra.
The above provides impeccable evidence about the pragmatic role played by the Datt Mohyals in the catastrophe of Karbala.
Later on, when Sunnis let loose an orgy of vendetta on Shias and Datts (the followers of Rahib), who were mostly Hindu Saraswat Brahmins. Rahib was overwhelmed with grief due to the slaughter of his 7 sons, migrated to Afghanistan via Iran and Turkistan.
The datts left Arabia in 728 AD and returned to their motherland to settle at Dina Nagar, District Sialkot (vide Bandobast Report of Gujarat by Mirza Azam Beg page 422 and folk songs) and some drifted to as far as the holy Pushkar in Rajasthan.
Later descendants of Rahib had many clans (Kabilas) in modern day Afghanistan and NWFP. The clans were called Mohdaa. To this day, a group of Brahmins called Hussaini Brahmins claim ancestry from Rihab Sidh Datt and participate in Muharram celebrations in India.
After returning to India the descendants of Rahib Datt received grand welcome by the native Mohyals. They eventually settled near Nankana Sahib in the district of Sheikhupura in present-day Pakistan.
Many direct descendants of Rahib Dutt use last names such as Dutt, Datt, Sharma, Bharadwaj.

Interesting Stories Related to Datts/Mohyals/Dutts
Pir Wahun and Shiv Datt
• Shiv Datt – The chief of the Datts.
• Pir Wahun – a trickster chess player

Pir Wahun was known for his knack of consistently winning the games. According to a bet fixed by him, the loser would either pay the price with his head or embrace Islam. In this way, he converted a large number of Hindus to the Muslim faith until he met his match in Shiv Datt. Shiv Datt challenged the Pir to a game of chess and defeated him three times in a row, thereby claiming the heads of his wife and two sons as per the stakes. However out of sheer generousness, Shiv Datt pardoned their life. When Wahun came to know that one of the ancestors of Shiv Datt had sacrificed his 7 sons for the sake of Muhammad in the battle of Karbala, he took a solemn vow that in the future he would never convert any Hindu by coercion to Islam. It was on this occasion that the Pir echoed the famous words: Wah Datt Sultan, Hindu ka Dharam Musalman ka Iman Adha Hindu Adha Musalman (Hail, O King Datt for Thou are endowed with the Dharma of the Hindu and the Iman of the Muslim Half Hindu, half Muslim).
2nd Story

The story seems less reliable as per this story one of the wives of Imam Hussain, the Persian princess Shahr Banu, was the sister of Chandra Lekha or Mehr Banu, the wife of an Indian king called Chandragupta. When it became clear that Yazid was adamant on killing the Imam, the Imam’s son Ali ibn Hussain rushed off a letter to Chandragupta asking him for help against Yazid. When Chandragupta received the letter, he dispatched a large army to Iraq to assist the Imam. By the time they arrived, however, the Imam had been slain. In the town of Kufa, in present-day Iraq, they met with one Mukhtar Saqaffi, a disciple of the Imam, who arranged for them to stay in a special part of the town, which even today is known by the name of Dair-i-Hindiya or ‘the Indian quarter’.
Some Dutt Brahmins, under the leadership of one Bhurya Dutt, got together with Mukhtar Saqafi to avenge the death of the Imam. They stayed behind in Kufa, while the rest returned to India. Here they built up a community of their own, calling themselves Hussaini Brahmins, keeping alive the memory of their links with the Imam.

3rd Story

According to Jang Nama, written by Ahmed Punjabi, pages 175-176, it was ordained on the Shias to recite the name of Rahab in their daily prayer. At the time to the Karbala, fourteen hundred Hussaini Brahmins lived in Baghdad alone.

4th Story

Interestingly, in the Preface of his famous historical novel, titled Karbala, published in 1924 from Lucknow, Munshi Prem Chand has stated that the Hindus, who fought and sacrificed their lives in the holy war of Karbala, are believed to be the descendants of Ashvathama. This clearly establishes their link with the Datts who consider Ashvathama as an ancestor of their clan.

5th Story

An ancestor of Rahab named Sidh Viyog Datt assumed the title of Sultan and made Arabia (old name Iraq) his home. He was a tough and tenacious fighter. He was also known as Mir Sidhani. He was a worshipper of Brahma. He was the son of the stalwart Sidh Jhoja (Vaj) who was a savant and saint and lived in Arabia (Iraq) around 600 AD.

The lady warrior among Mohyals


Karmu Mai Dattani the lady warrior, shortly before the rule of Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1783–1839), Jai Singh, a saraswat Brahmin, was the head of the Kanhaiya Misl in Amritsar. The Misls were later consolidated by Maharaja Ranjit Singh into the army of the Sikh Kingdom of the Punjab, when he became the Maharja of the province after capturing Lahore in 1799. Jai Singh appointed Mai Karmo as the chief of the Katra branch of the Kanhaiya Misl. The intrepid lady held her court in the open, in a jostling market square in Amritsar which is known by her name till today: Karmo Ki Deod. She was a terror to local ruffians and used to administer justice without any fear or favour. She once took part in a battle wearing the coat of arms. The seal of her high office is believed to be still in the possession of her progeny.

This below poem was written by Labi-Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E-Turfa who lived in Arabia around 1850 B.C. This verse can be found in Sair- Ul-Okul which is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It was compiled in 1742 AD under order of the Turkish Sultan Salim.


- "Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha
minar HIND-e
Wa aradakallaha
manyonaifail jikaratun"

"Oh the divine land of HIND (India)
(how) very blessed art thou!
Because thou art the chosen
of God blessed with knowledge"

"Wahalatijali Yatun ainana sahabi
akha-atun jikra Wahajayhi yonajjalur
-rasu minal HINDATUN "

"That celestial knowledge which like
four lighthouses shone in such
brilliance - through the (utterances of)
Indian sages in fourfold abundance."

"Yakuloonallaha ya ahal araf alameen
kullahum"
Fattabe-u jikaratul VEDA bukkun
malam yonajjaylatun"

"God enjoins on all humans,
follow with hands down
The path the Vedas with his divine
precept lay down."

"Wahowa alamus SAMA wal YAJUR
minallahay Tanajeelan
Fa-e-noma ya akhigo mutiabay-an
Yobassheriyona jatun"

"Bursting with (Divine) knowledge
are SAM &YAJUR bestowed on creation,
Hence brothers respect and
follow the Vedas, guides to salvation"

"Wa-isa nain huma RIG ATHAR nasayhin
Ka-a-Khuwatun
Wa asant Ala-udan wabowa masha -e-ratun"

"Two others, the Rig and Athar teach us
fraternity, Sheltering under their
lustre dispels darkness till eternity"


Umar-Bin-E-Hassham was also a famous Meccan poet and one of his poems can be found in the Sair- Ul-Okul


Kafavomal fikra min ulumin Tab asayru
Kaluwan amataul Hawa was Tajakhru
We Tajakhayroba udan Kalalwade-E Liboawa
Walukayanay jatally, hay Yauma Tab asayru
Wa Abalolha ajabu armeeman MAHADEVA
Manojail ilamuddin minhum wa sayattaru
Wa Sahabi Kay-yam feema-Kamil MINDAY Yauman
Wa Yakulum no latabahan foeennak Tawjjaru
Massayaray akhalakan hasanan Kullahum
Najumum aja- at Summa gabul HINDU

The man who may spend his life in sin
and irreligion or waste it in lechery and wrath
If at least he relent and return to
righteousness can he be saved?
If but once he worship Mahadeva with a pure
heart, he will attain the ultimate in spirituality.
Oh Lord Shiva exchange my entire life for but
a day's sojourn in India where one attains salvation
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But one pilgrimage there secures for one all
merit and company of the truly great.


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Yes. I agree with what you say.

As you may know Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) parent and grand parents died by the time he was 8 years old. His uncle (father brother) Abu Talib took care of him.

Later in his old age when Abu Talib was struggling financially after a severe drought. Muhammad decided to take charge of one of Abu Talib's children and he convinced al-'Abbas to do the same. They discussed this matter with Abu Talib, who asked that his favorite child 'Aqīl be left with him. Al-'Abbās chose Ja'far, and Muhammad chose 'Alī.

Hence Shias believed that Ali is the right person to inherit the legacy of Prophet Muhammad while Sunnis sided with the Umayyads.

This is the reason why Hindus fought in favour of Imam Hussain in the Battle of Karbala

Incorrect because Prophet Muhammed Pbuh appointed Caliph Abu Bakr R.A.A as Caliph during his life time and Prophet Muhammed Pbuh offered Prayers behind Caliph Abu Bakr R.A.A before his demise.
 
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I disagree with you here because the early sages of Indus valley Civilization Maha Rishi Agastya, Atri, Bhardwaja, Gautam, Jamadagni, Vashista and Visvamitra use to sit and do meditation and chant the name of the Supreme Creator.

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That was in the kritya yuga and treta yuga, for Kali Yuga Temple worship is recommended.

Which is why temples in India are from 5000 years , i.e. start of the Kali yuga.
 
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You are very courteous with the pseudo-science propagators. most of these tall claims of vedic science are laughable

Vedas do explain about ours ancestors and more about Dev Lok and even regarding Asuras and indeed Vedas are the first divine revelation from the Supreme Creator.

That was in the kritya yuga and treta yuga, for Kali Yuga Temple worship is recommended.

Which is why temples in India are from 5000 years , i.e. start of the Kali yuga.

Seems you are talking about Ayodhya ? Isnt it ?
 
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You are very courteous with the pseudo-science propagators. most of these tall claims of vedic science are laughable

Several of them are courteous as well. Just that the conversation can descend into acrimony pretty quickly.
 
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Seems you are talking about Ayodhya ? Isnt it ?

Not particularly.

Kali yuga started from 18 February , 3102 BC. All temple constructions are from from that day onwards. Before that, there were no temples.
 
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